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sam89 I want to agree with you that we won't see the arena beasts and Count Dooku's Solar Sailor but I'm not 100% sure about that as those, as far as I've seen at least, are highly requested sets but as I said I think that the chances for the Solar Sailor are better then the arena beast but we'll see what's going to happen. The Solar Sailor looks great to me at least and Acklay and Reek looks so so being made out of LEGO parts and would've looked better as new single molds or with movable parts but as we've only seen Kaduu's as brand new creature molds so far any new creature molds are highly unlikely due to high tooling costs. Sarg Kulo & Ras74 That's what I heard and seen too. No more Episode I and II sets. Just as sam89 says I've also seen and heard that LEGO will focus on yet more Episode III sets as well as more Episode IV to VI sets in the near future but then again who knows if LEGO renew and continue the Star Wars license with Lucas Film Limited. Sweden - The One... And Only.

Sarg Kulo The main reason, as far as I can remember at least, to why you don't remember seeing that two-seat walker is simply because it wasn't included in the movie as it was in some deleted scenes or something like that but then again not much of the Episode III sets that I've bought were much visible in the movie... Sure, LEGO might listen to us fans to "some" degree but don't count on LEGO doing so purely as long as the almighty green $$$ rules the world but I'd say it's a 50/50 chance that we might see Count Dooku's Solar Sailor as a set some time in the future but the rest of them I've got serious doubts about you know. Sweden - The One... And Only.

In lack of really interesting subjects... The LEGO Group have stated on several occasions that they "can't" talk about the past, present or future of the LEGO Star Wars line, or any other line for that matter, but still they have shown off several so called "prototype" or "made for fun" sets or models and all this strike me as something really odd indeed. I mean, if you can't talk about the past, present or future of a product line then why the heck can you show it off, someone on the chat said it could be because it was cancelled products but I don't quite agree, as they still could be potential products to be released some time in the future if there's any money in it all. Another thing that strikes me as really odd is that all these so called "prototype" or "made for fun" sets or models look just like products ready to be released with all the correct shapes and colors and even scale depending on wether it's a "System/Mini Figure" or "Ultimate Collector Series" scale sets or models. I mean, would "prototype" or "made for fun" sets in the "System/Mini Figure" line have the correct shapes and colors or models in the "Ultimate Collector Series" line be correctly scaled if they were made as just a simple "prototype" or "made for fun" piece and sure they could but why waste precious time doing it right. Over the years we've seen several examples of the above facts but no one has even talked about it but a few who mentioned it in a real hurry but what's so weird to me at least is that there has been "no" official word at all from The LEGO Group on this and bellow I'll give you all the examples that I know of at least. Jawa Sandcrawler in System/Mini Figure scale This "Prototype" or "made for fun" set in "System/Mini Figure" scale was shown off for the very first time in an issue of the "LEGO Adventures!" magazine in I think it was in the year 2000 where we saw something that were very close to what we recently received in the Shop at Home Exclusive 10144 Sandcrawler set. From what I understand most fans of LEGO saw this as a "prototype" or "made for fun" set but if you did look really close at the pictures of it then you could see that it was designed just like the MTT set with all these odd colors so at that time I thought that there's no way it just a "prototype" or "made for fun" set. And I turned out to be right years later... Aldar Beedo's Podracer as a Ultimate Collector Series model In that very same issue of the "LEGO Adventures!" magazine from 2000 we were shown off an Ultimate Collector Series model of Aldar Beedo's Podracer and when looking at it one can see that it's "correctly" scaled, whatever the scale is, and it has the correct colors and details like something ready to hit stores. Darth Vader's T.I.E. Fighter as a Ultimate Collector Series model Also in that issue we were shown off an Ultimate Collector Series model of Darth Vader's T.I.E. Fighter that also looked correctly scaled, in classic 1:28 Ultimate Collector Series scale, with correct colors and details also looking like something ready to hit the stores with just the product box missing with it on the picture. Speeder Bike as a Ultimate Collector Series model Yet again in that very issue we were shown off an Ultimate Collector Series model of the Speeder Bike and what a beautiful model it was whatever the scale might be but the details and shapes looked dead on and there's no way at all that this was just a "prototype" or "made for fun" model looking like a final product. Y-Wing Fighter as a superdetailed and correctly scaled System/Mini Figure set I don't really know in what magazine the superdetailed and correctly scaled "System/Mini Figure" set of the Y-Wing Fighter was shown off in but this could possibly be a new and slightly more expensive "System/Mini Figure" line of sets for the ones into scale and details without making it Ultimate Collector Series size at all. Many fans of LEGO made the misstake and thought it to be an classic 1:28 scale "Ultimate Collector Series" model when it actually was a superdetailed and correctly scaled "System/Mini Figure" set as an mini figure was clearly seen in the cockpit and then again it's not as big at all as the "Utlimate Collector Series" model. Snowspeeder as a Ultimate Collector Series model In that very same magazine unknown to me and on that very same picture an "Ultimate Collector Series" model of the Snowspeeder was shown off and it was very close to the 10129 Snowspeeder model that was relesed except that minor details and shapes were altered for the retail version that we got in 2003. More stuff... Then on the LEGOLAND Star Wars Weekend (2005) in California we were shown of yet more of these so called "prototype" or "made for fun," or maybe they were called unreleased, sets and models with some of them having the potential as being released in the future due to "their look" as a being final products. Count Dooku's Solar Sailor Seen at the Galactichunter website: Solar Sailor Acklay Seen at the Galactichunter website: Acklay Acklay & Reek Seen at xLIGHTSx Brickshelf gallery: Acklay & Reek Two-seated walker deleted from EIII Seen at the Galactichunter website: Walker Alternate versions of the Corporate Alliance Tank Droid and the Swamp Speeder was also shown off. Over the past six years that I've been lurking and visiting websites like "Eurobricks" and such I've never ever seen this fact really talked about and what's even more odd is that no one seem to have asked The LEGO Group about these sets and models and still there's no official word from LEGO on this matter as well. There's no doubt what so ever that the LEGO designers build a whole lot of sets and models that we will probably never ever see or hear of but with what they have shown us so far of the "unproduced" sets one truly wonder what amazing and wonderful creations the designers have pulled off in secrecy to the fans... Any comments and thoughts on the subject? Sweden - The One... And Only.

