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  1. Pandora

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    You're welcome. I lurk in this topic from time to time, and I knew we had the tag - it seemed like an excellent match. Congratulations on your great work on the show.
  2. Well, I said if you were scum you deserved the win @Darkdragon well played, and thank you to you and @Lind Whisperer for stepping in and keeping the game going. It was awesome of both of you to do that. I think that was my first @Bob game; thanks for hosting Bob, and thanks for letting me play. @KotZ it's possible you might think I have some vendetta against you (you might not think that, I dunno) but I can honestly assure you I don't. I felt super bad going after you two games in a row, and even worse when you came back town, sorry man. @Hinckley you get to keep the ice tray and at least I wrote you a play. Wanna go halves on some therapy? Good game everyone. I don't think I have the time and energy to play the next game, but I think maybe @Rufus might be interested.
  3. Oh yay, another wall of text from Deanna. I'm not going to answer everything in your endless, waffley, scummy ravings, but I have a couple of points: ... you still go on about it. You've danced up and down about me being certain and definite and it turns out I'm not and I wasn't. But you still waffle on about how I might be. ...Yeah WIFOM alert, but.... wouldn't I be more careful if I were scum TM Deanna Troi Ah, so going back and looking at things in more detail is actually acceptable, despite you trying to paint it as unacceptable when I do it. You voted to extend the day first, what do you want? A medal? You don't vote to extend the day on your own, and I voted just the same: Day Six - Deanna, Riker Day Five - Deanna, Picard, Wesley (I even put them in chronological order) Day Four - Deanna, Wesley, Picard, Forg Day Three - Deanna, Forg, Wesley, Riker Day Two - Deanna, Wesley, Forg, Picard, Data Day One - Deanna, Data, Wesley, Geordi, Picard I didn't bother today because I didn't need to because it had already been achieved. Like I said, it didn't matter to you whether you prevented the night kill or not as long as you weren't the one being lynched. One dead townie is as good as another for you! You still haven't responded about your blatant lies about me being involved with the end of Day Three. I do indeed want Riker's vote to stay on you, because I think you are scum and I know I am town, and I have considered Riker a million times (ok, maybe slight exaggeration there, but still) and on balance I don't think he's anywhere near as scummy as you are. I don't know how many times I need to say this.
  4. I'm just going to requote myself here: Deanna, can you count? "The fact that Riker.... and the actions of Picard... in conjunction with Data... well, that's one definite town and two likely townies." The definite townie is Data, because he's dead and confirmed to be town, something I didn't know he was until after he died, unlike you. The two likely townies are Riker and Picard (oh lookie here, I'm talking about Riker!) and then I say I know I'm town, and I thought you were up until then, so that's what made me think it must be Forg. No definite ideas about any living players and a natural and logical evolution of ideas. I've mentioned Riker plenty, and I've mentioned why I don't think Riker is scum and why I do think you are. Saying the opposite doesn't make it true. I've said that I think Riker is playing a great town game and that if he really is scum then he absolutely deserves the win. I've even already mentioned it today, and I've mentioned it on previous days. I'm looking at your words because you are the one who is arguing with me and the one who I think is scum. I've been talking about events from previous days, Day One and Day Three immediately spring to mind as other days I have mentioned already today, but I've looked at all of them today, so yes, I am looking outside of your words and outside of today. I've been talking about all sorts of other players when relevant, but sadly they are gone now and I'm here arguing with you. This isn't cruising it's exasperating, and I think I'm doing more than "just enough". Neither am I. It makes about as much as me saying that you saying "hardcore" pings me too. Which is no sense, in case I'm not being clear. You're saying my behaviour isn't consistent with what? Previous games? That's pretty much the definition of metagaming right there. And I have certainly had my doolally moments with crazy theories before, but even so, what's the harm in speculation? And once again, you think I'm scum because you think I'm scum and I'm not playing the way you think town Wes would play. What game would I be trying to figure out if it's all so obvious? I have, however, made huge efforts to find the second scum, whilst simultaneously having to argue with virtually everyone about why I am actually town and not scum. Not "flowing" and "stilted" my arse. Your posts have been full of so much extraneous crap and waffle you have confused things far more than clarified them. This is breathtaking. I have had intermittent suspicions of you since Day One, but as is normal they have waxed and waned and are interpreted relative to one's suspicions of others. You're saying I should have been just as suspicious of you on Day One as I am of you now? I bring this up now because it's in the context of me believing more strongly you are scum, and I have to find someone suspicious because there's a remaining scum to find (and thinking there isn't a remaining scum to find is, apparently, crazy, and I've stated several times that I find you scummier than Riker). You're basically describing me having a theory, that theory being tested and proved wrong and me going back to find another theory that fits better with the new information available. You're saying I'm town, thank you. Well, you said yourself that one of your best points for showing your "towniness" was how you saved the town from you killing them at night by killing them in the day. You weren't planning on coming back to that? You're not going to answer the bit where you lied about me being involved with the end of Day Three? Me too. Yet here we are.
