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Because Lego Ideas is promoted as a place to share Lego Ideas in hopes of one of yours becoming a real set, it is not promoted as a place where you can (nay, need to) engage social media spamming.

Really? This is on the how it works page.

Gather Support—10,000 supporters qualifies your project for review.

Tell everyone you know (and even those you don’t know) to support your project. 10,000 is a big number, but it’s doable if you have a great project and some old-fashioned persistence. The best results come from knowing how to ask for support from the right fan sites, blogs, and online communities.

It is fairly obvious that they want YOU to get the support. Just uploading an idea is not enough.

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It's jokes and rubbish ideas like this that need culling. Anything that doesn't get 100 in the first month should be removed to declutter the site.

That would have eliminated various projects that languished in obscurity for a while before being "discovered" and suddenly getting the votes they need, or at least a lot more in a short time.

We already have a time limit now for accruing the necessary supporters - a triple limit, actually, since there are three deadlines to hit. I really don't think we need monthly quotas (or weekly, daily, hourly, etc.) on top of that.

I guess the problem here is, if you don't believe in the project enough to (or cannot be bothered to) promote it, then why should it get any more passive attention than any other project submitted to the site? How would the website know of the projects merits more than any other project? They can highlight fast risers (but for this you need to get initial votes), staff picks (but this needs knowledgable staff intervention, etc), but if the submitter is not going to do any work to promote the project, which is part of the process, then why should they get rewarded?

Shayd specifically indicated that project is an experiment to see how such projects perform. (S)he isn't saying that it should be rewarded; they're trying to determine how rewarded it will be under those conditions.

Confirmation that there are more Ghostbusters sets on the way: https://twitter.com/paulfeig/status/684921637074911232. Could this be a sign that the Marshmallow Man got approved?

"Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!" What was originally there?

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"Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!" What was originally there?

I have a feeling Mr Feige has said something he wasn't supposed to say... :wink:

Basically, he referred to unannounced LEGO sets in a reply to a tweeter joking about how much he was going to spend on Ghostbusters merchandise this year. Along the lines of 'You're wallet's going to weep even more once you see the LEGO'.

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Here's my set, although I did it more as a joke really:

https://ideas.lego.c...106366/comments

The cheese has as many supporters as my project. Should have made a rat vehicle using Splinter instead of the raccoon car. Then I could have gotten Chima fans, Turtle fans, and fans of the cheese project. :)

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The cheese has as many supporters as my project. Should have made a rat vehicle using Splinter instead of the raccoon car. Then I could have gotten Chima fans, Turtle fans, and fans of the cheese project. :)

I think the cheese project is a little niche currently. :wink:

Edited by LEGODalekbuster523

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"Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!" What was originally there?

Yikes! The comment was about there being more from LEGO on the way. "Just an FYI." And then something about saying sorry to their wallet.

edit: Problem solved.

Edited by Fritzy

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Shayd specifically indicated that project is an experiment to see how such projects perform. (S)he isn't saying that it should be rewarded; they're trying to determine how rewarded it will be under those conditions.

There are many current projects doing the same thing. Uploaded then essentially left to make their own way (to nowhere).

I guess the problem here is the definition of rewarded. To me, it is getting to 10000 and getting selected. An alternative is gettnig to 10000 and getting some recognition (but maybe not getting accepted). Another still is just the vote count.

To me, getting to 5000 is just as useless as getting to 50. Ultimately both are a fail, even though one is clearly better supported than the other.

Edited by MAB

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There are many current projects doing the same thing. Uploaded then essentially left to make their own way (to nowhere).

I guess the problem here is the definition of rewarded. To me, it is getting to 10000 and getting selected. An alternative is gettnig to 10000 and getting some recognition (but maybe not getting accepted). Another still is just the vote count.

To me, getting to 5000 is just as useless as getting to 50. Ultimately both are a fail, even though one is clearly better supported than the other.

Even a project that doesn't get accepted can have an effect on the ones that do, though, but it's hard to measure that. A project that gets a lot of votes but not all the ones it needs can offer valuable clues about what it might take to get all the way to 10000. Or a project that gets all those votes but doesn't get selected might still have an effect on what does (look at Ghostbusters and Doctor Who, where on two different occasions two different projects covering the same subject matter wound up in the same review batches; in each case one was picked, presumably at least partly because having not just one but two versions of those subjects make it to 10k at the same time demonstrated great interest - conceivably, if either subject had gotten a single project instead of two, TLG might not selected it, having less evidence of its market appeal).

