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It appears the rebel fleet makeup consists of 

Corellian Corvettes 

Rebel Transports 

Nebulon B Frigates

and most interestingly, Hammerhead Cruisers from Rebels (by way of KOTOR). I'm sure just as the corvettes and transports would be proliferated throughout the rebellion so would the Hammerheads but I wonder if this is in fact a particular group we all know within the Rebellion. Not a spoiler just food for thought. 

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That was amazing! Its great we saw Madds character and that shot of the Death Star in the sky looks incredible!

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You know there is something I have been thinking about. I am sure it has been thought of before, but if the Stormtroopers who killed Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru where searching for the Death Star plans, they were under Vader's command right? So is it possible Vader ordered the execution of his own Step-Brother and Sister In Law? It is a disturbing possibility. Of course it is also likely that the Stormtroopers where just operating under a scorched earth order, and had no idea the people they killed were some of Vader's relatives... Thoughts?

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Whoever's been editing together the music for the trailers in the past couple years is doing an incredible job.

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On 10/16/2016 at 1:02 AM, xboxtravis7992 said:

You know there is something I have been thinking about. I am sure it has been thought of before, but if the Stormtroopers who killed Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru where searching for the Death Star plans, they were under Vader's command right? So is it possible Vader ordered the execution of his own Step-Brother and Sister In Law? It is a disturbing possibility. Of course it is also likely that the Stormtroopers where just operating under a scorched earth order, and had no idea the people they killed were some of Vader's relatives... Thoughts?

I am not sure Vader was that involved. Early on he seems to make it clear the he leaves the recovery efforts to his field commanders. The troopers assumed (I would argue correctly) that the family knew of the importance of the droids and were being uncooperative when they professed ignorance. So they offed them in an effort to minimise exposure of the plans to anyone else who came looking. What astounds the most is that they left no one to check for the missing relative (Luke) in case he returned home and Owen's story checked out. 

And that is the only conclusion we can probably make since Luke had mentioned Obi Wan but no such report from Owen must've been taken during interrogation which is why Vader did not know about Obi Wan until he sensed him on the Death Star. 

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On 16.10.2016 at 0:34 AM, Brickdoctor said:

Whoever's been editing together the music for the trailers in the past couple years is doing an incredible job.

Returned to this thread to point out just that. I initially liked the previous trailer a bit more because of the kinda epic arrangements of known Star Wars themes in it, but having listened to this new trailer now quite a few times, the dramatic music pretty much blows me away by now. It is so intense and emotional, I really feel pumped to see this film. Damn. It's like a whole new emotional dimension of impending doom being added to the era of A New Hope, in a sense. Like, ANH was a kinda light-hearted adventure movie, and this spin off movie adds a lot of depth to it by expressing the outright desperation the rebellion is facing when learning about this weapon. It's amazing.

 

That's how I feel about the trailer, though. I sure hope the movie can live up to that in the end. My expectations have become quite high for this, I must say.

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I just realized something! Starkiller Base is basically revenge of the Thermal Exhaust Port. The gun is a giant port to the core that is in a trench around the center of the station. The exhaust port from the original is a giant hole to the core in the trench around the center of the station. 

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4 hours ago, Forresto said:

I just realized something! Starkiller Base is basically revenge of the Thermal Exhaust Port. The gun is a giant port to the core that is in a trench around the center of the station. The exhaust port from the original is a giant hole to the core in the trench around the center of the station. 

You're right, that's hilarious :head_back: I think it's also neat how the First Order gets defeated here, instead of a structural weakness in their superweapon it's their attitude that undoes them: they're arrogant enough to think that none uf their underlings might turn on them (thanks to them basically brainwashing their soldiers from birth instead of recruiting them, which I found to be a great concept, especially when considering how many Imperials defected to the Rebellion in the new canon) and aren't prepared in the slightest in case such an event occurs, which of course it does :laugh: 

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On 10/19/2016 at 11:51 PM, Lego-Freak said:

[...] I think it's also neat how the First Order gets defeated here, instead of a structural weakness in their superweapon it's their attitude that undoes them: they're arrogant enough to think that none uf their underlings might turn on them [...]

After retconning in the old canon, you could make the argument that it's the same in the case of the Death Stars.

In the old canon, it's kind of ambiguous how intentional an oversight the exhaust port was, and the first one might still be destroyed regardless of arrogance towards underlings, but it could've taken Yavin IV with it if Graneet had pulled the lever faster instead of feeling guilty about Alderaan.

It's a bit of a stretch to directly blame the destruction of the second Death Star on intentional insubordination (ignoring the technicality that, yes, the entire Rebellion was intentional insubordination), but as Luke says: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." Vader turned on Palpatine, and Pellaeon speculates that the Emperor had to have been doing some form of battle meditation; confusion following his death was the only way the Rebels could get past the sector fleet.

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I feel that Rogue One is going to have to address the exhaust port at some point at the least in passing reference.

I was talking with some people who think Galen Erso purposely designed the weakness. Personally I don't think so mostly because of the size of the exhaust port. With so many people involved in construction and with as many high ranking, intelligent eyes watching such as Krennic I don't it's possible such a weakness could be deliberate. I think the exhaust port serves a crucial purpose in relation to the super laser but I do believe Galen Erso is going to be the person who points it out to the rebels.    

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1 hour ago, Forresto said:

I feel that Rogue One is going to have to address the exhaust port at some point at the least in passing reference.

I was talking with some people who think Galen Erso purposely designed the weakness. Personally I don't think so mostly because of the size of the exhaust port. With so many people involved in construction and with as many high ranking, intelligent eyes watching such as Krennic I don't it's possible such a weakness could be deliberate. I think the exhaust port serves a crucial purpose in relation to the super laser but I do believe Galen Erso is going to be the person who points it out to the rebels.    

