Scorpiox Posted December 21, 2011 Well, seeing as this thread is back in the public eye, anyone looking forward to this new series, 'Beware the Batman'? Robin seems to have been replaced with 'Katana', Alfred's tray seems to have been replaced with duel pistols (which sort of makes sense, as he's the one Batman trusts to have a weapon), and Joker appears to have been replaced with Professor Pyg (I'm glad they're giving the Joker a break, he's the main antagonist in too many incarnations of Batman). Any idea who the people left and right of Pyg are? The only person I can think of is Mr. Toad, and I only know him from Penguin's custom minifigures! Batman's face looks like it's been through a meat-grinder. Katana is meh, why not stick with more mainstream sidekicks like Robin or Nightwing? Also she is possibly the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Alfred with guns is like Winnie the Pooh with a F-18 Hornet, it just doesn't fit the character. And it's not like he'd kill anyone is it? Those three villains seem meh aswell. I can think of many better ones, for example, The Riddler, Two-Face, Bane, Scarecrow... These villains seem far too obscure. Joker is used most oftenly because he is the archenemy of Batman, he is just such a good character, him being 'overused' is nonesence. He's better than some stupid pig in a trench coat, what is this? Animal Farm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zarkan Posted December 21, 2011 Alfred with guns is like Winnie the Pooh with a F-18 Hornet, it just doesn't fit the character. And it's not like he'd kill anyone is it? Well, believe it or not, I've been told that Alfred actually has carried a gun in the batman comics at some point or another, although it was aparrently a shotgun rather than dual pistols. So, yeah, take from this what you will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Professor Flitwick Posted December 21, 2011 Joker is used most oftenly because he is the archenemy of Batman, he is just such a good character, him being 'overused' is nonesence. He's better than some stupid pig in a trench coat, what is this? Animal Farm? Yes, but how much can you do with the Joker that hasn't been done before? How could they portray him in an original way? Hysterical - oh no, that's Nicholson/Hamill. Sadistic - oh no, that's Ledgar. What are his criminal goals? Take over Gotham? Done. Kidnap the Mayor? Done X58. He's Batman's arch-nemesis because everybody who portrays him makes it so. As much as I like the Joker, he is an old hat, and one that could do with a couple of years on the rack, allowing others to get the spotlight for a while. And by the way, Professor Pyg is a deranged doctor whom kidnaps random people to make them 'beautiful'. They often end up hideously gored, and are hypnotised to follow his every order (A cross between Zsasz, and the Mad Hatter). Well, believe it or not, I've been told that Alfred actually has carried a gun in the batman comics at some point or another, although it was aparrently a shotgun rather than dual pistols. So, yeah, take from this what you will. Yeah, wasn't he the only person Bruce trusted to have a gun? I know that he never ran around with dual uzi's, but... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Penguin Posted December 21, 2011 Okay. I tend to think that something's wrong here. HOW COME I'M ALWAYS THE LAST ONE TO LEARN ABOUT INTERESTING THINGS?! Ok, what I see here. Professor Pyg is a definite welcome since such a maniac would be very cool to see portrayed in media. A persin who is so deranged to cut and tear his victims faces apart and sometimes even eat manflesh is a definite step forward for animated shows abot Bats. Such characters are very tricky to portray: one wrong, silly moment and nooone will care fore the character and thus like him. What I mean is the Jopker can have a huge variety of ways to behave, while characters like Pyg should stay on the same level, or noone will take seriously a man in a pig mask. SA lady with katana can be anyone, from Katana to Katwoman (get the joke? Oh, I'm hillarious today! ) In fact for some reason I tend to think she's the latter. If it is trulla Alfred then I don't like him. But I tend to think it may be even Harvey Dent. quite a different approach but a very interesting one. To the left of Pyg is either Mr. Toad (he appeared only in like 2-3 issues) or Killer Croc. So far i like the look of the character and should it be Toad a very welcome character for me. To his left is the character I'm least sure in. But it looks like it may be Harley Quinn in her Birds of Prey-ish style. A highly independent and less whacky character. That's it, guys. Good day, ladies and gentlemen! ) P.S. And it's since 2008, Oky! