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Hello everyone, I was wondering if I could get some opinions from you. I was never really a fan of X-men, but I watched First Class in 2012 and enjoyed it. I thought that DoFP looked good, so I watched the first five movies on TV recently. I liked them except I thought Origins: Wolverine and X3 weren't too good. I wasn't able to watch The Wolverine on TV though and was wondering if it is necessary to watch it before DoFP. I'm not sure if explains about the cure not working permanently or how Professor X comes back to life. If someone can answer me that would be great, thanks! :classic:

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Hello everyone, I was wondering if I could get some opinions from you. I was never really a fan of X-men, but I watched First Class in 2012 and enjoyed it. I thought that DoFP looked good, so I watched the first five movies on TV recently. I liked them except I thought Origins: Wolverine and X3 weren't too good. I wasn't able to watch The Wolverine on TV though and was wondering if it is necessary to watch it before DoFP. I'm not sure if explains about the cure not working permanently or how Professor X comes back to life. If someone can answer me that would be great, thanks! :classic:

Your viewing experience might actually be better by not watching The Wolverine right away. There are a few discrepancies between it and DoFP. It is not necessary to watch in order to enjoy DoFP.

As for Professor X, the after credit scene from The Last Stand shows him putting his mind into a comatose patient. Lastly, the cure is shown to not be permanent. Magneto is able to manipulate a chess piece at the end of The Last Stand.

Despite what I said, I still recommend The Wolverine. It is a nice, personnel tale of Wolverine dealing with the ramifications of the third film. I also highly recommend DoFP, it is one of the better superhero movies to have come out recently.

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Hello everyone, I was wondering if I could get some opinions from you. I was never really a fan of X-men, but I watched First Class in 2012 and enjoyed it. I thought that DoFP looked good, so I watched the first five movies on TV recently. I liked them except I thought Origins: Wolverine and X3 weren't too good. I wasn't able to watch The Wolverine on TV though and was wondering if it is necessary to watch it before DoFP. I'm not sure if explains about the cure not working permanently or how Professor X comes back to life. If someone can answer me that would be great, thanks! :classic:

I don't think it's really necessary. I enjoyed it, but it's not essential. Doesn't explain anything about the cure or Professor X. I believe there was a credits scene for X3 where it explain how Prof X was alive but it really didn't explain anything at all.

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Your viewing experience might actually be better by not watching The Wolverine right away. There are a few discrepancies between it and DoFP. It is not necessary to watch in order to enjoy DoFP.

As for Professor X, the after credit scene from The Last Stand shows him putting his mind into a comatose patient. Lastly, the cure is shown to not be permanent. Magneto is able to manipulate a chess piece at the end of The Last Stand.

Despite what I said, I still recommend The Wolverine. It is a nice, personnel tale of Wolverine dealing with the ramifications of the third film. I also highly recommend DoFP, it is one of the better superhero movies to have come out recently.

I don't think it's really necessary. I enjoyed it, but it's not essential. Doesn't explain anything about the cure or Professor X. I believe there was a credits scene for X3 where it explain how Prof X was alive but it really didn't explain anything at all.

Thanks! I hope to watch it eventually, but I won't wait to watch DoFP. I remember Magneto moving the chess piece, but the post-credits scene of X3 might have been cut for time on the TV version. I hope DoFP gives more character to the mutants. One of the big things I didn't like about X3 was that it didn't introduce many characters for people who aren't that familiar with the X-men comics, they just show up.

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Don't watch these movies expecting it to make sense. There are so many plot holes it's ridiculous. They were obviously not written with keeping a uniform universe in mind.

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I like to imagine that Xavier never got his body back, but was actually projecting an image of himself into the minds of everyone else. His conciousness was there, but not his actual tangible body. That's just my own thoughts, the writers probably just though "Patrick Stewart =$$$"

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I like to imagine that Xavier never got his body back, but was actually projecting an image of himself into the minds of everyone else. His conciousness was there, but not his actual tangible body. That's just my own thoughts, the writers probably just though "Patrick Stewart =$$$"

A projection in a wheelchair?

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The real issue/unexplained plot-hole in the film is how the heck Kitty magically got the power to send people's minds through time. They don't even attempt to explain it at all. The only thing I can think of is that she can phase through objects, so she can phase other people's minds through time. But it's really a stretch.

For Professor X there's plenty of viable-enough explanations. Maybe he got a clone of himself. Maybe he just put his body back together since his mind is that powerful.

Honestly, once First Class wrecked the continuity of X1 but was still a fantastic film, I think Fox should've boldly just decided that they could make new X-films with the same characters but different continuities and not worry about it. If the films are good, it doesn't matter. You can basically treat DofP like that, since if you really try to put all the films in one timeline too many plot holes emerge. With the success of the MCU everybody seems to feel the need to make all of their movies connected, which I just think isn't necessary.

