DonRamon1981

Hi all. Today at ZDF Info was a documentary about Edward Teach a.k.a. Captain Blackbeard and his, the most famous pirate ship of all Queen Anne's Revenge. Here are some pictures I took and some historical facts that are really interesting: Everybody know the flag of the skeleton hitting a heart already posted in another topic. Edward Teach was an English Pirate from Bristol. Very democratic mind, he planned to attack slave ships as they been big and fast on the famous routes he knew for years. He was able to capture a French slave ship called LeConcorde. He kept only 60 slaves (from 560) for his Crew the rest was left alive without any injuries. He changed the name to Queen Anne's Revenge (he was Catholic that explains the name of that time) The US found the ship in the 90s in front of North Carlolinas Coast and are examing it heavily taking cannons and other stuff from the ship wreck. They also said there are more fairy tails about pirate than facts, showing the first pirate book from England from 1724 that has more fiction than facts, but inspired all of our, Legos and Hollywood imagination of how pirates was, that is why black flags are more common in our mind than the original red. In the Golden Age the pirates used already more the black flags. Captain Blackbeard was known for his burning cigars and stuff inside of his beard and hair when Attacking, looking like the devil himself to avoid battles. 99% of his attacks being without battle, and like capturing LeConcorde he let everybody alive without an injury. He allegedly did not kill a single man in his whole life. The book of 1724 had supringsingly a lot of true facts at least about Captain Bleackbeard, who had the biggest part in the book and is documented as having one or the biggest pirate ship ever with the Queen Anne's Revenge. Most books or novels say he had 40 to 50 guns on board. In fact it was 28, found on the wreck. Also typical for that time to exxagarate a lot. The cannons was even still loaded, they used a lot of other stuff inside than just cannon balls, because they did not shot to sink the cargo ships they attacked the sails to stop them. He wanted to hide and get away from the British navy by going close the coast of North Carolina, where he accedently (not like reported by some crew members by purpose) wrecked his ship on a sand bank. photo hosting photo hosting photo hosting photo hosting photo hosting photo hosting photo hosting photo hosting photo hosting photo hosting photo hosting photo hosting You can see on the pictures of the reconstruction of the ship that it was way smaller especially at the back than that one from Pirates of the Caribbean. And the load cannons what they found inside, the metal sticks that was shot to destroy the sails. The anchor was found far away from the ship as they tried to get away, an usual move if you wrecked in low waters. Also all the cannons was moved to middle and back of the ship to get it out, unsuccessful. The canons being loaded because they tried to get through that bay without being spotted by the British Navy, as Carlina being an British Colony back than, and the British Navy notoriously fighting piracy in 1718. The only chance to survive would be to destroy their sails and sail away if the Navy would spot him.

...I have a really important question. I made my ship ready to take it to Lego Ideas but one thing is missing, sails and the big Redcoat Flag... even when I import pallet from existing sets, it works but the sails still won't be shown, I mean zero sails not from actual sets that I import and not from pirate sets I import. How can I get them into that I can't take it there without... As many of you are using this program, I am using it for a few days now. I appreciate your help. I don't everything like my MOC Renegade Caravel, it's not complicated at all. But serious parts missing make me going crazy... :-(

