[TC27] Technic 49.5 x 20 Tire Vehicle Contest - Voting Topic

[Milan]

TECHNIC 49.5 x 20 TIRE VEHICLE CONTEST - VOTING TOPIC

 

VOTING

We are using an external site to vote:

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Please follow these rules to vote:

• To vote, drag and arrange the entries.
• Set your top choice in the top position, followed by your next preferences in descending order.
• Each entry you place at the top position earns 19 points, while each entry you position at the bottom receives 1 point.
• You need to type in your Eurobricks USERNAME in the "name" field.
• You can only vote once.
• You are eligible to vote if you have AT LEAST 50 POSTS, unless you are a participating member, then there is no post count limit.
• As a participating member, if you want to vote, it is MANDATORY to allocate 1 point to your own entry/to set it at the bottom of the list.
• You can be banned from voting (when vote rigging is suspected).
• For questions or comments regarding voting, please refer to the TC27 Discussion Topic.
• Voting ends on Tuesday, 17th of September.

 

CRITERIA
Voting criteria are (in no particular order):

• Quality of the build.
• Functionality.
• Originality.
• Looks (shape, color scheme, etc).

 

ENTRIES
All entries can be found in the entry thread:

Please visit the entry topic to see all entries.

[steph77]

Has voted!

Lots of cool entries here.

S.

[Alex Ilea]

Hard to pick this time, there are a lot of top MOCs in this contest.

[2GodBDGlory]

Looking forward to voting!
I opened up the voting website, though, and it appears that the 19 entries are given points ranging from 1-19, rather than maxing out at 15 points as said here:

2 hours ago, Milan said:

Each entry you place at the top position earns 15 points, while each entry you position at the bottom receives 1 point.

Is that how it's supposed to be, or is there an issue?

[Milan]

On 9/5/2024 at 4:16 PM, 2GodBDGlory said:

Looking forward to voting!
I opened up the voting website, though, and it appears that the 19 entries are given points ranging from 1-19, rather than maxing out at 15 points as said here:

Thanks for pointing that out.
Corrected.

So, as noted on the voting website (and now here), the top position receives 19 points, the bottom position receives 1 point.

[2GodBDGlory]

On 9/5/2024 at 5:38 PM, Milan said:

Thanks for pointing that out.
Corrected.

So, as noted on the voting website (and now here), the top position receives 19 points, the bottom position receives 1 point.

Makes sense, thanks!

[Thirdwigg]

I voted too! Thanks again everyone for another great contest.

[Stereo]

The rule about voting 1 point for your own entry is making my game theory senses tingle.  If the winner has a large enough margin it won't matter.  But it potentially sets up a prisoner's dilemma.  If everyone cooperates and submits a vote, they're all equal.  But if someone "defects" and doesn't vote, it gives them up to an 18 point advantage over people who did vote.  For example, if everyone approximately agrees what order to rank the entries, 1st and 2nd place will give each other 19 points and themself 1 point, and it's fine, both get 20 points.  But if 2nd declines to vote, they get 19 and 1st gets 1 point and so 2nd is more likely to win.

 

I suppose a couple options are to just make it mandatory to vote in order to win. Or require participants to rank their own entry #1, which feels weird but incentivizes people to vote, and again if every participant submits a vote they're still all equal.  Or instead of doing points total, use the average score of votes, not counting the vote for their own entry.  Which, going back to the 1st/2nd place thing, if 1st has (1,19,19,19,...) and 2nd has (19,1,18,18,...) they get 19 and ~18 after removing the 1 votes.  If 2nd doesn't vote, they have (1,19,19,...) and (19,18,18,...) and the averages are still 19 and ~18 after removing the 1 self-vote.

 

Anyway, I did vote, this is just the kind of stuff I think about for fun.

[steph77]

OK.ok. never thought so far . But you are right. This system could give an advantage if a specific people decide to not voting. But honestly I personally don't  care about that. 

I let the moderators think a this aspects ...

[JoKo]

33 minutes ago, Stereo said:

The rule about voting 1 point for your own entry is making my game theory senses tingle. 

Yeah I felt weird about this at first but got used to this voting system. If you want to make it 100% fair and prevent any strategic voting or abstention the only way is to forbid participants to vote and it would change a bit the contest spirit.

Like this different people can play it more or less competitive as they like and at the end of the day that's the main goal. This system has one more point: it pushes the hardcore-competitive guy to abstention, which is far better than strategic vote

Edited September 5 by JoKo

[Alex Ilea]

I would hope we have no  people with such voting "rigging" in mind. I do agree with the suggestion that if you want to win, you should vote. It only takes like 10-15 minutes and it is good sport.

[2GodBDGlory]

37 minutes ago, Stereo said:

The rule about voting 1 point for your own entry is making my game theory senses tingle.  If the winner has a large enough margin it won't matter.  But it potentially sets up a prisoner's dilemma.  If everyone cooperates and submits a vote, they're all equal.  But if someone "defects" and doesn't vote, it gives them up to an 18 point advantage over people who did vote.  For example, if everyone approximately agrees what order to rank the entries, 1st and 2nd place will give each other 19 points and themself 1 point, and it's fine, both get 20 points.  But if 2nd declines to vote, they get 19 and 1st gets 1 point and so 2nd is more likely to win.