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peanuts Posted December 21, 2011 Batman's face looks like it's been through a meat-grinder. Katana is meh, why not stick with more mainstream sidekicks like Robin or Nightwing? Also she is possibly the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Alfred with guns is like Winnie the Pooh with a F-18 Hornet, it just doesn't fit the character. And it's not like he'd kill anyone is it? Those three villains seem meh aswell. I can think of many better ones, for example, The Riddler, Two-Face, Bane, Scarecrow... These villains seem far too obscure. Joker is used most oftenly because he is the archenemy of Batman, he is just such a good character, him being 'overused' is nonesence. He's better than some stupid pig in a trench coat, what is this? Animal Farm? I have to agree with that partially. Well, I've got nothing against new, different enemies, and giving Joker a break, but some of the more commmon villains should be used as well. As you say, there's plenty of great common villains. But in fact, I'm rather open-minded towards the enemies. Let's see how this turns out. (Not to mention I'm glad I don't have to see a triangle-faced Joker ) What really bugs me are the good guys; Alfred is no pistol-wielding action hero, and it's simply ridiculous with the heroes bearing two pistols and a katana and never killing people. I mean, killing people is the only purpose of weapons. And I'm not digging the animation style either, at least not from what I'm seeing. Batman looks something between funny and nightmarish... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightcruise Posted December 22, 2011 I just find it odd to see Alfred with guns. Atleast with the Batman I knew from growing up, he would avoid guns at all cost. Yet now Alfred fights by his side, with the very same weapons that killed his parents. As for the foes, it does hurt to not see Mr. J as the main threat. But I can see the greatest version of him on my DVDs, but I'm just not sure about these guys at all. They could had just took some characters from Batman Beyond and made changes. Blight was created by Batman in that series, so it could had been like that with this series too. Blight would had made a great threat, just as much as the Joker would had and still could had fresh stories using that character. This Pyg guy just does not strike me as a real threat. Joker is insane and Blight is a walking meltdown, this guy just reminds me of the pig from Star Fox 64. As for the annimation style, I don't mind it all. I just wish it would had been like Young Justice, so we could start having several series under one universe again. Like the DCAU days in the past, instead its just several series with no connections to each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oky Posted December 22, 2011 Sounds to me like people here are too prejudiced against pigs. Seriously, if you would have never seen or heard of the Joker and saw a teaser image of him, you'd probably think "What? Batman is gonna fight a clown?! How lame and weird!" My point: You never know, Pyg could turn out to be a very formidable foe. I for one am not gonna write off a character who I have only seen a blurry picture of. And it's since 2008, Oky! Sorry. I only took a quick look on your brickshelf, and most pics of your customs were uploaded in August 2009. I thought those were confirmed to be Katana and Alfred? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Penguin Posted December 22, 2011 A good question, actually. I didn't quite get it: was it confirmed or just speculation? If it is speculation, I'm still thinking it may be catwoman and Dent! Good day, ladies and gentlemen! ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peanuts Posted December 22, 2011 A good question, actually. I didn't quite get it: was it confirmed or just speculation? If it is speculation, I'm still thinking it may be catwoman and Dent! Good day, ladies and gentlemen! ) Catwoman with a katana? Not any better. And I don't see anything cat-like with that character, no cat-shaped mask or something. And why would she use a sword? I think Catwoman's focus is on agility, and swords decrease the maneuverability heavily. And where's the connection between a sword and a Cat? And Catwoman doesn't kill, so what's the point of carrying a sword around if you don't kill (but I think that's the same with Katana or whoever this hero is. If they are with Batman, they still can't kill ) It could be Dent, it looks a bit too young to be Alfred anyway. But Dent is no action hero either, he's a distric attorney. It's not like they'd run around with two pistols all the day either. And if he's with Batman, he isn't allowed to kill as well. And pistols are even less useful as non-lethal weapons than a katana, so they're simply ridiculous, whoever bears them. But Harvey still makes more sence than Alfred, you're right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Penguin Posted December 22, 2011 I guess, you do have a point about Catwoman. But still I can hardly believe them including Katana. It's...... just wrong in my opinion. However, I sure hope that they'll make the show to be a good one. I'm just sooooo tired of wackiness of BB and The Batman. I hope Oky didn't hear the part about BB! Good day, ladies and gentlemen! ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Vimes Posted December 23, 2011 Guys..It's been Confirmed as Katana as the Sidekick, Katana For that Matter is from The Comic, The Outsiders...Which was a Comic about Batman's Special team of Hero's..( I want to read that in Trade ), And No that is not Dent, that is Alfred, they already Confrimed that it was a Gun Totting Alfred...So they want a different approach to the character...Let Warner Bros, Do that, and to base the show with Batman's Lesser known Foes like Professor Pyg, Mister Toad, etc, is a really good Idea, It really gives those characters a chance to shine on screen or more like the small screen.. For People who don't really read much Comics, to learn about Proffesor Pyg, And others read Grant Morrison's Batman And Robin Series...The First Volume starts with Proffesor Pyg, Mister Toad, and Also I wonder if this Series will have The Pink Flamingo in it.. That would be awesome, cause it looks like this show is going with almost a Grant Morrison feel to it...except for Gun Totting Alfred and using Katana...