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Hey guys, quick question, I hope it's okay if I ask it over here...

As previously stated, Gendy Tartakovsky's Star Wars: Clone Wars was supposed to be added to Disney Plus, according to several sources on April 2nd.
However, I have not been able to find it on the streaming site, as of yet. Is the release delayed? Am I blind?

Thanks for any assistance!

Regaerds,
Mitch

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The Bad Batch is another grabagefest.

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...More tactics of "lets get into melee range, or stand perfectly still and shoot the enemy. They have no aim anyways" which even babies would notice.

...Dumb writing like "this wasn't made to be a prison originally so if you punch it with enough force at this specific spot we'll break free! Trust me I'm the genetically smart one!"

Writing like that is the definition of trash garbage writing. It doesn't make sense. WHy the heck couldn't they make walls strong enough? Can't think of an actual CLEVER way to break out of prison? Even the old "pretend to be sick" is better than that!...

I'm losing the will to writer. There were many things. It's just bad. It's hard to take seriously as it's supposed to be in the same universe but I guess the Universe is half destroyed by now.

 

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Worse than the Resistance series? My son thinks it's okay, but not Clone levels. I haven't seen it and I don't think I'm going to based on the trailers

We're currently chugging through Rebels a second time and I actually think it gets better on second viewing :thumbup:

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I thought it was alright, just like the CW episodes that introduced the Bad Batch. All the main characters are still one-dimensional copies of the TMNT, except maybe Hunter. Yeah, the prison break scene was kinda dumb, but the action was fun enough. I'll stick with it to see where they go with it. I'd say it's at about the same level as CW, definitely not as bad as Resistance. Rebels is still the best one out of these 3 shows.

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Resistance is the only one I haven't watched any of.

I kind of faded out of Rebels because I didn't like the pink dude or kid at all. Good characterizations can help a lot and I often give up on shows if the characters aren't appealing (even if they're not bad, just not my taste, like Firefly where I hate every character but that's just a taste thing since they seem really well developed).

The characters in this as it has been said are super on-dimensional so far. Especially Wrecker. I'm sick of "strong dumb guy" characters. They're just bad. Give us more "Beast" from X-Men or something half clever. (Beast is a fantasitic character!).

 

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I loved this week’s episode of The Bad Batch because of how it tied in with the story of Ryloth and the Rebels series, which made me come to realize that my least favorite part of The Bad Batch is honestly The Bad Batch themselves. That might be an odd thing to say as I think it’s been an okay series so far but aside from Hunter and maybe Wrecker to an extent, we haven’t enough development for me to care about most of the main characters. I don’t feel we’ve gotten to know these characters better than we did in their TCW arc. The episode with the Separatist senator, for example, could have been a really interesting moral dilemma for the crew to work through but instead, a few of them grumble about it at the start of the episode and the rest of the episode is just mindless action. Omega, on the other hand, is a refreshing character and it’s great to see her starting to come more into her own as the show progresses. When there’s not an appearance of a character from another story occurring, she is usually the one stealing the show.

I will say that the subplots with Tarkin and Rampart and the Kaminoans are the most interesting parts of the show for me personally. They all their different agendas and it’s interesting to see where their agendas clash and align. That’s the storyline I’m most interested in with this series.

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On 7/14/2021 at 10:10 AM, The Stud said:

I loved this week’s episode of The Bad Batch because of how it tied in with the story of Ryloth and the Rebels series, which made me come to realize that my least favorite part of The Bad Batch is honestly The Bad Batch themselves.

Personally the show started to completely lose me at the Hera backstory episode. I'm probably in a tiny minority, but I really don't like or need every piece of media to so blatantly connect to other media. The first of the two Ryloth episodes has nothing to do with the subjects of the Bad Batch show, and is only cool or interesting or whatever if you've seen Clone Wars and/or Rebels. I have seen those, but I don't suddenly need a completely out of place story shoehorned in.

The second Ryloth episode at least focused on the Bad Batch, and to be honest would have worked totally fine and even been more intriguing WITHOUT the first one. They get a distress call - Cham is in prison set up by the Imperials and has told Hera to contact the Bad Batch or something like that - and then they're thrown right into the thick of it. We'd get little hints of the backstory and understand that the Empire is undermining autonomous planets. That's all we need. Whatever else happened would be left up to the imagination.

I do get the complaint that there hasn't been much character development with the Batch themselves. Personally, I'm not sure how much I care, but it's definitely a criticism that stands.

One thing that bothers me in the show is the crowd scenes. The animation overall, especially the atmospheric animations and simulated cinematography, are so good in this show, but the crowd scenes are weak. They're just not populated enough, and everyone seems quite stiff, like a SIMs person. Also in the episode with the Separatist Senator, multiple character models were repeated throughout the crowd, who then also appeared in Syd's bar at the end! I thought that was hilarious.

 

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1 hour ago, Clone OPatra said:

Personally the show started to completely lose me at the Hera backstory episode. I'm probably in a tiny minority, but I really don't like or need every piece of media to so blatantly connect to other media. The first of the two Ryloth episodes has nothing to do with the subjects of the Bad Batch show, and is only cool or interesting or whatever if you've seen Clone Wars and/or Rebels. I have seen those, but I don't suddenly need a completely out of place story shoehorned in.