Hi all... Again and again I see how many people think the flag of the Brickbeard's Bounty is looking childish unrealistic... But the opposite is the case! The famous jolly Roger was only one flag not more often used than other pirates flags, just became famous because of the entertainment industry. As I studied and am studying history all my life as it is a big passion if mine. Pirates had even more childish or strange flags than most of you can imagine... I took some pictures of my history books for y'all, with some informations many of you maybe did not know... Most pirate flags was... RED! Exactly. Black came in a short period in the Caribbean during the Golden Age of Pirates. The name "Jolly Roger" came from French and meant: Joli Rouge (beautiful red!) Yes Jolly Roger is a red flag in original, and the most common pirate flag was this, looks like y'all hated Brickbeards Flag just in red: But if some think that is strange or childish... look what kind of pirate flags really was shown during the Golden Age: The more real flags you search in history books, the more you realise... childish crazy flags was the normal thing, with that what you all know as Jolly Roger, was just use by a few. So by flags... The more childish crazy or whatever it looks like, that is realistic! So in this case Brickbeard's Flag is way more realistic than any other Lego Pirate Flags....! But mostly the pirates went to represent their countries flag. As most pirates has been British, the had the English, later British Flag on, just revealing the pirate flag before the attack came. The goal was to come close to the other ship. Ok, the next thing probably most of you already knew. Pirates never had big ships, big guns and never fought or won against war ships (not alone... together with other nations warships yes but then they was already equipped by the official navy). The reason why pirates never had big ships, big canons and even pistols been rare is quite simple. Big canons or big ships has been just way too expensive and really hard to buy if you was a regular guy, for a pirate it was really hard. Just a handful of cannons had been taken from destroyed warships after wars between nations. But that was a handful of cannons for the pirates in hundred of years. But the most important thing is they did not even want to have that. Big cannons makes you slower, need expensive cannon balls, and destroys the other ships. And that's what pirates always tried to avoid. They want to rob the trade ships not sunk them, cause then all the gold or whatever they carry is lost forever, in that times. Did you know that pirates captain's been elected and had only total command during battles? Did you know that kids and women was not allowed on pirate ships (As some exceptions by some rare lady pirates but that been historical exceptions).... so a child on board like Will in the story of the Golden Medaillion... never been like that. The captain being a dictator commanding his Crew also off the ship? Impossible. But now we come to the battles... As like you already know pirates had small ships without cannons, you know how they made their battles? That is the most interesting part in my opinion. They went with their homeland flag as close as they could get to the trade ship. Then? Revealing the pirate flag they screamed, after crazy all kind of things to just scare the others... and then it was two possible ways: The Crew of the trade ship immediately surrenders, nobody will be harmed, nobody will be injured or killed. The pirates will take the goods and go away. Often people who was treated bad on ships just moved on with the pirates. Doctors and stuff being taken if needed. If a ship wanted to fight off the pirates.... Then it get really bad! The small cannons was just there to destroy the sails of the trade ships, then they had to enter it. They had some real scary tactics. They thrown with their small cannons often something like ninja stars, don't know the English name, here is a picture from one of the books: That was a real scary weapon. The whole deck was full of that, and even if you had shoes on you got seriously injured by stepping on it. The pirates practiced to fight not stepping on that. Even the trade ships had mostly been bigger than pirate ships. But the decision of fight or not, was also a decision of life or death. If a ship decided to fight, the pirates left No survivors! That was a strict rule to motivate future ships to give all goods surrendering immediately and surviving without harm. So 99% of all pirate routes had been like that, the people just immediately surrender to not get killed. It worked. Because some trade ships had cannons and could fight, it wasn't sure that the pirates would win every battle against trade ships, so it was a win win for both sides to surrender... How did the pirates stop... well I read about a lot of famous pirates. Edward Teach "Blackbeard", he put some fired cigars and other stuff in his hairs before a attack... like you heard, being or looking scary was more important than anything else... his end? An English Warship in 1718 (he was aged 38) One of the most successful pirates in history: Bartholomew Roberts, in various books it says he attacked between 300 and 400 ships successfully. His End... an English Warship... The very few female pirate captains... Anne Bonny and Mary Read? You know already the End came in 1721. Other famous pirates just been taken to duty for the navy or government and guess what, started to fight piracy! Like Henry Morgan, a classical pirate against Spanish trade ships he became Vice Gouvernor of Jamaica for the British and was a hardliner then against piracy. (I think everybody knows about Sir Francis Drake so I let him out as he was way before that golden age) That Golden Age was a real short period. It "started" in the beginning of the 18th century (1700) being already over between 1720 and 1725. The British realised piracy harms their trade and as sometime the trade really was struck and almost stopped, the British end that golden age very quick. By the way also an interesting fact. Do you think the big warships fired to the pirates? The real big warships did not waste expensive cannon balls for that, they often just rammed them. Smaller Warships had to fight them but also that being a problem and the end for most pirate ships that could not flew quick enough. I know in an age where Lego is making big pirate ships (ok in 1980s and 90s) and Pirates of the Caribbean showing big pirate ships fighting British war ships too... most of that is more unrealistic than it's ever get. The romantic approach of Pirates simply never been. But that was just pirates in the Caribbean in the Golden Age, most pirates was really different. Line the Islamic pirates in the middle sea, the Vikings had pirates too. Piracy has need mostly been a supported part for warfare to weaken the enemy by hitting their Trade ships or support warships too, pirates had excellent navigation skills and been great sailors. Maybe some of you liked the read about real pirates. I love to read history, as I think the most interesting and funny things real happen in real life... and most of that being a show they already been good actors just to scare, to rob without fighting. (Captain Blackbeard, real name Edward Teach 1680 - 1718)

That's really interesting. Looking forward what they answered. For MOC Building this is a really great addition.

