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At risk of being stoned by a virtual bagload of boat hulls, I have to say i am putting high hopes for the beatles submarine, and that's just because it might come with a guitar element. But those results are about half a year away.

No worries about a stoning - clearly at least 10,000 people would like that one, after all. It's one of the ones for which I'm most hopeful, myself.

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Of those 9, most of the ones that aren't too big rely on licencing and could therefore easily fail anyway. Then there's the national park one which is far too region specific to have worldwide appeal.

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Of those 9, most of the ones that aren't too big rely on licencing and could therefore easily fail anyway. Then there's the national park one which is far too region specific to have worldwide appeal.

They already have the Jurassic Park license plus it's the right size, so I reckon the Jurassic Park Explorer stands a very good chance.

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Possibly, but it's also possible the fact it's an active license means it's less likely to pass, since there's already an agreement in place that prescribes what can be made and, perhaps, how it can come about. We don't know for sure, but conceivably the terms of the agreement might prevent LEGO from releasing a set based on a concept by an outside third party.

It's worth noting there have been several Ideas projects based on existing licensed themes - both inactive and active, including a few projects based on themes that started with earlier Ideas projects that did get approved, like Ghostbusters and Back to the Future - and so far, not one such project based on an existing theme has ever been approved.

That doesn't mean it's flat-out impossible, either - most if not all of those previous projects had other, obvious strikes against them (such as being too large), and I myself actually intend to submit some Star Wars projects of my own. I just know I should keep my expectations in check.

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Possibly, but it's also possible the fact it's an active license means it's less likely to pass, since there's already an agreement in place that prescribes what can be made and, perhaps, how it can come about. We don't know for sure, but conceivably the terms of the agreement might prevent LEGO from releasing a set based on a concept by an outside third party.

It's worth noting there have been several Ideas projects based on existing licensed themes - both inactive and active, including a few projects based on themes that started with earlier Ideas projects that did get approved, like Ghostbusters and Back to the Future - and so far, not one such project based on an existing theme has ever been approved.

That doesn't mean it's flat-out impossible, either - most if not all of those previous projects had other, obvious strikes against them (such as being too large), and I myself actually intend to submit some Star Wars projects of my own. I just know I should keep my expectations in check.

Good point, although if Ideas sets based on existing licenses won't ever be made you'd think they would specify it themselves.

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Good point, although if Ideas sets based on existing licenses won't ever be made you'd think they would specify it themselves.

There is no official statement saying existing Licences can't be made, just very unlikely.

The thing is, the reason why they don't specify, is that when creators advertise their models on social media its big brands like Star Wars, Doctor Who and Jurassic Park that grab the public's eye and motivates them to go and visit the site themselves. So in turn, it not only creates potential supporters for the creators model but traffic foe the site itself.

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I know for certain I would buy the Nautilus.

My brother (Also a user here, although barely active.) would almost certainly like the Concorde and the Saturn V to be made.

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I think all nine are fine projects (in fact, I supported every one of them), but the three that move me most are the HMS Beagle, the Apollo - Saturn V, and the Yellow Submarine (which is actually something I'd wanted to submit myself for a long time, but never got around to it).

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I think all nine are fine projects (in fact, I supported every one of them), but the three that move me most are the HMS Beagle, the Apollo - Saturn V, and the Yellow Submarine (which is actually something I'd wanted to submit myself for a long time, but never got around to it).

Yes! I too would like to see the Yellow Submarine.

The Beagle and Apollo I would also buy depending on the price.

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I decided a while back that,other than buying the end products, I was pretty much done with Ideas. I'd been with it since the early days of Cuusoo and watched the rules and expectations change, watched a lot of good projects get lost in the noise and clutter of "non-starters" and, in general, gotten very disillusioned with the whole thing. There have been a number of good kits to come out of the pipeline, but the cynical side of me thinks that Ideas has becomes more about guerilla marketing than about genuine crowd-sourcing. It wasn't so much about, "share your great idea" as much as it was about "go on social media and talk about Lego." Granted the nominal reason why you'd be burning social capital on Twitter, Facebook, Pintrest, etc. is to gain support for _your_ project, but at the end of the day its the Lego brand that gets the most exposure and free press.

Of course, no sooner had I decided to swear off Ideas, than people started nagging me about submitting stuff (and resubmitting projects that had expired). After a year of turing people down and seeing the Ideas people pushing for non-IP proposals, I've decided to try a little experiment. This evening, I submitted a little non-IP-related kit (that's of sufficient quality to have won an award already), has a comparable part count to existing/successful Ideas sets with crossover audience appeal ( in this case, model trains). I plan on advertising none of this personally. I won't be pandering for votes in any of my usual internet haunts, I won't be posting links to it all over the web and, to be honest, if the whole thing ends up stillborn, I'm okay with that. I'm just going to track its support (or lack thereof) and compare it to the data I have from the days when I _was_ actively pushing some IP-related, quasi-popular stuff. I wonder how the curves will compare.