(Lovely Character ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Penguin Posted December 23, 2011 In that case I have no other comments to make. I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing the series, since a different approach is always welcme, as long as the core stays the same. ) Good day, ladies and gentlemen! ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K-Nut Posted December 27, 2011 Jeez! I need to look at this thread more! Well let's see. Batman looks like he's from one of those "alternative" pieces of artwork, Katana, to me, looks too much like the daughter from The Incredibles. Alfred looks too young to be Alfred, though I'd love it if it were Harvey Dent. I'm glad to see some of the more unknown villains get the spotlight, but Professor Pyg, really? They couldn't have picked a more interesting villain. Mr. Toad looks fine, but could the person on the left be Harley Quinn? This series doesn't look good to me, but I'll give it a shot. P.S. And it's since 2008, Oky! Yeah, everyone knows that! Well, now they do... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lothos Posted December 27, 2011 Red Hood and the outlaws, anyone else reading this? I like it a bit, I hope they "fix" Jason and all that. It's pretty interesting so far, but Starfire not remembering Dick Grayson kinda bothers me a bit. Also, is Young Justice taking a seasonal break. or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peanuts Posted December 29, 2011 I'm glad to see some of the more unknown villains get the spotlight, but Professor Pyg, really? They couldn't have picked a more interesting villain. Mr. Toad looks fine, but could the person on the left be Harley Quinn? This series doesn't look good to me, but I'll give it a shot. I doubt it would be Harley, without the Joker she's alright for one-shot episodes like in BTAS, but certainly not as a major character. I don't know much about Pyg, but from what I've read, he doesn't sound uninteresting. And yeah, I don't think I'll like what they did there, and Alfred definitely looks too young. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vimes Posted January 6, 2012 The Penguin gets a lot of attention recently. Did anyone follow the current mini-series "Penguin - Pain and Predjudice"? http://dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=20945 I'm really blown away by that series. Oswald Cobblepot is distinguished as a loving son and heartbreakingly mistreated child who grows up to become one of the most feared and unbelievable cruel crime lords of Gotham - the Penguin. I felt reminded of "The Killing Joke" where Joker's tragic past creates some sort of sympathy for the monstrous villain. In PPaP the reader can't help but feel a little bit sorry for Penguin, allthough he is depicted as a truly terrifying character, more terrifying indeed, than the Joker ever was (in my opinion, anyway). Quite an accomplishment. Now to the recent issue if the new "Detective Comics" series: In the new "Detective Comics" series Batman still is quite at the beginning of his crime fighting career (and hunted by the authorities) and The Penguin enters the stage of Gotham for the first time, opening the "Iceberg Casino" - take a look at the new "Lounge": Sydney, anyone? Quite a bastion, built within Gotham harbor. I don't know yet if I like the new look of Penguins headquarter, it's way bigger than all previous versions seen in different comics, but it's beyond dispute imposing. So far, I'm thrilled to see how other traditional Bat villains will be presented. At the moment the Penguin is the most interesting in the whole Batman universe... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Penguin Posted January 6, 2012 Ooh, sounds interesting! I haven't read that one yet, so if you compare it with KJ it might be good then. More terrifying than Joker? Of course I am! Who is scared of clowns?! Wait..... Good day, ladies and gentlemen! ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miss Kyle Posted January 9, 2012 It's time for me to join this thread, I guess. I used to follow a German Batman board, but the teenage fanboys there drew me away in the end. I got back into Batman a few years ago (with Lego Batman I actually!) and by now I do own a nice collection of comic books and DVDs. But I have lost track of good stories a bit. There's still "Knightfall" to read, I have the first two parts on the shelf already. And people keep recommending No Man's Land - but is it really necessary to read Cataclysm as a prequel? It seems to be out of print, and thus difficult to get. At the same time there seems to be a new edition of No Man's Land... has anyone checked it out yet? The last new stuff I watched was the Year One film, and I liked it very much. I share your resent about Batman's voice actor though, I really missed Conroy :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vimes Posted January 9, 2012 ...There's still "Knightfall" to read, I have the first two parts on the shelf already. And people keep recommending No Man's Land - but is it really necessary to read Cataclysm as a prequel? It seems to be out of print, and thus difficult to get. At the same time there seems to be a new edition of No Man's Land... has anyone