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Incidentally, Shayd's project isn't up yet, despite having been submitted on the 6th; the last group of projects posted went up two days later, on the 8th (yesterday). For all those who have submitted projects (especially multiple projects), hoe long does it normally take for them to get posted? I see there were an awful lot of projects for one day yesterday - 47, unless I've miscounted. I wonder if the Ideas staff is working through a backlog...

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I saw an article yesterday about the National Park Service submission on Ideas. Being an avid hiker and often going to the parks, I was interested in finding out more about it. After seeing the photos of it, I really was not "wowed" by it. Arguably, two of the three parks depicted are rather obscure for most people. I know the designer has in mind the park anniversary this year to help promote it, but perhaps they should have gone with more familiar features like Old Faithful, Half Dome, or a redwood tree.

It also makes me wonder if Lego will always consider Ideas sets to be somewhat exclusive and largely limit their presence to a few stores like Toys R US and Lego stores? If the NPS set was to be approved, it would seem like these would be best sold at the park gift shops in addition to the usual places. I would think in this case especially, excluding actual parks from being able to sell them would hurt sales. Just my opinion of course.

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Quite possible. I've said before that I thought they could do well offering things like the Curiosity Rover in science museum gift shops and the like.

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"Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!" What was originally there?

Just realized this was my fault. I had a period at the end of it. Thought the tweet had to be removed for legal reasons, but when I came across it again, I realized my mistake.

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I saw an article yesterday about the National Park Service submission on Ideas. Being an avid hiker and often going to the parks, I was interested in finding out more about it. After seeing the photos of it, I really was not "wowed" by it. Arguably, two of the three parks depicted are rather obscure for most people. I know the designer has in mind the park anniversary this year to help promote it, but perhaps they should have gone with more familiar features like Old Faithful, Half Dome, or a redwood tree.

It also makes me wonder if Lego will always consider Ideas sets to be somewhat exclusive and largely limit their presence to a few stores like Toys R US and Lego stores? If the NPS set was to be approved, it would seem like these would be best sold at the park gift shops in addition to the usual places. I would think in this case especially, excluding actual parks from being able to sell them would hurt sales. Just my opinion of course.

If they were going through all the contracts to sell such sets in specific locations, it wouldn't surprise me if they did it outside if Lego ideas. Those sets would have little interest outside of the US, and would do better sold over a long period of time in a specific location, rather than the shirt 3-6 months (even 12) that non-licensed ideas sets seem to get.

They could also the negotiate with the parks which they think would sell and at what price points.

But it is too late for the anniversary. If they were to have such a partnership, it would have been negotiated a couple of years ago to be in time.

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Quite possible. I've said before that I thought they could do well offering things like the Curiosity Rover in science museum gift shops and the like.

Or they could actually offer the Curiosity Rover for sale. :tongue:

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Incidentally, Shayd's project isn't up yet, despite having been submitted on the 6th; the last group of projects posted went up two days later, on the 8th (yesterday). For all those who have submitted projects (especially multiple projects), hoe long does it normally take for them to get posted? I see there were an awful lot of projects for one day yesterday - 47, unless I've miscounted. I wonder if the Ideas staff is working through a backlog...

And now I see there were an amazing 51 additional projects posted today (!), I believe, and Shayd's train still isn't among them. I really wonder about that possible backlog I mentioned earlier. Granted, we just had the weekend (when stuff is submitted but not posted), but still...

Edited by Blondie-Wan

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Why are we seemingly deliberately promoting a project that the creator is trying to not promote?

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The creator is trying to see how well it will do compared to his (?) other projects without the direct promotion (s)he gave them; it has nothing to do with whether we promote it or not.

Of course, it also will hardly prove definitive of anything, since each project is different, and appeals for different reasons; plain old luck also plays a huge role (as we saw with the Golden Girls projects, when the last of three projects inspired by the show somehow got "discovered" by mainstream media and promoted within an inch of its life, garnering more than half the votes it needed in a single day after being around just s couple months or so, while a predecessor project that was exceedingly similar somehow didn't get nearly as much notice). But I'm sure Shayd is also well aware of all this, too, and it won't diminish how interesting the results of this experiment.