mutley777 I need to get out more huh? *Laughs* I think I know what you've imagined me to be in real life but I'll disappoint you. *Laughs* I'm 6' 3" tall (190 cm). My weight is around 280 Ibs (135 kg). My upper arms are 20" and my chest is 52" around. I'm built like a wrestler. Been into body building and power lifting most of my life. Been playing American Fotball as well. I've got long blond hair and most of the time I've got a beard thing going or a 5 o'clock shadow. I look like a biker which isn't completely untrue. I get drunk everyonce in a while and I like Whiskey. A brawl doesn't scare me off. Not muppets either. So I'm nothing like people imagine me to be. *Laughs* Still I'm a gentle gigant unless really pissed off. Got a girlfriend that I love dearly and that loves me just as much. I'm a helpful kind of guy and I always stand up for the weak. My girlfriend calls me an angel without wings. Therefore I treat her like a little Princess. Got four kids in the deal when I met her as well and I love her kids as well. I love my family and my friends. I work as a cab driver. I love movies and especially Science Fiction, Horror, Fantasy and Action. I build and collect model kits as well as the Star Wars and Harry Potter LEGO lines. I've got a huge collection of railway model kits as well as a huge collection of DVD titles. My new passion (except for my girlfriend) is McFarlane Toys action figures that I've started to collect. I like mother nature so I go fishing at times. I love all the good stuff in life. So with other words I'm NO Harry Potter that needs to get out more. *Laughs* stan Okay, that's what I've been trying to say the whole time that similar sized ships should be in one scale and other huge ones in another or several different scales wether it's spaceships or vehicles because that's a realistic approach to it so you and some others actually understood me and got it right unlike some other. But there's no UCS System sets. That's just a myth. UCS is UCS and System is System. The main reason for this is that the Cloud City set happened to be misplaced in the UCS cathegory on Shop at Home when it's just a "plain and simple" Shop at Home Exclusive set with a 5 digit number as another identification mark. Sweden - The One... You thought was a Harry Potter dude when he wasn't.

xwingyoda Yes, The LEGO Group should care about the AFOL unless they're totally brain dead business wise. :| I truly like your ideas because there's a whole lot of us AFOL out there that do make a certain part of the income for The LEGO Group and this is a market they could indeed expand a whole lot if they had the will to do it and imagine what really cool and awesome stuff that could be made and be a cash cow for them. Here's a good example about a manufacturer that didn't listen to the customers and lost: In the late 90's Todd McFarlane's McFarlane Toys made way for the new type of action figures that indeed basically were like built and painted model kits with the exception that they were action figures on steroids and after that McFarlane Toys gained a huge piece of the markets with their excellent line of action figures. But... Then McFarlane Toys all of a sudden stopped to listen to the wishes the fans of their action figure lines had and then NECA and SOTA Toys entered the toy market and they got "most" of the really exclusive licenses that's sought after to make action figures from leaving McFarlane Toys with basically nothing to produce... Their eight wave of the Movie Maniacs line for 2005 has been delayed until next year... Figures. snefroe1 The one who needs a reality check is you dude. :| Insignificant huh? Well, if you base it on that every AFOL in the world is registred to those websites maybe. To me an AFOL is an AFOL no matter if he or she is "active" or not being registred to these websites you mention because you don't need to be registred to any of them to be an AFOL and not everyone has the need to be registred to them for that matter and there's a whole lot of potential AFOL out there as well. I know for a fact that there's AFOL amongst the model kit communities that are impressed with especially the UCS line and that do know what amazing thing that can be done with LEGO parts and that's a market that The LEGO Group should try and gain because with UCS there's big bucks to be made amongst these. I've studied the model kit and toy markets for "30 years" now and I've been the manager for my very own but former mail order business dealing with model kits and toys so I ought to know what I'm talking about and I ought to know a great deal about the business even though I'm not an expert on the whole subject. Yeah, there you're most definitely right buddy. The LEGO Group versus the AFOL communities is nothing else but a very smart marketing decision because they know just as I do that there's a whole lot of these unregistred AFOL out that they can reach that way and nothing's better then free advertsing for anyone. It's all about the money, di-di-dum-dum-di-di-di-dum, I don't think it's funny, I see them fade away. I truly like your ideas as well because over the years I've seen what "totally amazing" things that can be created with those LEGO parts and being a model kit builder and collector in the begining seeing that one basically can create fine model kits out of LEGO parts I'm totally amazed that there so few UCS sets made. Go over to the Sir Steve's Star Wars Guide website and go check out the LEGO forum and you'll see a very good example of very cheap advertizing made by The LEGO Group in the AFOL community promising gold and diamonds and especially read the extraordinary announcement of the Death Star II that's pure crap. jipay The problem is that you don't read what I say and that you're guessing what I'm trying to say. I quote myself: "A note: This is not directed to the Eurobricks community but to the other ones." End quote. I never ever even once said that I concider all of the AFOL communities as one group because they're not as AFOL doesn't mean just that and once again not all of the AFOL are registred to these communities as probably most AFOL doesn't want to or have a need to do it and then again with FBTB who would want to. Yes, I know that "Eurobricks" aren't very much like FBTB and thank God for that because that very place is a damn good example of what a community shouldn't be like and I even know of famous AFOL that doesn't even want to be associated with them in "any way at all" so I'll actually give Eurobricks some compliments. Sure, I'm "The One" who complained as you like to call it but I'm NOT the only one who does it no matter how much you twist and turn it around and go read that other topic once again and you'll see that there are more people reasoning along the lines that I do so I'm in NO way unique and I'm definitely NOT alone. Sweden... The One... And only.

