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copmike Hiya buddy! Long time no see. *Laughs* ;) Well, lost my job last year and I'm only working part time now so all my plans are scrapped at the moment. I'll get back to you about more of them 3219's though. ;) Yes, you totally understood my point about the scale and details. Yes, you totally understood my point about different scales for the large ships as well. You've just won first prize. *Laughs* ;) Well, to have "some" standard about a product line is never ever wrong at all but rather good indeed. Yes, like I said I'd do it if I were in charge of product development at The LEGO Group. *Laughs* ;) Like I said to Ras 74/Rickard I'm probably not able to come there. :( Sweden - The One... And Only.

Ras 74 Yes indeed. We're all buddies on here (I hope *Laughs*). ;) Yes, it would've been way cool if the Naboo Fighter, Snowspeeder and Y-Wing Starfighter were made in the same 1:28 scale as the T.I.E. Interceptor and X-Wing Fighter because that would've been great for a fine display of all of the one and two man smaller fighters. To me and if I were in charge of the product development (I wish, I wish, I wish) at The LEGO Group the Ultimate Collector Series would mean 1:28 scale for all of the one and two man smaller fighters and then different scales for ships as large as the Millennium Falcon etc. Busts and Figures like 10018 Darth Maul and 7194 Yoda - Jedi Master would be released as "Sculptures" as that's what they actually are and everything else would be released as either Technic or System scale sets because that would've been a logic and smart business decision. But hey, there aren't really any Ultimate Collector Series System Scale Sets because the System Sets are just System Sets and this "great myth" came to be when the Cloud City Playset that just were a Shop at Home Exclusive got placed with the Ultimate Collector Series models. I collect everything in the LEGO Star Wars line that's officially released for the official market and I'm just missing (a couple of key chains, most of the pens and) 10129 Snowspeeder, 7262 T.I.E. Fighter & Y-Wing, 10131 T.I.E. Fighter Collection and 10134 Y-Wing Starfighter. I like all of the Ultimate Collector Series Model Sets and I'm just missing the two mentioned above but the only thing bugging me with some of them is that the one and two man smaller fighters are made in totally diffent scales but otherwise I'm quite happy with them all. I would also like to see Jabba's Sail Barge as either a System Set or Ultimate Collector Series Model Set but both in one no as it's either the System or Ultimate Collector Series scale because that's actually two totally different entities separate from each other by far. I would rather have seen a Death Star Playset done in the same manner as the Cloud City Playset then the God damn awful Death Star II that we're about to get because that Ultimate Collector Series Model Set is nothing else but a major disappointment to me at least. Yes, it's your and mine opinions and we're bloody entitled to them buddy! ;) Oh, I really wish I could but the way things are going right now it's most likely impossible for me... :( Sweden - The One... And Only.

jipay What's sultimate collector serie? *Laughs* Just kidding with you. I know exactly what you mean there. ;) But... I don't agree with you at all. You say that the Ultimate Collector Series is just a serie of models targeted at collectors and not the normal customer and that it's definitely not a scale thing neither a detailed thing... But... The Ultimate Collector Series ARE advertised as detailed scale models aimed at the AFOL (or at least people with a thicker wallet) builder and collector and ARE made as detailed scale models so how can they not be detailed scale models when they actually are all that in LEGO form? All of the Ultimate Collector Series spaceships ARE made in a scale and ARE as detailed as possible using LEGO parts but it's only the T.I.E. Interceptor and X-Wing Fighter that has been officially announced being in 1:28 scale but the rest is also made in certain but different scales. I'm not saying that ALL of the Ultimate Collector Series models should be one single scale becuase that's not possible or what "I" want but at least the one or two man smaller fighters becuase that's possible to do and would've been a very logic and smart business decision. I do love large scale model kits of certain spaceships from film and television and I've always wanted to be able to build a Rebel and Imperial fleet but with the old MPC/AMT/ERTL/Racing Champions model kits that wasn't just possible as scales went all over the charts. Sure, SMT - Scale Model Technologies in Canada made very fine 1:48 scale model kits but they were bloody expensive and they're gone now as they were unlicensed and got a "Cease and Desist" order from Lucas Film and on eBay they're even more expensive now a days. Sure, Fine Molds in Japan makes very fine 1:72 scale model kits of the X-Wing Fighter, T.I.E. Fighter, T.I.E. Interceptor, Jedi Starfighter and Jango Fett's Slave 1 but that's it and if more model kits from them are on their way is anybody's guess as it's been quite for a while. I think you get my point... I've got both the 10019 Rebel Blockade Runner and the 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer and I'm completely satisfied with them both even if they aren't in scale with each other because that's simply not possible to do but the share size of them both is what satisfies me in the end. If The LEGO Group would have stuck with the 1:28 scale for the one or two man smaller fighters the Rebel Snowspeeder for example would've been smaller and therefore also much cheaper and then maybe people with much smaller wallets could've afford this set as well. The LEGO Group should've scrapped the whole bloody chrome plated thing and made the Naboo Fighter as a more attractive model in 1:28 scale instead of the System Set scale as a "Special Edition" model because it's not even chrome plated the whole way as seen in the movie. The Y-Wing Starfighter is as long as it'd be in "Classic Ultimate Collector Series" 1:28 scale but of course the LEGO designers f****d it all up by making the proportions of for example the engines way off so it's actually more a cross between System and Special Edition scale. As snefroe1 and I talked about The LEGO Group had something really good going in the Ultimate Collector Series concept that could've entered the market of model kit building and collecting and competed with it but no The LEGO Group had to make a dumb a***d decision. What I'm trying to say is that The LEGO Group gave us AFOL something really cool that sure as hell could've been something quite big and expanded their market in new directions and then again why the hell should we settle for less when we actually pay for the bloody stuff? Just look at this new Ultimate Collector Series Death Star II and I quote: "This unique collectable IS SURE to rank as one of the GREATEST LEGO Star Wars MODELS ever produced!" Yeah right... That will probably happen with all the good reviews it got so far. Greatest huh? Yeah right. Sweden - The One... And Only.