Can a generic idea with no cult following and no active backing from its creator get noticed and sustain itself amid all the noise of weak projects and hub-bub of IP-related, 15,000 piece MOCs, or will it slip quietly off the end of "Most Recents" page 1, never to be seen or heard from again? I guess only time will tell.

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I decided a while back that,other than buying the end products, I was pretty much done with Ideas. I'd been with it since the early days of Cuusoo and watched the rules and expectations change, watched a lot of good projects get lost in the noise and clutter of "non-starters" and, in general, gotten very disillusioned with the whole thing. There have been a number of good kits to come out of the pipeline, but the cynical side of me thinks that Ideas has becomes more about guerilla marketing than about genuine crowd-sourcing. It wasn't so much about, "share your great idea" as much as it was about "go on social media and talk about Lego." Granted the nominal reason why you'd be burning social capital on Twitter, Facebook, Pintrest, etc. is to gain support for _your_ project, but at the end of the day its the Lego brand that gets the most exposure and free press.

Of course, no sooner had I decided to swear off Ideas, than people started nagging me about submitting stuff (and resubmitting projects that had expired). After a year of turing people down and seeing the Ideas people pushing for non-IP proposals, I've decided to try a little experiment. This evening, I submitted a little non-IP-related kit (that's of sufficient quality to have won an award already), has a comparable part count to existing/successful Ideas sets with crossover audience appeal ( in this case, model trains). I plan on advertising none of this personally. I won't be pandering for votes in any of my usual internet haunts, I won't be posting links to it all over the web and, to be honest, if the whole thing ends up stillborn, I'm okay with that. I'm just going to track its support (or lack thereof) and compare it to the data I have from the days when I _was_ actively pushing some IP-related, quasi-popular stuff. I wonder how the curves will compare.

Can a generic idea with no cult following and no active backing from its creator get noticed and sustain itself amid all the noise of weak projects and hub-bub of IP-related, 15,000 piece MOCs, or will it slip quietly off the end of "Most Recents" page 1, never to be seen or heard from again? I guess only time will tell.

Is this your set:

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/126000

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Of that list I would potentially be interested in the Saturn 5 Rocket, the Concorde and maybe the National Park Service.

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I decided a while back that,other than buying the end products, I was pretty much done with Ideas. I'd been with it since the early days of Cuusoo and watched the rules and expectations change, watched a lot of good projects get lost in the noise and clutter of "non-starters" and, in general, gotten very disillusioned with the whole thing. There have been a number of good kits to come out of the pipeline, but the cynical side of me thinks that Ideas has becomes more about guerilla marketing than about genuine crowd-sourcing. It wasn't so much about, "share your great idea" as much as it was about "go on social media and talk about Lego." Granted the nominal reason why you'd be burning social capital on Twitter, Facebook, Pintrest, etc. is to gain support for _your_ project, but at the end of the day its the Lego brand that gets the most exposure and free press.

Of course, no sooner had I decided to swear off Ideas, than people started nagging me about submitting stuff (and resubmitting projects that had expired). After a year of turing people down and seeing the Ideas people pushing for non-IP proposals, I've decided to try a little experiment. This evening, I submitted a little non-IP-related kit (that's of sufficient quality to have won an award already), has a comparable part count to existing/successful Ideas sets with crossover audience appeal ( in this case, model trains). I plan on advertising none of this personally. I won't be pandering for votes in any of my usual internet haunts, I won't be posting links to it all over the web and, to be honest, if the whole thing ends up stillborn, I'm okay with that. I'm just going to track its support (or lack thereof) and compare it to the data I have from the days when I _was_ actively pushing some IP-related, quasi-popular stuff. I wonder how the curves will compare.

Can a generic idea with no cult following and no active backing from its creator get noticed and sustain itself amid all the noise of weak projects and hub-bub of IP-related, 15,000 piece MOCs, or will it slip quietly off the end of "Most Recents" page 1, never to be seen or heard from again? I guess only time will tell.

You might become a "staff pick" but that isn't enough to get a quality project 1,000 votes let alone 10k. More than likely without your own push it will get a couple hundred votes, maybe 500 if really good, and be archived in a year.