stan I'll try and explain it one more time... Over the years I've seen "lots" of people on AFOL communities whining and moaning about spaceship and vehicle sets not being in scale with the mini figures and not being in scale with each other as well as being heavily <insert that tiresome argument> and how much better this Star Wars line could've been if only The LEGO Group had etc... Then I start a new topic about all this to try and contribute with what I can to get away from the ever so typical "I've got $10000.00 this month in spending money so what sets should I buy guys?" posts and all of a sudden this whole thing about scale is nothing people can remember whining and moaning about!? In this topic scale and accuracy is brought up once again by other people saying it's important and a thing they want or even demand from The LEGO Group so why is it that when I make a post about wanting it I'm totally wrong and when someone else does it's totally right so does what's right depend on who says it? If that's not a contradiction then I don't know what a contradiction is. :| xwingyoda Right. There's nothing wrong with a long and intelligent conversation. Yes, it's impossible for The LEGO Group to make all the spaceships and vehicles in one single scale because it's just not possible wether it's UCS, System or Mini scale but that was never ever the issue with the scale topic and where the heck people got that idea from is a complete mystery because I never ever said that. What I actually said was that it's "totally possible" for The LEGO Group to make all of the "smaller" one or two man fighters or vehicles in one single scale simply because it's POSSIBLE for them to do so just like a whole lot of people want them to be and that's what I've been talking about the whole time but heck no... People love to comment on what I say but they don't even bother to read what I just wrote. :| I'll try and explain it one more time... The X-Wing Fighter, Y-Wing Fighter, A-Wing Fighter, B-Wing Fighter, Snowspeeder, Standard T.I.E. Fighter, T.I.E. Interceptor, T.I.E. Bomber and Darth Vader's T.I.E. Fighter to name most of them CAN be made in the same scale in System scale and CAN be made in the same scale in 1:28 scale so what's the problem now? The Millennium Falcon, Imperial Shuttle and Slave 1 CAN'T be made in the same scale as the above ships in System scale because they would be freaking HUGE and cost a bloody furtune and the same goes for the 1:28 scale idea so these have to be <insert that tiresome argument> in both scales but still they could be rather huge model sets. The Rebel Blockade Runner and Imperial Star Destroyer... Jesus, people got to be damn stupid if I also had to explain that part as well... But... The capitol spaceships of this "enormous" type of size have to be made in induvidual scales even if some could be made in the same scale as each other because that's realistic... The ones who didn't understand me the first time maybe will do so now. Or don't you? *wacko* Wrong, every piece of the market or markets ARE important for them unless they're brain dead. :| Sweden... The One... And only.

xwingyoda You know, I do just "love" the concept of the LEGO Star Wars line as I used to build stuff with all of these LEGO "parts" as a child but after discovering and seeing what can be done and made out of LEGO "parts" for the past 6 years I do know for sure that the LEGO Star Wars line could've been so much better indeed. That's the main reason to why I'm so passionate about this whole issue of scale and accuracy regarding the Star Wars sets even though I know that they're being made for and aimed at children and younger teenagers and that they're made for a certain price point so this cathegory of customers can afford them. As I've said so very many times before there's a very large AFOL community that are responsible for a very large chunk of the income for The LEGO Group and that can afford to buy more expensive sets and as The LEGO Group has "tried?" to reach this group then why don't they go all the way when it's big bucks in it? I know for sure that I'm not alone having this opinnion even though people say I'm wrong when I make a post about it trying to have a great and intelligent conversation with you guys about the possibilities of this great concept and I truly think it's very sad that The LEGO Group doesn't see its very true potential. Sweden... The One... And only.