Beyond that, Shayd is clearly a talented builder, so naturally some of us are keen to see the project (and, perhaps, support it) purely because of that. Certainly the train fans here are going to want to see more nice train sets in general, whether they come from Ideas or elsewhere, right?

And speaking for myself, since I gather your post was partly a response specifically to my previous one, I'm also interested in not just Shayd's project, but also Ideas in general, including the submission process. As I haven't yet submitted any of my own projects yet (though I've finally begun building my first, after years of getting distracted by the rest of day-to-day life), I'm naturally curious about the actual process itself. One of the facets of the process in which I'm interested is how long it takes something to get posted, particularly given that Shayd reported submitting six days ago and the project isn't there yet (though perhaps it will be later today). I noted how many projects were posted Friday and Monday, and speculated about the Ideas team working through a backlog. That's discussion not just of Shayd's project itself specifically, but about LEGO Ideas in general.

I'm curious about how long my own projects, when I finally get them done and submitted, will languish unseen on LEGO's servers before finally appearing. I'm curious about the large number of projects appearing the last couple days they were posted (was there a spike in submissions around / because of the holidays? Of because of the new LEGO Ideas campaign push?). I'm curious about how many additional projects there might be that aren't getting posted because they don't meet the various standards. I'm curious about pretty much anything and everything having to do with LEGO Ideas (and of course this is the principal thread in which we discuss such matters). None of this has anything to do with Shayd's project, but that project's journey through the submission process might offer some clues about at least one or two of these questions, since we'll be able to see how many days passed between Shayd submitting it and the Ideas team finally posting it.

Edited by Blondie-Wan

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I've only submitted one project. It was approved 3 days later. It was submitted on a Sunday but it was Christmas weekend. So it was a long weekend which could have meant more submitters. Or it could have meant less submitters due to the holiday. I too am curious about how long things take to get approved and how many are required to resubmit. You can look at the project numbers to see how many numbers are missing. I looked a little to see how close they were to rejecting or approving mine before it was finally approved.

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Why are we seemingly deliberately promoting a project that the creator is trying to not promote?

This could be a case of un-intended reverse psychology. Tell people you don't want something done and they do the opposite. :classic:

Like running for election, you get or convince people to do the promo work for you. It is a lot of work for one person to hit every place where there might be voters for your project.

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A bunch more projects were posted today, and I still don't see Shayd's train. Shayd, have you gotten any communication from TLG about your project yet?

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Can you post a link to your ideas project in your signature or is that not encouraged?

I don't know that it's "encouraged", but it does at least seem to be tolerated. Plenty of people have them in their sigs, IIRC.

We've gotten conflicting information from mods about how we can otherwise share our CUUSOO/ Ideas projects here. We were told a while back that it would actually be okay to post our own projects as long as we didn't spam them repeatedly, and if you go back to the earlier posts in this thread (or its CUUSOO predecessor), you see a lot of people posting links to their own projects, but lately you get things like this shortly after anyone does:

Posted 29 December 2015 - 07:33 AM

Hi, I hope everyone has had a nice Christmas.

I have submitted my Lego Ideas project, and was hoping to gather some support and/or comments on the project.

Edited by Rick, 02 January 2016 - 10:20 AM.

Please read our Site Guidelines regarding LEGO Ideas projects

(bolding added for emphasis)

If you go look at those site guidelines it says this:

LEGO Ideas: If you have a great MOC, that is also a LEGO Ideas project, you may present it on EB as you would any MOC, with a single link to the Ideas entry. Make the title about the MOC, not the Ideas business; don't be too shouty, and it is likely to be tolerated. You need to be thinking: 'I want people on EB to see my MOC and comment on it. If they like it, perhaps they'll support it on LEGO Ideas', rather than: 'I want Ideas support! If I post it on EB, perhaps more people will vote!.

I always took this to mean one could post a topic about one's project/MOC, in addition to posting about it in the CUUSOO / Ideas thread - i.e., here (where it's both relevant to the discussion and was also previously stated to be okay, IIRC) - but the mods now usually seem to disagree, and they generally (though not always) edit others' posts if they contain links to the authors' projects, and remove said links. Oh, well. :/

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