  5. Except I am and I have been considering the possibility Riker might be scum, and consistently on balance you come out much scummier. Nobody has ever been solidly in any column, and I've made plenty of comments on my views of Riker. Riker's very first post, when it wasn't even this Riker, was to come in and reassess the situation and vote in a completely different direction when, if Riker were scum, he would have known his team-mate was about to be lynched and would want to blend in with the crowd and be on that bandwagon. You, on the other hand, voted for Bev immediately when you saw something super-scummy (and that explanation is a fudge) and apparently completely didn't notice that Forg had voted, no sirree sir, because if you did acknowledge that Forg had voted first you realise it would lend a lot of weight to us realising you bussed your team-mate. Well, I think I've just responded to a lot of this: I haven't put anyone in any definite anything, so I don't know where you're getting this from. Is this one of those things where you think if you say it often enough people will actually believe you? And I have said that pretty much everyone has voted for me at one point or another, so yes the people I've suspected have voted for me. I have indeed suspected people, raised my suspicions and made cases and voted accordingly. That really is actually how "to play a game where our only tool is our vote". You keep talking about Day Three and how it was insane, and you are neurotic about it and it makes you cringe. Riker, just go back and read what happened (if you haven't already) and you will see for yourself. In a game where multiple people have voted for me on multiple days, almost anybody I make a case against could be described as such. I have a natural tendency, and I know I am not alone in this, to suspect people who try very hard to get me lynched, when I know I am Town. Call that elaborate OMGUS if you want, but you yourself have pointed out that we don't have night actions to inform us, we must go by the information that's posted in the threads. You have bemoaned the fact that you can't lynch me on your own, even though you have often left it to others to front the charge. You follow them with a hand-wringing exercise of "it probably is, but it might not, but yes you're right it is". I can't lynch people on my own either, as it happens. I have been out making cases, pushing forwards and not hedging my bets like you, but I am not responsible for other people's votes, and I certainly don't hold as much sway as you do. You can ridicule me for this if you want, but I don't think pouring scorn on someone for thinking is helpful. Maybe it's obvious to you, and you don't need to consider how the game works. You have certainly come up with crazy hypotheses in previous games. If you really think it's silly, that's fine, you can just say that, but it seems absurd to accuse me of being scum for it. Ok, I've said it before and I'll say it again and try to make it clearer: Forg the Mighty (no sarcasm) made a case for Bev that consisted of what seemed like three things - a) the comment about bad logic, b) needlessly voting to extend the day and c) voting for an absent player (Riker). The comment about bad logic does not appear to be the thrust of the accusation, what with the jokey "Wut? OMG it was a trap! " from Forg, and yet somehow, without reading Forg's post, you picked up on the "bad logic" comment and immediately just had to vote for him before doing anything else. And I don't think it's unusual, when bussing one's teammate, to attempt to distance oneself and dissociate oneself from them, hence the "didn't even know her character name when I voted". Again with this Pro-Town thing, like it's a mask you wear. Whoopee, you've extended days, so have I. Like I said, I didn't see the point in you even mentioning this. So you've been saving the town from having the scum killing at night, which is absolutely no problem for you to do when all you have to do is vote out a townie. If you'd been hammering scum to save the town from a night kill (and before you start shrieking I know Bob said there's only one scum) then this would be an actual point. Saving the town from losing a townie at night by losing one in the day is super easy if you're scum. No, just busy. Deanna is an incredible player and not being here gave her an opportunity to respond to you without being unchallenged by me, which she took advantage of (and I don't blame her). I would rather have been here, frankly, but there we go. It would appear I misrepresented it by not including that one small post, which was also equivocal, that occurred prior to the post I was talking about. The rest of it still stands. "The vote tally today seems like Beverly is still in the game." - that's what you said and why I said "You know she's gone, right?". It seemed like you missed her. Scummy old Bev could still only vote for one person, so there's really only so far she could spread her vote, so it's just an odd association. My ping of you, pinged you. How fun. So I'm scummy for voting for someone you apparently found scummy? If Data's behaviour bugged you the most that day, why were you voting for me? And what does me switching from Picard to Data have to do with this? Are you kidding me? You've had many conversations with Riker just in this game about how people follow your vote (like you didn't already know). You are trying to claim you couldn't convince someone to vote for the most-voted-for person in this game? That's almost hilarious. No, it's a hypothetical and a reasonable one at that. Especially if you go back and re-read what happened. Forg said that your unwillingness to vote for me and continue to keep me around was what made him think you were scum. I'm not sure how this even helps - you get to either lynch me, or lynch Data or have a no-lynch where you can kill someone at night - any way it goes you get to kill off a townie. The big benefit in not lynching me after all is that I become the yardstick by which to judge everybody else. You get to say "I think X is scummier than Wes, even though I think Wes is scum, despite him defending himself against the initial ridiculous accusation, so we'll lynch X today" and rinse and repeat. It is the fallacy of continuing to say you think I'm scum for something that's already been defended. After you had said you'd do it yourself. Like an "I will, will you?" "So do you think other people will join us if we do it?" If at that point you had said "Nah, I think we should just lynch Wes like we planned and then lynch Data tomorrow if we're still here. Let's not risk there being a night-kill" I believe Picard would have said that you were right and done so. We're back to me being so stupid as to say what I said about Beverly, in the context of her being my scum mate, on Day One, but so 'expert' as to be able to convince you otherwise for several game days. But you've also wanted to lynch me every day too. Because I'm so scummeh. I wasn't in the middle of this at all. You've lied about this before and you're lying about it again. I don't even appear on page 3 of that day. My last post where I quote Forg (the one to which you are referring) was me answering his accusations of me, not the other way around. At the end of the post I questioned his towniness, which is kinda common in a game like this, especially when you're Town and you feel persecuted. That is so very far from what you attest.