Isn't it hilarious?! When thinking about and looking through the "What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?" post that I made and all the answers I got the very general opinnion is that "Ultimate Collector Series" is NOT about scale at all even though it actually is and that the very same thing seem to apply to the System or Mini Figure sets. However... From time to time most people "still" complain about sets not being in scale with the mini figures and that the sets aren't in scale with each other as well as some sets being heavily <insert that tiresome argument> but when all this is brought up most of the people who whined and moaned about it seem to have forgotten what they said. And now... The subject of scale and accuracy is brought up once again this time regarding the "Mini Sets" that as far as I know "isn't" a series of sets that are scale mini models of the ships and vehicles seen in the films but actually none scale mini interputations of them made in one single size made and aimed at young children. Can someone please explain this contradiction? This is great fun to me. ;) Sweden... The One... And only.

xwingyoda Okay, okay, okay... Calm down buddy! I stand correct. ;) 4504 Millennium Falcon. Score: 3,5 out of 5. But that's as far as I'm willing to go. 4502 X-Wing Fighter. Score: 2,5 out of 5. Had to take points from somewhere... Okay, okay, okay... Calm and easy now! Score: 3,5 out of 5. *Laughs* ;) I've got them all memorized... *wacko* You said LEGO(s)... (I can't take that word in my mouth or the guys will hang me...) ;) *Laughs* Sweden... The One... And only.

xwingyoda Yeah, the 4500 Rebel Snowspeeder is slightly better but the harpoon feature is stupid. Score: 4,5 out of 5. Yeah, the 7130 (Rebel) Snowspeeder is good. Score: 4 out of 5. Yeah, the 4504 Millennium Falcon is better BUT far from what it could be. Score: 3 out of 5. Yeah, the 7190 Millennium Falcon is MUCH worse. Looks like a Bloody waffel iron. Score: -5 out of 5. Yeah, the 4502 X-Wing Fighter is... So, so. Score: 3 out of 5. What they got wrong with 7140 they got right with 4502 but what they got right with 7140 they got wrong with 4502. *wacko* Yeah, the 7140 X-Wing Fighter is okay. Score: 3 out of 5. Imperial Inspection: Maybe the Pilot went to the mens room... *sick* Yeah, do NOT buy LEGO in "Sweden." By the way... You said the forbidden word... *Laughs* ;) Sweden - The One... And Only.

xwingyoda You're most welcome. ;) Regarding Re-releases and Re-hashes Well, the Speeder Bikes are the only ones that has been "freshed up" so it's not that normal... |-D I agree, the 10131 T.I.E. Fighter Collection set for example is great for army building. Regarding the Swedish VAT of 25% I do remember the Swedish VAT of 25% and to give you an example of what I mean with over priced sets I've made some calculations for the Ultimate Collector Series 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer set as an very good example of how incredibly expensive and way over priced LEGO Star Wars sets are here in Sweden. Price in Sweden in Swedish Kronor 3390:- = Around $485.00 VAT of 25% in Swedish Kronor 847.50 = Around $122.00 Price in Swedish Kronor without VAT of 25% added 2542.50 = Around $364.00 Price in the US in US Dollar $299.00 = Around 2093:- Swedish Kronor And still there's a very huge price difference of 449.50 Swedish Kronor = Around $65.00 Sweden - The One... And Only.

