ackling or getting on the attackers' run is not the only way to get a ball back. We must also know how to anticipate and get on the trajectory of the ball in order to be able to chip it . It requires a certain vista of the game, but it is very far from being complicated. It is enough to observe the movement of the players around the wearer of the ball and to fix his or her game in the right place. Here again, R2 is used to move rapidly and L2 once positioned for rapid reaction . In addition, placing his ur defence on a trajectory may cause the attacker to take risks and thus lose the ball. QED.
So these are the three basic rules that I have been for several days now and it works pretty well. I am not saying that this is the best way to play well and defend , but at the moment it is quite effective and I think I will continue in that direction. Unless you give me better advice in the comments.