  6. Ok, so it's interesting to read the different takes on me. One seems to reasonably reflect what I've said and done, and one... really doesn't. Now, I don't know if I've ever mentioned this, but I'm Town, so when that happens I have to wonder if the inaccurate account is because someone is dumb, desperately misguided, or just trying to save their own hide and get me lynched. Deanna is certainly not dumb, and I doubt she is misguided either. Deanna had, by her own confession, been around stalking Riker and yet she waited to see what Riker would do before re-launching her attack on me. I'm not going to go point to point because I'm exhausted, but I do need to respond to some things. You can't lynch me by yourself indeed, and I can't lynch anyone else by myself either. I'm not going to vote for myself, so I think it's pretty understandable I would look to people other than myself and if I find something I believe to be scummy I put attention on it. That is, after all, the point of the game. You say you voicing every thought and suspicion is a Town thing, but really you've just posted quite a bit of wishy-washy fluff rather than real suspicions, and you know better than that. The thoughts you've posted have been more of a stream of consciousness and often quite erratic when trying to follow them. Your usual order and logic are lost in mess, and I know you've had stuff going on, and I send all my love and best wishes to you and M with that, but even with that I think it is an attempt to obfuscate your true thoughts and intentions. This super-duper pings me. "pro-Town" not "Town" it's weird. At one point or another I think everyone's voted for me, so that really doesn't narrow it down! Should I have consistently tried to get myself lynched? Actually, after Riker unvoted Picard, Picard then voted for me. So if Picard was "starting to suspect" you, he expressed it unconventionally by voting for me. That would have been a master-stroke of manipulation by me! I was convincing people not to vote for me! Such a scummy move to fight so hard and make people see I am Town! As to the spotlight yesterday. There were but four of us here yesterday and I don't know how small you think the spotlight is, but I would say all four of us were in the spotlight all day. I did not, and could not, engineer that, and it's frankly ridiculous to think that I might have. I was hardly "aw shucks" and I will repeat that it's odd that you haven't considered anything like this. I went back and re-read def's game from about 9 years ago (The Coming Darkness), that Bob also played. Forg and I were only late-game substitutes in that game, and in that game the scum were actually all the dead players. There are some setups where you can't be completely honest with the players because the setup doesn't work if you are. What crazy world are we in where the normally paranoid and inquisitive Deanna actually ridicules someone for considering this? You've missed the point. When I mentioned about double checking my role PM it was a joking indication that I have been fighting back against wave after wave of opinion that I might be scum so much that I had almost managed to almost become convinced I actually was and so checking my role PM to reassure myself that I am indeed Town. Which I am. I've checked. Not trivial arguments, valid points. Are you saying that "most people read the thread in order" is an outrageous and scummy statement? You said you saw something incredibly scummy in Beverly's post and just had to vote for her there and then, and only after that did you go back and read the rest of the thread. Ridiculous. You mean you're only just starting that now? Of course not, you do that all game every game, what am I saying? I don't think I would agree with anyone's self-characterisation of their scum game, so I don't see what the point of