jr2d2 Even though this is actually a lost cause since The LEGO Group doesn't care about the AFOL I'm giving you my compliments for starting this petition and I'm also giving you my compliments for starting this topic as the choices The LEGO Group has made about the Star Wars line is an "very" interesting subject to discuss. I do understand where you're coming from and I do understand what you're trying to say and actually I do agree with you completely so I'll support your cause but not by signing your petition but by commenting on this whole issue with what I got to say about it and what my thoughts are about this interesting subject. Most of us do know that LEGO "is being made for and aimed at children and younger teenagers" and that each and every set "is being made for a certain price point" as well as The LEGO Group doesn't give a rats a** about the AFOL but lets all just forget all that crap and have an very interesting debate about all this. No matter how "we or The LEGO Group" for that matter do twist and turn it around there "ARE" AFOL and we "DO" make a certain income for The LEGO Group so why they don't care about the wishes or demands from the AFOL is nothing else but a complete mystery to me as they could make some big bucks on us all. Okay, here goes people... This IS an very interesting petition and this IS an very interesting subject and why you ask? Well, what I find ever so boring is "all" of these basically none interesting and done to death topics about the ever so typical "What set or sets should I buy?, What set or sets is your favorite, You're the best! I'm the best! We're the best!" just to name a few of them is nothing else but "Banta Poodo" for a hungry flies. That's why I'm not a frequent poster at all of these toy and model kit communities that I'm hanging around becuase I do prefer a damn good debate and discussion as well as a damn good arguing about something from time to time because it can be a real challenge for most people and it's damn good fun in the very end. I find some of you guys and what you actually say incredibly hilarious indeed and why you ask? Over the years I've seen so very many of you guys complaining about sets not being in scale with the mini figures, sets not being in scale with each other as well as sets being heavily <insert that tiresome argument> and everything else and how you basically load The LEGO Group and how you whine and moan about all this from time to time. Then a guy like jr2d2 or me come along and start a petition or topic about all this trying to make The LEGO Group listen to the AFOL or to have a fun and great as well as an interesting debate and discussion about all this but then all of a sudden you guys have forgotten what you whined and moaned about last week!? Somebody please try and figure that one out will you? Please? Pretty please? Please? Why do some of you guys bad mouth and give a guy like jr2d2 some serious s*** and crap??? I've seen that jr2d2 has made the very same petition and topic over at the Rebelscum and From Bricks to Bothans websites and when looking through all the answers he got some were down to earth rude and seriously insulting and to me it's a complete mystery as there's "no" valid reason or excuse for all of this. What jr2d2 is trying to say is what some of you guys have whined and moaned about for years so why do you give him s*** and crap like the "Fiddler on the Roof that are nothing else but a true professional trouble maker" when there's absolutely "no" reason for it at all and one can wonder what boring life you guys live. A note: This is not directed to the Eurobricks community but to the other ones. The subject of Re-releases A re-release is a re-release of an old set wether it's slightly modified or not and a re-hash "is" a completely new version of an subject of an old set and they "are" two completely different entities that people should divide from each other as they're "not" the same thing or at least I as well as some others seem to do so. Re-releases are great for the ones that didn't get the sets the first time around and that simply can't afford all of the first original releases because of their incredibly high value on the "famous" collector's market but they shouldn't be made at the cost of completely new sets not being made for those who have all the sets. The Re-released sets so far that actually are true (and pretty okay) Re-releases It's a damn good thing that these two sets actually have brand new item numers because how else could one tell the original release and re-release apart and because this also stops suspicious dealers to try and ripp people off paying for the original release when they're actually getting the re-release in their hands. 7142 X-Wing Fighter This X-Wing Fighter set is pretty okay and is in my opinnion from a model kit builder and collectors point of view an pretty okay set even if it could've been much better because it's proportions are somewhat better then the Re-hash and it's a good thing it's recognized as a re-release by it's brand new 7142 item number. 7152 T.I.E. Fighter and Y-Wing The T.I.E. Fighter and Y-Wing set leaves a whole lot to be desired for from a model kit builder and collectors point of view especially when it it comes to the not so very good Y-Wing that definitely could've been much better and once again it's a good thing it's recognized as a re-release by it's brand new 7152 item number. The masked Re-released sets so far that actually are nothing else but a big ripp off A brand new item number and a brand new box along with a few modifications and a few figures more or even an additional set piece doesn't make it a brand new set but rather a smart and clever way to make people or completists buy a set getting yet another this and that and that's rather "common" these days. The old MPC Star Wars model kits from the late 70's and early 80's are a very good example of this fact and as collector's of the old Kenner Toys and Hasbro Star Wars action figure lines do know this is also common within the toy industry ripping people off and The LEGO Group is of no exception at all as we've seen lately. 7262 T.I.E. Fighter and Y-Wing The "new" modified version of Darth Vader's T.I.E. Fighter looks much better and correct but that's it for me at least as the Y-Wing is the same crap as the last two times but I guess it's great for those who didn't buy the set the first two times but it's still "somewhat" of a ripp off re-releasing it once again slightly different. 7263 T.I.E. Fighter T.I.E. Fighter and Darth Vader with light up lightsaber. Ripp off big time. 7264 Imperial Inspection The original release went for 399:- Swedish Kronor (around $57.00) and the masked re-release will go for 699:- Swedish Kronor (around $100.00) and what a true ripp off this is for a couple figures more and some really lame command station as well as cargo vehicle and all? this for 300:- Swedish Kronor ($43.00.) more. 10131 T.I.E. Fighter Collection A brand new T.I.E Droid and the slightly modified versions of Darth Vader's and the standard T.I.E. Fighters is all we get in this ripp off set and this truly proves that The LEGO Group are trying to milk as much money out of the Star Wars license without doing something really "constructive" about it but doing re-releases. The subject of Re-hashes The concept of re-hashes of old sets could've been a great idea and decision made by The LEGO Group as it had a really great potential especially if they had decided to do them in scale with the mini figures and in scale with each other as well as doing them as accurate new special edition scale model sets for the AFOL. Oh well, you can't ask The LEGO Group to make wise decisions at all so all we got was sets that looked like they weren't finished off but rather half done and the proportions weren't that much better at all then the original releases and the very incredible playability of the Millennium Falcon makes pieces fly here and there. 4500 Rebel Snowspeeder I thought that the original release of the Snowspeeder was pretty good in the begining but I'll admitt that the re-hash looks slightly better but I don't see the release of the re-hash as something really necessary so I'd rather have seen something "completely new" as there's some stuff left to be done in LEGO parts. 4501 Mos Eisley Cantina Where's the cantina? Just because of the very lack of a "decent" Mos Eisley Cantina I see this set as nothing but a big time ripp off and re-hash because even if there's an Mos Eisley alcove it's "not" worth mentioning there's the landspeeder that I'll admitt look good and the Dewback is basically nothing else but Dino parts. 4502 X-Wing Fighter Is that an X-Wing Fighter? Not that the original release of 7140 was that great to begin with but this so called re-hash looks even worse because the proportions are still as off as they could ever be and why people think this is such a great set I simply do not understand because it just looks slapped together. 4504 Millennium Falcon This could've been a great "special edition mini figure scale set" if done larger but what we got here was just an set with basically no playability as it's rather fragile and even if it's better then the original release of 7190 the proportions and larger details of the Millennium Falcon is still as way off as they ever could be. Some final thoughts about Re-releases and Re-hashes The re-releases are as many of you guys and I said great for the ones that didn't get the original releases when they first were around but as in the case of for example the "Imperial Inspection" set I just see it as a "big time ripp off" made by The LEGO Group trying to milk as much money out of the Star Wars license. The re-hashes should've been done either as "special edition mini figure model sets" for the AFOL that can afford them or at least The LEGO Group could've finished off the sets instead of releasing these half done releases that in "my" very own humble opinnion "aren't" that great and fantastic as some people do claim. I quote: "Anything is possible. We'll look for the best sets - regardless of building system. There are so many awesome ideas and creations that still are yet to be brought to "LEGO life" but there are years of LEGO Star Wars sets yet to come." End quote. Yeah right, The LEGO Group should've done it right the first time and release new stuff instead. Sure, one can just "quit" the whole whining and moaning thing and stop buying re-releases and re-hashes but when all that's released are re-releases with an additional set piece like the T.I.E. Droid in 10131 T.I.E. Fighter Collection and it isn't sold separately and you really want it so what else to do then to buy the set? The very same thing goes if you're being a completist like I am and you want to build and collect all the Star Wars LEGO sets that The LEGO Group releases and rest assure that they're damn very well aware of this fact and that they'll take adventage of your weakness because that's how they DO make money on us all. It's all about the money, di-di-dum-dum-di-di-di-dum, I don't think it's funny, I seem them fade away. That was my 10