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If so, I'll say this much:

It's a great looking train. One of the best I've seen. But I find it to be boring. No offense, and maybe I'm not the type to get excited about trains anyways, but there's nothing that speaks to me and says that this should definitely be made into a set.

If it gets the votes, congratulations. I sincerely hope that it is successful.

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Nope, but that's a nice looking engine and I'd probably buy one if it ever made it through the gauntlet.

Mine has a more festive color scheme ( I wasn't even trying for realism ) and is done with actual bricks and photography rather than a digital model.

You might become a "staff pick" but that isn't enough to get a quality project 1,000 votes let alone 10k. More than likely without your own push it will get a couple hundred votes, maybe 500 if really good, and be archived in a year.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if it made it that far. I'm really more interested in the rate at which it fades away, not the outcome. I kept data on all my other projects. My most successful proposal was archived a bit shy of 5k votes and was picking up support at a rate of about 50 a day - I lobbied heavily for that one (even posting to non-lego forums in three languages ). It stared strong (over 100 votes in the first six hours) tapered off and then resurged once I started pushing it outside of the AFOL community. My least successful project took three months to get to 100 votes and barely saw any action at all after that. Of the projects I had that _didn't_ make it to the 1K mark, all but one of them saw 2/3 of their eventual support in the first week on the site.

As I said, I don't expect this project to "succeed" nor do I expect it to be particularly popular. I'm just curious to see how a non-IP based proposal fares on its own merits and, to a lesser extent, how the site's search engine does with putting it in front of people's eyes without me pushing people directly at it. If I'm a user who supports one train, does it offer me this one as a consideration? Etc.

Sure it would be nice if it actually succeeded and found an audience, but I don't expect that to happen. It's just a disposable Idea proposed in order to get some data.

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I decided a while back that,other than buying the end products, I was pretty much done with Ideas. I'd been with it since the early days of Cuusoo and watched the rules and expectations change, watched a lot of good projects get lost in the noise and clutter of "non-starters" and, in general, gotten very disillusioned with the whole thing. There have been a number of good kits to come out of the pipeline, but the cynical side of me thinks that Ideas has becomes more about guerilla marketing than about genuine crowd-sourcing. It wasn't so much about, "share your great idea" as much as it was about "go on social media and talk about Lego." Granted the nominal reason why you'd be burning social capital on Twitter, Facebook, Pintrest, etc. is to gain support for _your_ project, but at the end of the day its the Lego brand that gets the most exposure and free press.

To a large extent, this was my experience with CUUSOO/Ideas as well. I submitted a handful of things, but none went very far (I don't really participate on social media--EB and an occasional fave on Flickr is about as far as I go). But I found the whole process tiresome and that it was changing the way I MOCced--I no longer made things because I wanted to or for aesthetics, but because I was trying to create a "project". Not that that's a bad thing, but it didn't fit me personally and made me a lot more cynical. I voluntarily deleted my projects from CUUSOO months before the transition, and never really have come around to Ideas much, although I do keep up with this thread because I find it interesting.

I am curious as to what happens with your experiment,so please come back and post it.

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Here's my set, although I did it more as a joke really:

https://ideas.lego.c...106366/comments

"The LEGO Group have never done sets based on food before." Yes they have.

It's jokes and rubbish ideas like this that need culling. Anything that doesn't get 100 in the first month should be removed to declutter the site.

As I said, I don't expect this project to "succeed" nor do I expect it to be particularly popular. I'm just curious to see how a non-IP based proposal fares on its own merits and, to a lesser extent, how the site's search engine does with putting it in front of people's eyes without me pushing people directly at it. If I'm a user who supports one train, does it offer me this one as a consideration? Etc.

I guess the problem here is, if you don't believe in the project enough to (or cannot be bothered to) promote it, then why should it get any more passive attention than any other project submitted to the site? How would the website know of the projects merits more than any other project? They can highlight fast risers (but for this you need to get initial votes), staff picks (but this needs knowledgable staff intervention, etc), but if the submitter is not going to do any work to promote the project, which is part of the process, then why should they get rewarded?

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I guess the problem here is, if you don't believe in the project enough to (or cannot be bothered to) promote it, then why should it get any more passive attention than any other project submitted to the site? How would the website know of the projects merits more than any other project? They can highlight fast risers (but for this you need to get initial votes), staff picks (but this needs knowledgable staff intervention, etc), but if the submitter is not going to do any work to promote the project, which is part of the process, then why should they get rewarded?

Because Lego Ideas is promoted as a place to share Lego Ideas in hopes of one of yours becoming a real set, it is not promoted as a place where you can (nay, need to) engage social media spamming.

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