this is. There's a lot I could respond to here, but saying that usually when you're scum you can't wait to get to the night phase to be evil, but in this game you've voted to extend the day, is really quite silly. There isn't much/any evil for you to do in the night, so what does it matter if you extend the day or not? It isn't even WIFOM. Why are you even making this point? Welcome to my world! You made one statement about Data early on that could go either way - he might be scum, he might not, said Picard was the same transport as him, and that was it. I had initially voted for Picard and subsequently unvoted him and voted for Data for my own reasons. It was only after that that you started mumbling about unvoting me and voting for Data. I fail to see my manipulation here. It was after that that Picard suggested you and he vote for Data, which you then batted back and forth while I was responding to Forg. It wasn't in your power to hammer me, you'd already voted for me. You then voted third for Data and Data was the last person to vote for himself. How was I taking advantage of anything? My last post of the day was talking to Forg and I wasn't around for the end of the day. My amazing manipulative skills managed to get two people to unvote me and vote for Data, and get Data to vote for himself, even though I wasn't even saying anything and wasn't around for the end of the day. Fucking hell, I'm a fucking genius. Oh the humanity! You didn't hammer anyone, Data hammered himself. You could easily have convinced Picard to lynch me, he was asking you what to do. If you'd just said "nah, we should lynch that fucker Wesley once and for all" he'd have said "Okedokee" and I wouldn't be here. The only person you truly hammered was Forg. And that's probably nicer for you than killing him at night, which would be more personal. You cast the hammer vote on Geordi, but Riker also voted for Geordi after you, so even if you had unvoted, he still would have been lynched. Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see all these opportunities to save the Town from a night kill. And the point has been made by various people regarding various other people (but notably by Forg regarding you) that keeping me around (i.e. not night killing me) is useful to you as a diversionary tactic. As long as I am here, you feel you have a shield against being lynched, because people keep demonstrating how keen they are to lynch me, so they'll deffo lynch me before you, right? Day Four I made my last post about you being a therapist and that was that. My name may have still looked like I was here for that 20 minutes or so it takes, but I wasn't. It was nearly one O'Clock in the morning on a weekday night; kids long since tucked up and a husband trying very hard to get to sleep. This really is ridiculous yes, however Riker had said how he felt reassured by your paranoid stalking of him, so I can see you trying to appeal to him with this. Yeah, you were only hanging around to stalk me! So... you thought I was here in case I, or you, or Picard unvoted Forg and I needed to send a night kill in, but it cannot be that you were here thinking I was here, worried I would unvote Forg and you might need to be the one to send a night kill in? Oh man. Thanks for extending the day, sorry I wasn't around. Pandoraland () is ok, thanks. Vote: Deanna Troi (Hincklestinckle)
  7. I'm not even going to break this up, only because I'm tired, not for any other reason. I sort of, kind of, get why you're voting for me. I guess. You're wrong, but whatever. Defences are not scummy, Town do it all the time. Everyone has been defending themselves, so by your logic that would make everyone scummy. You seem to me to be the most scummy of a really-not-very-scummy-at-all group. My vote is standing and I probably won't be around until after the end of the day.