Ras 74/Rickard That's cool. I know him a little, but just a little, as I've bought LEGO stuff from him. A cool guy. ;) Well, I kind of figured out that you were kidding around with me hence the "Laughs" in my previous post so don't worry that you offended me becuase as jipay and Bloody Jay says I'm very well known and famous for my "Swedish sarcasm" so you can chill out now buddy. ;) Okay, there won't be any arguing at all but I "do" love a good and heated discussion everyonce in a while and okay you're happy for whatever The LEGO Group brings us before the licens expires but why settle for less when you could actually ask for more and better huh? ;) I mean, after all we do pay for the bloody stuff they bring us. *Laughs* ;) Yes, we're not that many Scandinavians on here and as you say it's really cool to see fellow country men on here as there are so few of us that come to websites like this so lets make the best out of it and have the good and heated discussions that I do love to have. ;) Sweden - The One... (Who loves a good and heated discussion) And Only.

snefroe1 It's way cool to see that you got my point about this whole topic where others fail even if I've seen most of them whine and complain about both Ultimate Collector Series and System Sets not being in scale or aren't really movie accurate and so on in endless and meaningless discussions. However, you do contradict yourself just a little bit about the purpose of the Ultimate Collector Series. ;) I believe that the Ultimate Collector Series "was" an attempt by The LEGO Group to attract not only adults who grew up with the original Star Wars trilogy but "also" adults and model kit builders and collectors like myself becuase the model sets are indeed advertised as model sets. As I've said so many times before I know that LEGO "was" originally being made for and aimed at kids and younger teenagers but over the past two decades the AFOL community has grown real large and that's a thing that The LEGO Group is very well aware of these modern days. According to a survey done in England that I saw a few years back 10% of the sales of the LEGO Star Wars line went to adults and/or AFOL and that's an very interesting figure that I know that The LEGO Group are well aware of and interested in as they do make money on us adults. I do believe that the Ultimate Collector Series was indeed an attempt made by The LEGO Group to attract us AFOL but it's also very clear to me that The LEGO Group doesn't know at all how to handle this group of consumers judging from what they've done with this line of model sets. I find what you're saying damn interesting you know so I'll comment on it further while at it. ;) Yes, the first two 1:28 scale model sets of the T.I.E. Interceptor and X-Wing Fighter were indeed fantastic not only for the traditional LEGO fan but also to model kit builders and collectors as they truly showed what fine models that can be done with LEGO bricks and plates and so on. Yes, if The LEGO Group had continued in that direction they would as you say had a chance not only to sell LEGO as a toy to children but also to adults as a material for a really cool hobby because after seeing what can be done with this building toy it'd been a huge success indeed. Yes, how cool wouldn't it have been to see a Spitfire, F-16 Tank or whatever done in LEGO as supermodels because as you say how many adults that were fans of LEGO as a kid wouldn't get right back into building and collecting LEGO with really great model sets of that type? Yes, by releasing Sculpture and Mini Figure Sets in the Ultimate Collector Series The LEGO Group has indeed lost the credibility with this group of potential consumers and you're right that this is my message with this thread and it's sad what The LEGO Group has done with this line. Yes, The LEGO Group probably never ever even realised that they "had" an great opportunity here but as you say market analysis has unfortunately never ever been the strongest point of The LEGO Group and how stupid can they get stating that it's just a toy for children? Yes, The LEGO Group never ever even saw that opening for new markets for the reasons you mention and yes they blew it big time with missing out on this opportinuty to expand the adult market for this so called toy but it's their loss and unfortunately ours too as well... The Star Wars Ultimate Collector Series line and any other super model line for that matter as well had so much potential but with the really odd choices that The LEGO Group made with this line it's beyond all the possibilities it ever had and that's truly sad to know about. Thank you for making a really interesting post buddy. ;) Sweden - The One... And Only.