Thx this sounds good. I will test that on the weekend. Thank you

For those who are interested in Queen Anne's Revenge as his name for the ship... Queen Anne was the last Queen from the Stuart Family, it was the last Catholic Monarch and the first of Great Britiain (Act of Union from 1707). The war of Spanish Succession, in the Caribbean Era also called Queen Anne's War. Captain Edward Teach was fighting for the British from Jamaica. When Queen Anne died in 1714, the Hanover Family took over the British Crown and from now on all Catholics was banned from being British Monarchs. The new King, George I. spoke German and French and wasn't very popular inside the Empire. The pirates that fought officially side by side with British Warship vs the Spanish wasn't took into the Navy like in 1588 after the Spanish Armada was destroyed... no this King declared them pirates again... also Edward Teach. So Teach became pirate called Blackbeard and felt traitored by the Crown and how the Stuarts was banned from the Crown. So when he captured LeConcorde he took the name Queen Anne's Revenge for the name of his new ship...

I have sails now but doesn't matter how I change the masts or whatever I do, I can not get them fixed on the ship. They are hanging around in the air or somewhere else, but never to the mast... I tried to do everything with every Technic I know from Lego sailing ships, but no chance to get them there...

Ok I will start to search for that with the Parts Designer. I have the program a few days but have my ship already finished, just without the sails. The one I need would be sailbb17 (lego part number), and yep I found already the database and ebery sail parts is missing in the file. I will try that and get back here ;-) Thank you

Ok then my bad sorry. Then I have no critic on your ship. ;-)

Wow... I can print also uniforms on Mini Figs there, thank you I will definitely have to try that

Still looking at your MOC as it is one of my favourites here... just wanted to give extra props again. Really nice build

Maybe some of the people here can make that? I would pay for that!

Back to topic but now without any historical reference so I don't know where this flag really comes from, but it's my favourite pirate flag right now in original red, I would love to have that as the Caravel will be back to a pirate ship for playing this flag would be awesome... ...and without Football i would love the Buccaneers Flag too

I am changing my plans.. it rather changing the colour scheme. As it was done in black and yellow already a hundred times, I will change the colour scheme to black and tan. I ordered some ran parts for the self made masts like in my Caravel. So as I wanna do it as a playable set for my son it can't be really bigger than the Flagship from 2010 as it is still my son's favourite ship but very fragile to play for a 6 year old. As the real Victory got a yellow type tan rather than strictly tell that should work too. I replace the yellow elements on the back with pearl gold I will have to buy too, but as this project is a long term I got time. Like i said I will already have everything for the masts the next days, I will see how this will progress later into the ship. P.S. i don't like the black and yellow type in the Lego Ship as it reminds me too much of my Black Seas Barracuda.. miss that so have to buy a very beautiful and playable ship out of it.

Hi all. This question is for the experienced MOC Builders. As I am 38 having a bunch of 80s Bricks, I don't want to buy too much additional bricks. My son badly wants his and mine favourite ship, build not bigger than the Flagship... it's the famous HMS Victory. The difficulty is like in my Renegade Caravel Moc to build a playable ship, that a 5-6 year old can play too. So most of the big MOC are way too big, I need to make the model smaller. I already know that I will make one hull part more than he Barracuda, and not higher or bigger than the Flagship. So one canon row and one or maximum two floors by the cabin is enough for the model. I don't want to destroy my Flagship, it has not the right colours anyway, the BSB have exactly the black and yellow coloured type of pieces that I need. As my son don't have any emotional relations to the BSB, it's far away from being his favourite ship. So I am the only one at home to be hurt when the BSB will be changed - a clear sign that my second favourite ship behind the Flagship is just because it was the first big one Lego released during my time, I was 8 when Lego released the pirate theme in 1989. My question for help is if you have any suggestions how I still can make the back and the complicated front in a way the ship doesn't become too big... Thanks for your help. When I will be doing it there will be a MOC Thread of course

Something diffefent from another era, really like that one. Do yiu have more pictures, from different angles?