David85 Yeah, I think you're right as I've got a faint memory of it being called a Sculpture set... Bloody Jay Yeah, as I see it as a Sculpture set I don't really care if people say it's Ultimate Collector Series... jipay Yeah, this could very well be an endless and serious debate but we can indeed make it fun. *Laughs* ;) mutley777 I agree, any set with mini figures aren't UCS but just a plain old simple mini figure sets and nothing else. Yes, the UCS line were/are scale model sets mainly for display and were/are not made with playabillity in mind. David85 Okay, I'll admitt it. I took the UCS X-Wing fighter for a spinn. Okay, I'll admitt doing it twice. :-D Sweden - The One... And Only. Who actually can kick David's a**. :P

jipay Buddy, now you're really starting to get the hang of it all. *Laughs* ;) This is the way I see it as this is what The LEGO Group led me to believe the way they advertised it all. The System set line is the System set line with mini figures and sets created for them in mini figure scale. The Technic set line is the Technic set line with figures (and some vehicles suitable for the Technic line). The Sculpture set line is the sculpture set line with characters in whole in small scale or as 1:1 scale busts. The UCS set line is the UCS set line with the one and two man fighters in 1:28 scale and ships larger then the Millennium Falcon in suitable scale but quite large as models anyway. But we all know now that this isn't the case at all as The LEGO Group themselves messed up all of these good and wonderful concepts for the LEGO Star Wars line but if I had actually been in charge of product development for this line that's the way I would've done it and I would've kept the line to those concepts. So to answer your question this is the way I look upon it... 7194 Yoda - Jedi Master is labeled as being an Ultimate Collector Series set but I see it as a Sculpture line set but the way it's labeled I guess it can be called an Ultimate Collector Series line Sculpture set and that would be okay with me if it was labeled, announced and advertised as such but to me it's a Sculpture set. I would have loved to see that R2-D2 Sculpture from that other "Guess how many parts it's made of?" contest I'll admitt. ;) Sweden - The One... And Only.

jipay You're starting to get the hang of it all dude. *Laughs* ;) I'm not "that" bloody serious at all about what I'm saying but those are my opinnions about the Ultimate Collector Series and System sets lines and I mainly do this just for the fun of it because there's nothing like a good arguing and then again it's an very interesting subject to talk and discuss about as you do say. :) I don't know either if we'll find answers to my questions as the Ultimate Collector Series line has changed so very much over the years and then again The LEGO Group can't talk about the past, present of future of this Star Wars line but look over at Sir Steve's Star Wars Guide as I try to get an answer from LEGOGurl. *devil* Some things just shouldn't be taken or considered as a question of life or death. *Laughs* ;) However, I do love to stir up the pot everyonce in a while. Sweden - The One... And Only.