Considering how much energy and heat the station reactor produces, I always thought just ONE exhaust port was very strange. There should be like, 50 of those things logically speaking. The fact the Empire designed it with the absolute minimum number of ports makes me think they knew it was a small risk, and that they were taking some precautions. That one Imperial Officer in a New Hope seemed to know very quickly how to tell Tarkin that there was an actual danger, and retreat might have been necessary. In fact, it was the hubris of Tarkin that destroyed the Death Star; had he just pulled off the attack he could have saved the station, and returned to attack the rebel base once they had assembled a sufficient fighter and carrier escort to stave off a few X-Wing sorties.

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8 minutes ago, xboxtravis7992 said:

Considering how much energy and heat the station reactor produces, I always thought just ONE exhaust port was very strange. There should be like, 50 of those things logically speaking. The fact the Empire designed it with the absolute minimum number of ports makes me think they knew it was a small risk, and that they were taking some precautions. That one Imperial Officer in a New Hope seemed to know very quickly how to tell Tarkin that there was an actual danger, and retreat might have been necessary. In fact, it was the hubris of Tarkin that destroyed the Death Star; had he just pulled off the attack he could have saved the station, and returned to attack the rebel base once they had assembled a sufficient fighter and carrier escort to stave off a few X-Wing sorties.

Well, no...it takes the Death Star an eternity to orbit the gas giant to fire at Yavin IV, I doubt their retreat would've been all that fast. I think the officer's suggestion was basically "they might actually blow us up, let's abandon ship" and not "let's outrun these starfighters with our moon-sized space station." :laugh:

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5 hours ago, xboxtravis7992 said:

Considering how much energy and heat the station reactor produces, I always thought just ONE exhaust port was very strange. There should be like, 50 of those things logically speaking. The fact the Empire designed it with the absolute minimum number of ports makes me think they knew it was a small risk, and that they were taking some precautions. That one Imperial Officer in a New Hope seemed to know very quickly how to tell Tarkin that there was an actual danger, and retreat might have been necessary. In fact, it was the hubris of Tarkin that destroyed the Death Star; had he just pulled off the attack he could have saved the station, and returned to attack the rebel base once they had assembled a sufficient fighter and carrier escort to stave off a few X-Wing sorties.

Tarkin gambled the Death Star the moment he's let the gang escape to locate the Rebel base. He mentions this when he tells Vader he's taking an awefull lot of risks letting them go. 

But yeah, like always the rebels have the script behind their backs, just like when the second death star got destroyed with the emperor the Empire was immediatly defeated. 

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14 hours ago, CMP said:

Well, no...it takes the Death Star an eternity to orbit the gas giant to fire at Yavin IV, I doubt their retreat would've been all that fast. I think the officer's suggestion was basically "they might actually blow us up, let's abandon ship" and not "let's outrun these starfighters with our moon-sized space station." :laugh:

True that probably is a slow moving station, but it can jump into hyperspace at least? In hind sight, Tarkin should have ordered for an escort fleet of Star Destroyers, cruisers, and fighters before attacking the base of the group that has stolen and dissected the blueprints to your station...

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Well what's funny is the whole scene with Vader at the conference table choking the one admiral for being cocky, totally foreshadowed the ending of the film. Luke was able to destroy the death star because of the force. Darth Vader was right the whole time, and Tarkin in his own blind arrogance didnt listen.

Travis you make a good point though. The Empire also could've simply driven the rebels into hiding with an orbital bombardment as the Death Star got into position, backed the fleet off, and then fired. 

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Finally finished my watching of the entirety of clone wars. :thumbup: for the series :cry_sad: that it's over.

Especially the last season and a half, with the increasing cinematicness (not a word) and some awesome music. I would gladly trade TFA and all the other stuff to have the last 2 1/2 planned seasons of TCW.

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2 hours ago, Umbra-Manis said:

Finally finished my watching of the entirety of clone wars. :thumbup: for the series :cry_sad: that it's over.

Especially the last season and a half, with the increasing cinematicness (not a word) and some awesome music. I would gladly trade TFA and all the other stuff to have the last 2 1/2 planned seasons of TCW.

You may want to check out the second and third season of SW Rebels then, as both are far better then the first season, and actually deal with some Clone Wars stuff. 

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2 hours ago, Umbra-Manis said:

Finally finished my watching of the entirety of clone wars. :thumbup: for the series :cry_sad: that it's over.

Especially the last season and a half, with the increasing cinematicness (not a word) and some awesome music. I would gladly trade TFA and all the other stuff to have the last 2 1/2 planned seasons of TCW.

Did you see series 7? It's on YouTube and it's kind of in that animation process, So it's not perfect, but still good to watch if you're a Clone Wars fan.

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I'm sure %90 of you are sick of hearing Snoke theories, but I just had a fun one that I came up with that I want to share. Don't take it to seriously, but it has some merits:

Snoke could be Palpatine's secret child.

My ideas with that:

Born aprox. 30 years BBY.

Learned of the Dark Side from his father, but never chosen to be a Sith leading to great resentment. As such once he fully delved into the darkside he refused the title of Sith. 

Able to claim himself as the true Heir to the Emperor to form the First Order.

 

Its kind off a silly idea, but it is at least more likely than say Snoke=Mace Windu theories some people are trying to churn out! :laugh:

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I'm just calling it right here and now. The Gunner Monkey Alien, Moroff, and Admiral Raddus are going to be break out characters of Rogue One. 

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