  8. Well, exactly. That's why I was asking if that was the case. And his apparent 'ping' earlier notwithstanding, he's done a 180ยบ switch in opinion about me. I've gone from not very scummy to very scummy in his eyes while it looked like I might be lynched instead of him. For now. I have maybe another hour or so, and I still have a whole load of [life] to deal with. But I think Riker has participated more than you have?? You... don't defend yourself??? If you really are Town, you are potentially screwing us over then. You don't play that way?? I cannot understand this at all. If you really are Town and you're just giving up I am going to be so goddamn angry with you. And I pinged you because of the way I said something? Over the internet? My mind is boggling so much right now. I didn't think there was another level of insane.
  9. @Hinckley Troi, am I imagining Riker's participation? I think he's definitely been around and saying stuff, do you agree or no? Well, it's DESERVES to win for playing such a Town game and looking more like Town than you. Is it Riker that you think is the last scum? Why are you not scum? Would you like to make a case for yourself (a case for being Town, I mean, obviously)? No snarkiness, genuinely, tell me/us why you're not scum.
  10. Your main argument against Riker is that he's lurking and posting fluff, but my experience is really quite the opposite. Riker has been much more present than you and has made thoughtful and insightful comments. You voted for yourself. Is it me again now? Me changing my mind had bugger all to do with you voting for me. I have had pretty much everybody here voting for me at one stage or another, it doesn't exactly phase me any more. I changed my mind through a genuine discourse with Troi, and I "changed my mind on" you as a result of a process of elimination, as I said. If it's not you, I'm sorry, and if it is you, well, I'm still sorry because you've done really well. So the Ice Cube Tray was.... a lie? *Oh no, I meant faze me not phase me. I am mortified and this is actually almost enough for me to vote for myself.
  11. And also for Riker to be town, come to think of it. So that this is over. Not that I haven't ... enjoyed it
  12. I can meme too! I don't really want anything, except for you to actually be Town.
  13. And yet, maybe no, as Deanna... well, see for yourself. The argument that drives me insane. Akin to "it's not what you meant, it's how you made me feel". I'd be impressed if you can hear my tone of voice across the internet room. This is very silly. You want to lynch me, then send me that $1000 right now. Please.
  14. Yeah, it was funny at the time. I don't want it back! That would add insult to injury. If we're both Town you can keep it, but if you're scum I'll take the $1000 thanks. I just don't see it being Riker, and I agree that if it is then he deserves the win. To come in and not vote me out when he unquestioningly could have (and I know you could argue it keeps people looking at me, but I don't agree) would be, in my opinion, a genius scum move. The rest of his play has seemed to be a solid town game too. By a process of elimination that makes me think it must be Picard. Vote: Picard (Lind Whisperer) You've been watching us duke it out and when I repeat a point I've already made you're pinged? Not conclusive by any means, but weak. Are we done yet?