The only thing I don't like is the lifebelt you have hanging there, as they haven't been part and especially not like that designed, of ships equipment during the 19th century... There have been some cork vests during Trafalgar Battle (1805) but that was still a way different form of what we use today... so you are using a vests clearly not appeared before he 20th century on ships. I like the rest, great build, wonderfully detailed. I doesn't care about missing curves as for me it looks really nice how it is

Yeah you right, also the first BasketballTeam Logos looked... well judge yourself (sorry for off topic) ...Just because we think today it looks childish, it maybe didn't back then. We don't need to get back too long, look at these, in my opinion really bad logos from aome NBA teams or childish funny (the Nuggets logo....)

P.S. the description tells you why it is so hard to collect real Pirate History, as there are just very few real history books but a lot of fictional and romantic stuff that got nothing to do with the real history. And the pirates themselves mostly couldn't write so there are almost no documents from pirates in history. I am sorry for being like that to y'all as it is easier when you studied that stuff to know where to get proper sources from as I had to learn how to do that. Sometimes I am just in a bad mood as family life and work are going to fulfil mostly of my time - so sorry again for being arrogant calling you lazy I am sorry also that I don't have sources in English. ...as the British Empire has been the biggest Drug Dealer in history, I can provide you with historical documents from National Geographic about that, if someone's interested.

I told Darnok the place where you can buy that books, it's academic history books provided by the government for education. This is just one of them, but like in history, neef to read all books from that era as there is no specific piraracy books like with history if countries, Sea Powers and Colonial Empires. Maybe I start to scan the books one day (I don't know if that's legal?) But it's really a lot. I would recommend the history of British Empire a lot as they brought piracy to an abrupt end, with a lot of real interesting stories additional to it (like he Opium Wars during the 19th century, when Britain beat China with a handful of their warships, humiliating them with the "unfair contracts" to allow... OPIUM Dealing in China by the British!!!) Yeah the biggest drug dealer in history was the British Empire... Sorry again for the off topic, history is just crazy sometimes. That's one but it's way bigger as piracy in the Caribbean was just a very short era https://m.bpb.de/apuz/149607/schrecken-der-ozeane-eine-kurze-globalgeschichte-der-piraterie

I posted pictures from history books and did not quote will nonsense. Typical internet... do what you wanna do I stop posting any historical documents because y'all want to believewhat you want anyway. Stop trolling on the internet and go to a real library. P.S. for Darnok as he is from Berlin, you can visit Bundeszentrale für Politische Bildung here. History books from all eras for good price, there you can read all real historical documents. For all other, I won't waste my time anymore

Sorry but historical facts and opinions are two different things. But like I said do what you want and believe what you want. I provided facts from real history, if you still want to believe some different it's up too you. Doesn't change how history was anyway. For me this discussion is over cause it's senseless in my eyes then;-)

There ate pictures from history books, painted as there was no photos back then there are paintings. And sorry but nothing wrong with Wikipedia? Wikipedia everybody writes whatever they want As everybody is able to edit that and wrote. No university or colleague will allow you to use this as reference that's a fact! And also the other facts, I picked the black flags from the Golden Age, but like I said you can believe that the earth is flat too, provided historical facts and if y'all try to quote Wikipedia... sorry for you but doesn't change any historical facts by you don't believing it. I am not here to teach, like I said if you did not study history and if you not willing to search in libraries and real history books it's on not my problem. You can believe what you want ;-)

Really cool, didn't know that

I explained what kind of "history" books causes problems because they aren't history books. You quoted from a novel about pirates hat had zero truth, actually that flag by attack or not thing is same legend with zero truth in it like the Muhlenberg thing that German almost became official language in the US. Also there people can refer "history books" that was written there. But if you are not able or not willing to search what kind of refernece is actual history reference and which a simple legends novels and other stuff... go on like I said, you can also believe that the earth is flat, there are books about it too! Same like with the other it doesn't change the fact that it's simply not true. And if you are not willing to really invest time and money to do research on yourself, yes than I rather call you lazy because I still think you a smart person. ...P.S. I had similar problems before I learned how to recognize what are references that I can use and what not. Novels, Wikipedia, and all kind of stuff are simple not reference. It is that when you use them as reference in any kind of university or college work you immediately fail. So I think yeah you are smart but did not research enough what kind of references are usable and actually history and what are legends novels or other stuff ;-) Like I said. Before i learned how to do it I was ok with the inofs I read somewhere and believed it...