jipay Well, I think the main problem is that in your mind System sets are UCS scale models when they're not. :/ I'll quote myself from the Sir Steve's Star Wars Guide Forums: "It's hilarious you know... During the almost six years that I've collected the LEGO Star Wars line or more correctly during the five years I've visited AFOL communities I've seen people whine and complain much more worse then me about sets like the Millennium Falcon and Imperial Shuttle for example being way to <insert that tiresome argument> by The LEGO Group and how they've dreamed about sets being in scale with each other and even being released as Ultimate Collector Series model sets. Then when I make an more intelligent post about this to start an interesting conversation then the usual god damn "I'm the best, You're the best, He's the best, What sets should I buy?, What sets shouldn't I buy?, What's the piece count of this and that?" boring crap posts everyone seem to have forgotten what they said before and to make matters even worse they don't even read what I just wrote and tell me something I never ever said or wrote. To me and the way the Ultimate Collector Series was and is announced and even advertised this line is "supposed" to be scale models of different Star Wars subjects but in LEGO form built as close to scale and as detailed as is possible compared to the original filming miniatures and for different type of subjects different kind of scales were going to be used for this Star Wars line. I've never ever asked for or wanted the Imperial Star Destroyer to be in the same scale as the X-Wing Fighter becuase that's simply "not" possible but what I wanted was that the one and two man fighter sets in the Ultimate Collector Series should be in scale with each other and nothing else and I never ever even wanted the Rebel Blockade Runner to be in the same scale as the Imperial Star Destroyer because that's also impossible but people do think and say to me that it's what I said I wanted when I actually didn't. I've said before that I actually do know that The LEGO Group is ultimately a toy producer and I do know that they occasionally make models but I've never ever said that they should make "all" the Ultimate Collector Series sets in one single scale so you got it "all" wrong but as The LEGO Group entered the model kit market with their "LEGO" models they should make the best of it and produce real scale models if they do want to enter that market piece. What I'm saying is that they shouldn't announce and advertise about them making scale models and try to get a piece of the model kit market unless they do it the right way because that's the smart thing to do if they actually want to find a new market amongst the model kit builders that might just love to buy a Star Wars LEGO model to re-live their childhood days of building LEGO and get a break from the kitbuilding and gluesniffing they "always" do." End quote. You go and take a look at the Ultimate Collector Series line at the Shop at Home website and then tell me what they're actually announced and advertised as and what you'll see is that they're called "models" and a model of something is a model of something and that means that the models are scale and detail models of the original objects no matter how you do twist and turn them around for all eternity in every direction. I mean, if the Ultimate Collector Series 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer "wasn't" indeed a scale model of the original filming miniature seen in the movie the set "could've" been as wide as it's long and as long as it's wide but it "doesn't" have those meassurements or proportion and that's another reason making it a so called "model" and take a close look at how close the LEGO designers got the "model" looking like the so called original filming miniature considering it's "made" of LEGO parts and you'll see that it's a scale model. The System sets are on the other hand "not" scale models in any way at all but more of "interpretations" of the original objects mainly because they're made for a certain price point and that "means" that scale and details are indeed "sacrificed" for that simple reason and then again the System sets are indeed aimed at the children and the younger teenagers that do have smaller wallets and are happy to be able get a set at all and therefore the System sets are not made in scale or even in scale with each other as some sets are heavily "<insert that tiresome argument>" as for example the Millennium Falcon and the Imperial Shuttle sets to name just a few. Sweden - The One... And Only.

David85 It's not that easy at all as the price for those set in Sweden are close to $200.00 each. *Laughs* ;) But I'm glad to see that you consider those sets as System scale sets. ;) Yeah, they put things in dumb places on the website all the time as I've seen that myself from time to time. jipay As David85 said... It's not a matter of wether I like this or not but a matter of what it actually is. It's still a System scale set simply because it has mini figures and simply because it's scaled for them and the simple reason for it having the five digit number is simply because it's a Shop at Home Exclusive and Exclusives are given those and then again it was never ever announced or even advertised as a UCS set. A small note... Some of you "might" consider me to be an a*****e and an son of a female canine but there's nothing like a damn good arguing everyonce in a while and this is just for fun and it's an real interesting conversation so look upon it from the bright side of life *Enter the Monty Python tune here* as I'm really an good guy indeed. ;) Sweden - The One... And Only.

Darkkazmo So sorry to disappoint you but I've kind of lost my arguing skills from my leave of two years. *Laughs* ;) jipay Of course, who in their right mind would want to have another Luke Skywalker mini figure? Well, I do. I've got no pilots for my two Ultimate Collector Series X-Wing Fighters you know. *Laughs* Well, I don't agree as Ultimate Collector Series is defined in itself and The LEGO Group has announced what it actually is even if they as I said before messed up the concept and Ultimate means something ultimate and more special then the ordinary product and Collector Series adds up to all that in my opinnion you see. You say that 10123 Cloud City is a System scale set but that it's Ultimate Collector Series but as far as I do remember The LEGO Group never ever announced it as such but just a Shop at Home Exclusive and as far as I'm concerned the myth of it being such was just because the five digit number that means Exclusive. Yes, the Jawa Sandcrawler has a five digit number and is a System scale set as well as being a Shop at Home exclusive and therefore having the five digit number as The LEGO Group for some reason doesn't think it's suitable for retail stores but that just makes it a very expensive System set and S&H exclusive. I'm still waiting for the answer as to when The LEGO Group announced this "New" UCS line... *Laughs* I'm very excited to see if that Jawa Sandcrawler is like that wonderful prototype "System" set. *wub* Sweden - The One... And Only.

