*thomas*

I don't want to troll this thread, but just my toughts on the 12v system. I grew up as a kid in the 90s, a time when the 9v system was mainstream but 12v was cheap to buy second-hand (30€ for 7750, 50€ for 7740 are just a few examples). I persisted with the 12v system until my darkages 15 years ago, but have since sold all my 12v track and the majority of the motors and have switched to 9v and PF. The brittle rails drove me nuts and the track has a very narrow geometry. So, my advice, put the tracks and motors in storage and convert the trains to PF (or 9V) and enjoy them at least as much.

Very interesting thread. Thanks for sharing all the info.

Why? If this was the solution, LEGO should stop producing sets aimed at AFOL's and only sell bricks...

We all know LEGO will not do this... And that is what bugs me. They give us a great set, but it is what it is. A great set to LOOK at. If you have a huge collection of bricks and lots of time, you can moc...

We all know how this would end: someone buys three copies and sells 2 locomotives to keep the rolling stock. No, not exactly. When these locomotives were put in service, they were used for freight. 100 years ago, goods trains could consist out of multiple cars. A box car, flatbed and tanker wagon would be enough. Märklin has some sort of starter set: It's not only practice, it's time. I have so many other things on my mind and to do around the house that I just want to enjoy building something.

It's a forum, people give their opinion and if someone doesn't share that same opinion, they see it as if the other is complaining. It's not like everything LEGO makes is sprinkled with fairy dust and I have to agree 100% with the product they deliver... I'm one off those who is reluctant to buy this set even tought I love trains and ADORE swiss trains. Why? Because it's a locomotive, just a single locomotive. I doesn't fit with any of the other trains LEGO has made, nor can you use rolling stock from the city line, it would look silly. If LEGO thinks an asking price of 170 'whatever' for a city train is good, then sure they could've added some rolling stock to this one as well. Yes, we can MOC our own rolling stock, but I'm not a good MOC'er, nor do I want to buy rolling stock from third parties. What do I have to do with a single locomotive? Put it on my desk? Why? To gather dust? To look at? The problem is we never know what LEGO is up to. If they would - let's say - make one every other year (like with the cars) and give people something to collect, it would already be a whole different story... They have sold single locomotives in the past BUT in that same era they also sold rolling stock to add. They've done this in EVERY era in which trains were important to them and have stopped doing so right after the MOT (my own train) and Sanra Fe/BNSF era. Why? Because it didn't sell or because it didn't sell ENOUGH (it's a retorical question). You can't tell me that they would've done this for 40 years ('70s, '80s, '90s, '00s) if it didn't work out... (= make profit). The fact they don't add PU/PF and track is a good thing.

I know, but the lego one is based on the obb version.

4551 was based on the obb 1020

It's not that I'm not happy, I just don't understand their choice to stick to just a locomotive. The emerald night had a coach, the maersk had 2 pcs of rolling stock, the horizon express was a proper train, altough you had to buy 2 copies. But this is just a locomotive... TLG makes all the cool creator cars (mini, camper, F40...) so unless they do the same with trains, it's a weird choice from them.

Nice, yes, but silly. The CE6/8 was used for heavy freight. Hence, if they would have included three 2 axle goods wagons, it would've made sense...

Very cool for train fans, but why didn't they just make a whole train? I'm sure AFOL would spend 170 USD / € / GBP on this train if it included some rolling stock. Still, very pleased TLG is making this set.

Those friends sets - once again - look amazing. I understand they are aimed at girls, but I don't understand why LEGO doesn't make this theme more gender-neutral. IMHO, friends and city should be able to merge. The friends sets come with realistic vehicles, nice scenery, real-life buildings etc. City, well ...

Not the answer you're looking for, but can't you just use one motor?

But, the 1997 was way better. The main ship looks like an unfinished set (crane, mini sub)... I guess I'll just have to dig out my old divers sets :).

Dear TLG, which part about airPORT don't you get? It's about the port, not the plane. 30 years ago, they understood this: Loving this nice little deatil tough...