checked it out yet?... Well, it took some time to complete my collection of the "Cataclysm, No Man's Land and New Gotham" series. It isn't necessary to read the books of the "Catacylsm" series (or "New Gotham") to enjoy "No Man's Land". The whole series is a mix of writers and artists and therefore of fluctuating quality. I've used this list as orientation when I tried to get back into the "Batman Universe", but it's nearly impossible to collect and read every comic on that list (and also not necessary, some of the books are really bad). I can't say anything about the new edition of "No Man's Land", I think it is just a complete collection of all comics of that series and nothing new. With DC's "New 52" it's questionable if "No Man's Land" is still canon (for those who care about that). I'm pleased with the new start of the Bat and can recommend the new "Batman", "Detective Comics" and "Batman and Robin" series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miss Kyle Posted January 9, 2012 Thanks for the advice, Vimes! Now I just have to decide whether or not to buy the new edition or collect the old books :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
def Posted January 20, 2012 Very funny 'article' about the new DC logo, and the nature of discussion on the Internet: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/01/17/dc-comics-logo-history/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Penguin Posted February 4, 2012 Just wanted to share some ideas about Penguin: Pain and Prejudice. 1) First of all I guess most of you will agree with me in thinking that this story ark was supposed to become a Killing Joke style entry for Penguin. Showing the routes of his character and trying to show why he became what he's like in most interporetations. To my mind it's a very good attewmpt. I'm not sure it'll become as popular as the Joke, but it definitely is one of the best Penguin stories so far. 2) What I really liked about the story itself is that de facto we have here a mix betwewen Arkham: Serious House on Serious Earth and Batman Returns. Tucker Cobblepot? BR. Love for Esther Cobblepot? AA. Mechanised armored penguins attacking chiuldren? BR. Batman as a big bad bully? AA., etc. 3) I didn't really like his looks since I'm a strong supporter of the idea that Penguin is a normal (and not even psychotic) man without amy mutation or odd-looking features. However I really liked the scene where he looks at the mirror and sees himself as a tall (relatively) muscular handsome guy. It amused me quite a bit, since in my real life it's vice versa. I'm rather tall and no longer have problems with my figure but keep seeing myself in the missor as a fatting uncharming man. 4) Penguin's brutality and cruelness is the main problem here, I guess. For me he has always been a gentleman on first place with fine rtaste and of high culture. Here he's more like a manipulating psychopath. And I won't really comment on him making those robotic wonders all by himself. In the nutshell the interest (and quality) of the story is falling for me with every next issue. We still need to see the last one of this story ark, but I'd rather have a psychological story rather than another pechanised penguins plot story. Good day, ladies and gentlemen! ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vimes Posted February 9, 2012 @The Penguin I just finished the last two issues of the Penguin-PaP Mini-Series and hate to agree with the shrinking quality. I really liked the beginning of the series, the characterization of Penguin, his dark family roots and, yes, even his psychotic persona, the alternate view on "the Dark Knight" and Gothams society. Then the story took a more and more irrational turn, incorporating (IMO) unfitting "Silver Age" elements (aforementioned technological, penguin-styled wonder weapons etc.) culminating in a rather forseeable and therefore disappointing climax. I would give the whole series 3 out of 5 points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Penguin Posted February 9, 2012 I agree. Today I finished reading the series and was a bit disappointed. I have nothing against penguin-shaped shells or something, but! Robotoc penguins? A robot heading to Blackgate Penitentiary to save him? That's too much of a nonsense. Though i must confess that I liked the love storyline here, though I generally don't like them in Batman Universe. The way Penguin kills the poor girl just shows how unstable and "always on the edge" his mind is. P.S. What's wrong with authors and monocles these days?! Either they do not fit, or too big, or they make it look like broken glasses (for some reason he's still wearing them in the comic) or even a bottle bottom like in AC! As if people do not wear them nowadays! Good day, ladies and gentlemen! ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
purpleparadox Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) I was wondering what the general opinion of the Battle for the Cowl series is. It looks interesting but I'm not sure whether it's worth buying. I'm sure Batbrick or The Penguin will have some useful feedback:) EDIT: Bought and read Battle for the Cowl, holy smokes it's amazing! I love the storyline, and it's really intense with Gotham falling into a state of complete madness! I COMPLETELY recommend it to any and every fan of the Batman universe! Edited February 25, 2012 by purpleparadox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