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Hello everyone, I was wondering if I could get some opinions from you. I was never really a fan of X-men, but I watched First Class in 2012 and enjoyed it. I thought that DoFP looked good, so I watched the first five movies on TV recently. I liked them except I thought Origins: Wolverine and X3 weren't too good. I wasn't able to watch The Wolverine on TV though and was wondering if it is necessary to watch it before DoFP. I'm not sure if explains about the cure not working permanently or how Professor X comes back to life. If someone can answer me that would be great, thanks! :classic:

The Wolverine is pretty much a stand alone movie. The only things in it that interconnect with the others is Wolverines guilt for Jean Grey in X3 ( or just his guilt for appearing in X3 at all, it's hard to tell) and a post trailer teaser scene with Magneto and Professor X, that in hindsight makes absolutely no sense at all as it has no apparent connection or possible timeline to DOFP. It's like something based on an early draft. As a general rule Wolverine Origins has never really been considered cannon with the other movies. Just too many wild liberties taken and completely different characters and histories. Everything about it was pretty much instantly discarded.

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and a post trailer teaser scene with Magneto and Professor X, that in hindsight makes absolutely no sense at all as it has no apparent connection or possible timeline to DOFP.

Yes it does. It's Magneto and Professor X recruiting Wolverine for the start of the battle, the one that culminated a few years or so later in the 'Future' segments of DoFP.

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The Wolverine is pretty much a stand alone movie. The only things in it that interconnect with the others is Wolverines guilt for Jean Grey in X3 ( or just his guilt for appearing in X3 at all, it's hard to tell) and a post trailer teaser scene with Magneto and Professor X, that in hindsight makes absolutely no sense at all as it has no apparent connection or possible timeline to DOFP. It's like something based on an early draft. As a general rule Wolverine Origins has never really been considered cannon with the other movies. Just too many wild liberties taken and completely different characters and histories. Everything about it was pretty much instantly discarded.

The wolverine post-credits scene makes a ton of sense! I just re watched it and they never mention anything about needing to send wolverine back in time, they simply mention how they need his help. Because wolverine had been wandering round on his own for a couple of years they're trying to recruit him into their team of sentinel fighting mutants. Magneto says something along the lines of "there are dark forces creating a weapon that could bring about the end of all mutants", this shows that the sentinels haven't even been made yet so they are recruiting wolverine to help stop them being created. Obviously this fails and we skip ahead several years in DOFP to when sentinels have become dominant.

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The real issue/unexplained plot-hole in the film is how the heck Kitty magically got the power to send people's minds through time. They don't even attempt to explain it at all. The only thing I can think of is that she can phase through objects, so she can phase other people's minds through time. But it's really a stretch.

For Professor X there's plenty of viable-enough explanations. Maybe he got a clone of himself. Maybe he just put his body back together since his mind is that powerful.

Honestly, once First Class wrecked the continuity of X1 but was still a fantastic film, I think Fox should've boldly just decided that they could make new X-films with the same characters but different continuities and not worry about it. If the films are good, it doesn't matter. You can basically treat DofP like that, since if you really try to put all the films in one timeline too many plot holes emerge. With the success of the MCU everybody seems to feel the need to make all of their movies connected, which I just think isn't necessary.

I think it's easier and makes more sense if one just considers everything from First Class onwards to be a reboot, albeit with mostly the same class. Last Stand seems to have been such an embarrassment that Fox are trying to do everything they can to repair the damage - even if that unfortunately means that the first two films become non-canon.

So, I'd say that you're probably right and one just has to enjoy the films individually for their own merit and not try too much to make them make sense together.

And I would also agree with your last statement. The future Batman/Superman movie screams to me of DC trying to copy Marvel's success and stick a universe together before we've even had a real glimpse of Affleck's Batman.

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I'm glad that Doctor Strange is confirmed with this director announcement, but it raises concerns (to me, at least) about Marvel's priorities. Surely they should be focused on finding a new director for Ant-Man above all else? Of course, it is possible that the negotiations with Scott Derrickson were already underway before Edgar Wright departed, but this still seems very odd, and it's even odder that Marvel have not got the situation sorted out. Can't be too long now though...

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I'm glad that Doctor Strange is confirmed with this director announcement, but it raises concerns (to me, at least) about Marvel's priorities. Surely they should be focused on finding a new director for Ant-Man above all else? Of course, it is possible that the negotiations with Scott Derrickson were already underway before Edgar Wright departed, but this still seems very odd, and it's even odder that Marvel have not got the situation sorted out. Can't be too long now though...

I'm sure they have multiple people focusing on multiple projects. An Antman director is being hunted down as we speak. They've been searching for the Doctor Strange director since before this Antman fiasco so I don't think it's concerning.

They just need to can Ant-Man for the time being.

There might be an important reason Antman is the first movie of phase 3. Maybe that's why they've yet to delay it.

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The real issue/unexplained plot-hole in the film is how the heck Kitty magically got the power to send people's minds through time. They don't even attempt to explain it at all. The only thing I can think of is that she can phase through objects, so she can phase other people's minds through time. But it's really a stretch.