The second Ryloth episode at least focused on the Bad Batch, and to be honest would have worked totally fine and even been more intriguing WITHOUT the first one. They get a distress call - Cham is in prison set up by the Imperials and has told Hera to contact the Bad Batch or something like that - and then they're thrown right into the thick of it. We'd get little hints of the backstory and understand that the Empire is undermining autonomous planets. That's all we need. Whatever else happened would be left up to the imagination.

I do get the complaint that there hasn't been much character development with the Batch themselves. Personally, I'm not sure how much I care, but it's definitely a criticism that stands.

One thing that bothers me in the show is the crowd scenes. The animation overall, especially the atmospheric animations and simulated cinematography, are so good in this show, but the crowd scenes are weak. They're just not populated enough, and everyone seems quite stiff, like a SIMs person. Also in the episode with the Separatist Senator, multiple character models were repeated throughout the crowd, who then also appeared in Syd's bar at the end! I thought that was hilarious.

 

I guess it all comes down to me wishing this was more of an anthology series taking turns focus on different characters immediately after the rise of the Empire. Sort of like how The Clone Wars shifted focus between different characters and sharing their stories.

I also don’t really care for most of the Bad Batchers, so shifting focus to characters I do already like (the Syndullas and Chopper), the characters I’m more interested in in this show (Admiral Rampart and Crosshair) and a new clone character who has already had more development in two episodes (Howzer) was refreshing to me.

 

And yeah, Clone Wars and Rebels suffered from a similar problem with reused assets. It’s understandable when it’s a clone being duplicated over and over but it’s very distracting otherwise. It’s kind of a fun thing to notice in the background on rewatches!

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1 hour ago, The Stud said:

And yeah, Clone Wars and Rebels suffered from a similar problem with reused assets. It’s understandable when it’s a clone being duplicated over and over but it’s very distracting otherwise. It’s kind of a fun thing to notice in the background on rewatches!

For sure, and I guess I was already on the edge of bored enough in the Bad Batch that I was scanning the crowds for the repeats. If they don't have the budget or whatever is needed for proper crowd scenes that's fine, but then they just shouldn't do them or find a more creative solution. Given that AI things can generate huge hordes of characters and probably alternate all of their looks etc, I'm not sure why it's unachievable, but I'm not an animator.

This time frame could definitely be explored in an anthology series, and it does come down to your individual expectations and wishes for what the show is or should be. For me, as a show called The Bad Batch I expect it to be about The Bad Batch.

To your point about the Batch themselves not getting enough character development, it could be a symptom of the same thing that led the showrunners to lean totally into a Ryloth episode without the Batch. They almost seem more interested in exploring other characters, stories, and aspects of the state of the Star Wars universe post RotS than they are in really exploring the characters that are supposed to be headlining the show. After a while, it becomes too convenient/coincidental that the Batch keeps interacting with ALL of these previously established characters to the point that it should be an anthology instead.

All that said, I've still been enjoying watching it week to week, way more than The Mandalorian. It's a breezy watch and fun to see various Star Wars stuff that isn't hampered by the limitations of live action, and some of the visuals are the most impressive they've done in animation to date.

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I also enjoyed the Ryloth arc, as well as the Separatist episode before it. It's interesting to see how different planets deal with the oppression of the Empire and it's good to see the Bad Batch doing what they do best, going on missions without being bogged down by Omega getting herself in trouble for the hundredth time. I don't really have anything against Omega, but I was really getting tired of those "chasing after Omega" episodes. The Separatist episode could have delved into the Batch's ideology being challenged a bit more and was a bit action heavy, but it was good action, so I didn't mind it. The first Ryloth episode was indeed hardly related to the Bad Batch and perhaps could have been cut, but I like Hera (she's the best female character in the galaxy since Leia IMHO), so I didn't mind seeing some of her backstory. What I don't understand is, if Omega payed off their debt to Syd, why are they still going on missions for her?

While this show could work as an anthology, I can understand that they wanted to have a main cast of characters to connect these stories together. It's good to have a continuing story arc to keep viewers coming back as the stuff with Crosshair and the Kaminoans is the most interesting part of the show as @The Stud said. It's just too bad that all the main characters are either one-dimensional TMNT knockoffs or an inexperienced child with a bounty on her head. Lets hope they continue to have Omega be useful rather than a hindrance and get back to the actual Bad Batch story.

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7 minutes ago, Oky said:

What I don't understand is, if Omega payed off their debt to Syd, why are they still going on missions for her?

They have nothing else to do, need money to live, trust Syd as a handler, so why not?

I am looking forward to the last episodes of the first season with the promise of the Batch and Crosshair coming head to head. I do find Crosshair interesting even if his personality is super one dimensional at the moment. I'd like to see the Batch capture him and forcibly remove his chip and where that would go, but I don't think the show will go that way.

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Anyone watch Visions? I loved it. Overall it was a great series with some standouts. Just wish they were longer. The Duel, Ninth Jedi, & The Elder where fantastic. Seeing SW set in that realm was awesome. 

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Lets see if they screw this up. KOTOR is the best Star Wars story in a video game, and better than the prequels and sequels. I have high hopes but I've had high hopes for Star Wars things and almost universally been disappointed :D .

 

 

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