Jamy Posted October 15, 2009 Hello All!! I've read that there is very small differences between the "Old" Black Seas Barracuda "6285" and the reedition "10040" But, excepted the non-shooting Cannons, I don't have find exactly what are those differences. Is everybody own both of them and can tell me what are exactly those differences? Thank you very much!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LBaixinho Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) As far I know, both european version of the sets had shooting cannons. You can view the entire list of parts on the bricklink: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=6285-1 http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10040-1 Edited October 15, 2009 by LBaixinho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simonwillems Posted October 15, 2009 I own the 10040 and I can confirm that the European version had non-shooting cannons. The Flintlock rifles also had a different mould, with a different pattern in the handle from the original guns in the late eighties. Otherwise I believe them to be identical, even the shades of grey had not been changed in those days. By the way, the title has the wrong number in it, unless you are preparing to discuss the difference between this set and this one Something I could go on about all night: For instance take a look at the little grey car, that's a difference, or the trans yellow windows, that's a diffe... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamy Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) ...You can view the entire list of parts on the bricklink: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=6285-1 http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10040-1 Thank you for your tip, but I'd already made the comparison on bricklinck and don't have note a lot of changes except common pieces like : (first line is 6285, second one is 10040) 10 x 3001 Black Brick 2 x 4 12 x 3001 Black Brick 2 x 4 11 x 3024 Black Plate 1 x 1 10 x 3024 Black Plate 1 x 1 8 x 4085b Black Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical - Type 2 (thin U clip) 8 x 4085c Black Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical - Type 3 (thick U clip) 33 x 4073 Black Plate, Round 1 x 1 32 x 4073 Black Plate, Round 1 x 1 2 x 4738bc01 (Inv) Brown Container, Treasure Chest, Complete Assembly Type 2 without Slots 2 x 4738ac01 (Inv) Brown Container, Treasure Chest, Complete Assembly Type 1 with Slots 12 x 4085b Light Gray Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical - Type 2 (thin U clip) 12 x 4085c Light Gray Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical - Type 3 (thick U clip) 5 x 4073 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 4 x 4073 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 1 x 4475 Yellow Wedge, Plate 8 x 8 with 4 x 4 Cutout 1 x 6104 Yellow Wedge, Plate 8 x 8 with 3 x 4 Cutout ...By the way, the title has the wrong number in it, unless you are preparing to discuss the difference between this set and this one Ouch you're right, I will change the title immediatly... And thank you for your informations!! And about the sails, are they the same than the 6285's? edit : I did't found the option for editing the title... Edited October 15, 2009 by Jamy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Zuloo Posted October 16, 2009 edit : I did't found the option for editing the title... That's because only staff can edit them. And as far as differences, I have no idea. I only ever got the new version, so I can't compare. Interesting topic though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamy Posted October 16, 2009 Title fixed! Thank you Svelte! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Destroydacre Posted October 17, 2009 The original minifigs also have solid stud heads while the 2002 versions don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ILikePi Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) There also seems to be one other difference. According to BrickLink, the original BSB had 876 pieces (minifigs not included), while the re-released edition had 873 pieces (again, not including minifigs). Edited October 17, 2009 by ILikePi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Posted October 17, 2009 I remember (from peeron I think) that there were some extra basic bricks (2 x 4 and 1 x 3 if I'm correct) in the original BSB, presumably to create one of the alternate models (?). These could be missing from the re-release, just like TLG did not include some of the extra gray arches for alternate models that were in the original Black Falcon's Fortress in the re-release (10039). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SlyOwl Posted October 17, 2009 The cross-sections of the minifig torsos are also different: the originals had a hollow torso, whilst the re-releases had the X in the middle, like those of today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Posted October 17, 2009 The cross-sections of the minifig torsos are also different: the originals had a hollow torso, whilst the re-releases had the X in the middle, like those of today. ... and closed studs for minifig heads were still being used in 1989, although that quickly changed afterward, so maybe in later production runs of 6285 there were hollow studs as well. I have a second-hand 6285 with open and closed studs heads, but that's probably because not all heads were originally from 6285. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamy Posted October 17, 2009 The original minifigs also have solid stud heads while the 2002 versions don't. Mmm... excuse my english, but I don't understand exactly this technical sentence : "solid stud head" What is it exactly? How are the head in the 10040 version so? Tahnk you again for your help :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Augusta Posted October 17, 2009 excuse me, may I know is there any instruction for building the "alternate model" on the back of the lego box? If no, what's the point of LEGO offering extra brick to build those alternate model in early year? We never know exactly which brick is put on where. ps: I always wish lego give us the instruction for those alternate model, include in each set. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SlyOwl Posted October 17, 2009 excuse me, may I know is there any instruction for building the "alternate model" on the back of the lego box?If no, what's the point of LEGO offering extra brick to build those alternate model in early year? We never know exactly which brick is put on where. ps: I always wish lego give us the instruction for those alternate model, include in each set. In some old sets, particularly technic ones, there were instructions for the alternate models. These were, however, condensed, so many more bricks would be added per set. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there were never any alternate build instructions in pirates (apart from the Ideas books) - it was a question of using your ingenuity to come up with something similar to that shown on the back of the box. I guess the extra bricks were so that the models on the back looked cool, whilst still using the bricks contained in the box. Personally I never wanted instructions for the alternate models, and loved trying to build them from a tiny picture - it was a real test of skill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamy Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) Old and new... Ah ok!!!! All these pirates have got a hat or something on their head, so I guess that it's not a very fondamentaly visual difference... Thank you to have light up my lantern SlyOwl:) By the way... what is the advantage between the old and the new one? Edited October 18, 2009 by Jamy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SlyOwl Posted October 18, 2009 By the way... what is the advantage between the old and the new one? - A bar can be inserted into the hollow stud, so more useful for building with - The new head also has a very slightly different shape overall, which is more aesthetically pleasing (some of the old ones were slightly more square) - The connection is generally better with the new one - If you choke on it, you can breath through the hole in the hollow stud Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lorentzen Posted October 18, 2009 - A bar can be inserted into the hollow stud, so more useful for building with - The new head also has a very slightly different shape overall, which is more aesthetically pleasing (some of the old ones were slightly more square) - The connection is generally better with the new one - If you choke on it, you can breath through the hole in the hollow stud Gotta love LEGO - they aim to please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VintageLegoEra Posted March 21, 2014 HI, just noticed 2 different versions of The Black seas barracuda: 6285 and 10040. Looks like the main differences in the outer box. any differences in the contents? Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pcvando Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) I have both, they are pretty much identical, except the piece count is different by a few bricks, 896 pieces for 10040, and 865 for the 6285. The only main differences I can notice by looking at both, is that the 10040 colours are a little newer looking, possibly different plastic density, but barely noticeable. The other difference is that the very brittle parts have been replaced, such as any pieces with clips. Personally I have had many break on me. The older clips are solid hard plastic, and any amount of force on them snaps them. They were all replaced with reinforced ones, and ones made of a plastic rubber mix. Overall the 10040 is a little more reinforced and tweaked to be better, but nothing beats the original because of the feel and nostalgia! + Also the 10040 is part of the "Legends" theme line, which brings back iconic lego sets such as the guarded inn, set; 10000-1. The legends theme is no longer outputting sets, I believe it was only in the 2000's. Edited March 21, 2014 by pcvando Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheLegoDr Posted March 21, 2014 You are exactly right. The Legends line was the hope to bring back retired sets for nostalgic purposes. The odd thing is it wasn't very successful. I'd love to be able to buy some of those older sets new! I do have the original BSB and have it built on display. It definitely looks its age, but still nice to have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VintageLegoEra Posted March 21, 2014 Thanks for the valuable info.....So the 10040 is indeed the re re of the 6285 with reinforced parts...looks good to me..:).and what attracted me is the age is 9+ in 10040 while in 6285 6-12...were they are the same...:) looking forward to buy NIB 6285 soon ;) Regards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TalonCard Posted March 21, 2014 I have both, they are pretty much identical, except the piece count is different by a few bricks, 896 pieces for 10040, and 865 for the 6285. That's still more pieces than I would have expected...I only have 10040; what are the extra bricks used for? TC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VintageLegoEra Posted March 22, 2014 That's still more pieces than I would have expected...I only have 10040; what are the extra bricks used for? TC Maybe the extra parts meant for spare or up to you where to put it :) Since i am going to build the set, no matter whether to get 6285 or 10040 as long as i get new set ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