Ras 74 Long thread about nothing huh? Well, it's a far more interesting topic to talk about product development and licensing then the usual "What set(s) should I buy or not?, What set(s) do you own or not?, Aren't I the best?, Aren't you the best?, Aren't he the best?" and all other pointless topics that's talked to death. *Laughs* Well, both the Ultimate Collector Series 7181 T.I.E. Interceptor and 7191 X-Wing Fighter is made according to the box art work in 1:28 scale and even if I haven't made any calculations compared to the supposed so called "real life" size this seem about right so you're part wrong in what you say about this particular line. If you read my so called "Long thread about nothing" a little bit closer you might see the point I'm trying to make about the Ultimate Collector Series concept how it could've been and how it could've been improved and then again it was to start an interesting discussion except for the usual boring done to death topics. No, the Ultimate Collector Series ARE advertised and ARE made as scale model sets with model kit quality as far is possible with bricks and plates and so on for us AFOL and look at Shop at Home in the US of A where the 10143 Death Star II IS advertised as a "Ultimate Collector Series Model Set" and nothing else. Yes, it would've been wonderful if the Naboo Fighter, Snowspeeder and Y-Wing Starfighter were made in 1:28 scale just as the T.I.E. Interceptor and X-Wing Fighter and it was a possibility for The LEGO Group to do and it would've been a much smarter marketing decision for the reasons mentioned in my previous post. Sure, LEGO is a toy but still the Ultimate Collector Series Model Sets are being made for and aimed at the AFOL community of builders and collectors and who in their right bloody mind swooshes around with the 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer like the kids and God forbid you adult guys do with the smaller System Sets? *Laughs again* By the way dude... Vi

Bloody Jay Well, that's the impression I got too yet people scream "UCS" about the Cloud City Playset. Figure that one out as well? Sweden - The One... And Only.

Bloody Jay You're most welcome. :) Nah, I just make up as I go along. lol But I've managed to get some latin to get stuck. Et nomini, et fili, et spiritus sante. (From the movie Boondock Saints I better point out). ;) Maybe I should study some latin? Hmmm... There's a thought. Your sarcastic buddy Sweden... In Sweden.

jipay You got a good sense of humor as well. I like that too. lol ;) Ahhh! The Jawa Sandcrawler. I can't wait either. Watch that space for an official announcement. lol Sweden.

Bloody Jay You got a good sense of humor. I like that. lol ;) Sarcasmus Swedicus Rex.

Bloody Jay I know that very well. You almost got my little joke. ;) Nah, it's awful. jipay I know that very well too. That's why I come here. It was a joke you see. I think you know why. ;) Sweden.

What's wrong with it? The outer hull or surface if you like is made of plates. Should have been bricks. Oh, and by the way... Now it's official. It's up on From Bricks to Bothans. Sweden... The One and Only.

Is that the best LEGO could do? Looks awful. The one and only Sweden.

If the Sandcrawler is "anything" like that so called prototype or made for fun modell that was seen in the LEGO Mania Magazine from a few years ago this will be a great set indeed. To do the Sandcrawler in any other way then the LEGO designers did that protype or made for fun modell would be a really big misstake. To do it the way Gareth "Guybrush" Bowler did his over at From Bricks to Bothans would be a big misstake as the set would be way to small and disappointing. The LEGO figures aren't really scale figures and none of the vehicles and spaceships aren't really scale models or in scale with each other but some scale ought to be concidered. The Sandcrawler is a rather huge vehicle and should be done quite huge as well in order to do justice to the design and details. Okay, I know that LEGO is being made for and aimed at children and younger teenagers but there's also a lot of adult builders and collectors. No matter what cathegory any of you guys belong to I assume that many of you would want a decent "scale" model of the Sandcrawler or at least I would want one. Then again if you guys look at that prototype or made for fun modell it isn't really that large as an R2-D2 unit is placed at the loading ramp but it sure looks darn nice anyway. To do it with plates like the AT-AT would also be another big misstake and the choice of using bricks is to me at least a very wise decision. Have any of you guys ever noticed that the so called prototype or made for fun modell of the Sandcrawler looks like a finished product ready for distribution? It's designed the same way the MTT was with odd colors and like a huge play set. Kindest regards, Lars "Sweden" Olsson in Sundsvall, Sweden.