For Professor X there's plenty of viable-enough explanations. Maybe he got a clone of himself. Maybe he just put his body back together since his mind is that powerful.

Honestly, once First Class wrecked the continuity of X1 but was still a fantastic film, I think Fox should've boldly just decided that they could make new X-films with the same characters but different continuities and not worry about it. If the films are good, it doesn't matter. You can basically treat DofP like that, since if you really try to put all the films in one timeline too many plot holes emerge. With the success of the MCU everybody seems to feel the need to make all of their movies connected, which I just think isn't necessary.

I think it was great that they pretty much pulled a "infinte crisis" and fixed all those horrid problems with X3 and Origins. I think First class was vary good, still one o' my favorite movies. The wolverine was also good. 'Cept for the final boss. :ugh: Im pretty anxious to see how they handle age of apocolepse, seeing as how well they did with DOFP.

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Jared Leto is rumored to be in talks to star as Doctor Strange. Idk...he'll need a haircut.

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I think it's easier and makes more sense if one just considers everything from First Class onwards to be a reboot, albeit with mostly the same class. Last Stand seems to have been such an embarrassment that Fox are trying to do everything they can to repair the damage - even if that unfortunately means that the first two films become non-canon.

So, I'd say that you're probably right and one just has to enjoy the films individually for their own merit and not try too much to make them make sense together.

And I would also agree with your last statement. The future Batman/Superman movie screams to me of DC trying to copy Marvel's success and stick a universe together before we've even had a real glimpse of Affleck's Batman.

My take was Bryan Singer basically reclaimed his X-Men. DOFP left First Class largely intact! but trimmed out any "unnecessary"Mutants that Singer had not brought to the table in a kind of quick callous way. My takeaway was the events of X1 and X2 stand, not so much do to clear defining moment as kind of obvious directorial intent. With the exception of Jean Greys apparent death at the end. X3 has been vaporized and consigned to histories trash heap never to be seen again. No one really counted Wolverine Origins in the first place beyond some vague broad strokes such as Wolverines age. And The Wolverine falls into a strange place. It happened because it happened to Wolverine and he remembers it all. But the trigger of it was the end of X3, so the events of the movie might not be fully cannon anymore. We could probably mentally strip out all of the early hobo stuff with Wolverine and the bear, and everything else can more or less stand intact. Trying to think through these movies too much makes your brain hurt as they all mostly predate the era of studio control and continuity was left mostly to the directors whims. Much like the 90's comics.

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What was wrong with the Silver Samurai as a villain?

Anyway, the Wolverine would have happened anyway, since Logan had saved the Japanese guy's life in 1945 and he would have still searched out Wolverine in the present day.

Anyway, this interview addresses a lot of things, including Charles' new body in DOFP and wolverine's claws, it's a really interesting read:

http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1892

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Jared Leto is rumored to be in talks to star as Doctor Strange. Idk...he'll need a haircut.

I haven't seen any of his stuff, but he looks like he's been in a lot of big movies, and asides from the hair he has the look fairly good as well.

It's a lot better choice than Johnny Depp. I honestly don't know why people think he'll be a good Dr. Strange.

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The Silver Samurai would have been a great Wolverine villain. If they actually used him. But the CGI generic robot we got instead felt like a truly bad script decision. Like the result of trying to merge two badly disjointed screenplays.

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I haven't seen any of his stuff, but he looks like he's been in a lot of big movies, and asides from the hair he has the look fairly good as well.

It's a lot better choice than Johnny Depp. I honestly don't know why people think he'll be a good Dr. Strange.

I'm probably weird, but Dr. Strange always struck me as one of those characters that would work extremely well by adding a dose of ethnic diversity to. His story never made a lot of sense as a New York white guy. But as a second generation New Yorker of Indian or Bangladesh or such his story would seem to click a little better. It leaves room for why he took the journey he did after his accident. It provides a certain contrast between the rebellious or arrogant American Surgeon vs his more traditional heritage. Things like that. I wish they would find somebody new for the role. A top Bollywood talent would be something different for American audiences while still driving International box offices. Oh well I can dream can't I.

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I haven't seen any of his stuff, but he looks like he's been in a lot of big movies, and asides from the hair he has the look fairly good as well.

It's a lot better choice than Johnny Depp. I honestly don't know why people think he'll be a good Dr. Strange.

I never wanted Depp. If he played Doctor Strange it'd just be like watching Johnny Depp in another weird costume, not the actual character.

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The Silver Samurai would have been a great Wolverine villain. If they actually used him. But the CGI generic robot we got instead felt like a truly bad script decision. Like the result of trying to merge two badly disjointed screenplays.

I was thinking more about how he just chopped of his claws. Total bun slap to the comics. His powers made his sword UNBREAKABLE to Wolverines claws, not the ability to melt right through them! :wall:

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