Darkkazmo On request here comes another one of my endless posts. *Laughs* ;) jipay I actually think that the Ultimate Collector Series 7191 X-Wing Fighter could have made a great System set as it did include a System R2-D2 mini figure and if The LEGO Group only had included the Luke Skywalker mini figure because then this wonderful System set would have been the new and improved System line. Just kidding with you... *Laughs* ;) The two System sets of 4483 AT-AT and 4504 Millennium Falcon aren't Ulitmate Collector Series sets just because they don't have the five digit number but because they include mini figures and because the sets are scaled for the mini figures so these two sets aren't nothing else but System or mini figure scale sets. As far as I know the only reason some of the sets on Shop at Home are given five digit numbers is simply because they're Shop at Home Exclusives that aren't available in retail stores and therefore they're given these five digit numbers as an sort of identification number for either themselves and/or the customers. Guess what? My all time favorite Ultimate Collector Series set is: 7115 Gungan Patrol. Guess what again? My all time favorite System set is: 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer. Just kidding with you again... *Laughs* What I'm trying to say is that the System scale and Ultimate Collector Series scale is two totally different concepts created by The LEGO Group and in order to be able to expand these two and brand new markets they should be treated like two totally different entities because that's real smart to do business wise. I mean, look at for example McFarlane Toys that makes the 6 inch figure line Movie Maniacs but that also makes 12 and 18 inch figures and to them Movie Maniacs are just the 6 inch figure concept while the 12 and 18 inch figures are two totally diffent concepts so then why can't The LEGO Group do the same at all? The LEGO Group had several totally different and great Star Wars LEGO concepts but they messed it all up. By the way... When did The LEGO Group officially announce this "New" Ultimate Collector Series line? ;) Sweden - The One... And Only.

David85 I truly wish it were "that" easy as you say but then 4504 Millennium Falcon, 4483 AT-AT and 10123 Cloud City could be considered "Ultimate Collector Series" but they're "not" as they're nothing else but System or Mini Figure scale sets simply because they include mini figures and the sets are indeed scaled for them. There's nothing "Ultimate Collector Series" about them at all. Just that they're real expensive System sets. I agree, I don't consider 10026 Naboo Fighter either to be a "Ultimate Collector Series" model set but for the simple reasons that there's nothing ultimate about it even if it looks real good but in my opinnion it's just a System scale set the way the Naboo Fighter "should've" been done in System scale in the first place. Cool that you joined us in this discussion with your thoughts about it all. Thank you. Sweden - The One... And Only.

Darkkazmo Yeah, it's really hilarious to see how totally trivial subjects basically can start an bloody Internet war and how some people raise themselves above the rest like they were Gods and how people in a community are willing to bend over and kiss some serious a** just to be able to say "I'm a part of this glorious thing." This phenomenon can unfortunately also be seen at the model kit communities that I visit from time to time and as you say it's common in every hobby or profession and to me it's a real sad fact because wether it's a job or a hobby we should all get along as good as possible and make the very best possible out of it all. But that's called U T O P I A. Anyhow, glad to be appriciated. ;) Sweden - The One... And Only.

On the Shop at Home website in the US of A the price for the Ultimate Collector Series 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer is set at $299.00 and the same goes for the 10143 Death Star II and as the price for the first one in Swedish Kroner is 3390.00 kroner then the second one will have the same price one can assume. One US Dollar is approximately 7 Swedish Kroner. So the Swedish price of 3390.00 Kroner for each of these two sets divided by 7 is: $485.00. The price for the "Ultimate Collector Series" 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer and 10143 Death Star II in US Dollars are $299.00 while the Swedish price in US Dollars is bloody $485.00 so isn't it great to be a Swede and that Death Star II Model Set isn't even worth half of the Imperial Star Destroyer being so damn crappy. Even if I'm a completist I've got real strong second and third thoughts about the Death Star II... >:( Sweden - The One... And Only.

Darkkazmo Man, where the hell have I been? I dunno. *Laughs* ;) Well, when I about five years ago stumbled on all these model kit and toy websites with communities that had discussion forums I thought it'd be cool to try them out not that I've got a real need to talk about all of my hobbies but as none of my friends share the same interests as me I thought I'd give all this a chance. As you know and as some of you other guys might remember I got into a real fight with Mr. Tim Saup

jipay They now they got a real bad stinker with this set so they need the six moths to re-design it. *Laughs* Sweden - The One... And Only.

ApophisV On behalf of us all we're glad to please you. :^^ Sweden - The One... (Who simply can't shut up) And Only.