 

I suppose a couple options are to just make it mandatory to vote in order to win. Or require participants to rank their own entry #1, which feels weird but incentivizes people to vote, and again if every participant submits a vote they're still all equal.  Or instead of doing points total, use the average score of votes, not counting the vote for their own entry.  Which, going back to the 1st/2nd place thing, if 1st has (1,19,19,19,...) and 2nd has (19,1,18,18,...) they get 19 and ~18 after removing the 1 votes.  If 2nd doesn't vote, they have (1,19,19,...) and (19,18,18,...) and the averages are still 19 and ~18 after removing the 1 self-vote.

 

Anyway, I did vote, this is just the kind of stuff I think about for fun.

Yeah, I've thought about that too. I would honestly prefer for the rule to be that you have to put your entry at the top, because that would actually incentivize voting. I do still vote, though, in the spirit of sportsmanship, and I do have confidence that other people do as well

1 minute ago, Alex Ilea said:

I would hope we have no  people with such voting "rigging" in mind. I do agree with the suggestion that if you want to win, you should vote. It only takes like 10-15 minutes and it is good sport.

Yeah, and even if there are some people who would "rig" things like that, I'd guess that there'd be some correlation between that attitude and a low-quality entry, so it would still probably not make much difference

[bruh]

5 hours ago, Stereo said:

The rule about voting 1 point for your own entry is making my game theory senses tingle.  If the winner has a large enough margin it won't matter.  But it potentially sets up a prisoner's dilemma.  If everyone cooperates and submits a vote, they're all equal.  But if someone "defects" and doesn't vote, it gives them up to an 18 point advantage over people who did vote.  For example, if everyone approximately agrees what order to rank the entries, 1st and 2nd place will give each other 19 points and themself 1 point, and it's fine, both get 20 points.  But if 2nd declines to vote, they get 19 and 1st gets 1 point and so 2nd is more likely to win.

 

I suppose a couple options are to just make it mandatory to vote in order to win. Or require participants to rank their own entry #1, which feels weird but incentivizes people to vote, and again if every participant submits a vote they're still all equal.  Or instead of doing points total, use the average score of votes, not counting the vote for their own entry.  Which, going back to the 1st/2nd place thing, if 1st has (1,19,19,19,...) and 2nd has (19,1,18,18,...) they get 19 and ~18 after removing the 1 votes.  If 2nd doesn't vote, they have (1,19,19,...) and (19,18,18,...) and the averages are still 19 and ~18 after removing the 1 self-vote.

 

Anyway, I did vote, this is just the kind of stuff I think about for fun.

Honestly, I think that not many people willl even do that, even though it is a legitimate thought. 
I enjoyed seeing the different creations, it was cool to see the talent some people have. Nothing I could make (probably) would compare well to the creations shown here.

[msk6003]

voted

[MangaNOID]

I just voted. Fun contest again, thank you everyone 

10 hours ago, Stereo said:

Anyway, I did vote, this is just the kind of stuff I think about for fun.

Another one to think about is that it seems like there is nothing to stop someone voting on behalf of "someone else" when putting in the username.

anyway, this...

9 hours ago, steph77 said:

I let the moderators think a this aspects ...

Good luck all 

[MangaNOID]

49 minutes ago, MangaNOID said:

Another one to think about is that it seems like there is nothing to stop someone voting on behalf of "someone else" when putting in the username.

I should probably also say and clarify that I have been around these TC contests for a long time and don’t believe anyone would do that. Think we’re all just having fun being gentlemanly and ladiely (spelling??)

 

[Horation]

I see one potential flaw with the ballot (but I've not checked if it's there, because I already voted), and that's non-random ordering, since it gives an advantage to entries up on the list (people are most likely to select the top entries and not to really rank everyone else's entries).

 

18 hours ago, Stereo said:

I suppose a couple options are to just make it mandatory to vote in order to win. Or require participants to rank their own entry #1, which feels weird but incentivizes people to vote, and again if every participant submits a vote they're still all equal.  Or instead of doing points total, use the average score of votes, not counting the vote for their own entry.  Which, going back to the 1st/2nd place thing, if 1st has (1,19,19,19,...) and 2nd has (19,1,18,18,...) they get 19 and ~18 after removing the 1 votes.  If 2nd doesn't vote, they have (1,19,19,...) and (19,18,18,...) and the averages are still 19 and ~18 after removing the 1 self-vote.

Easy solution : mandatory voting AND no voting for one's entries OR bonus points for those who vote for someone else, but more than you'd get by any one vote (ex : +25 to your score), which'd be fair as long as every entrant votes...

8 hours ago, MangaNOID said:

Another one to think about is that it seems like there is nothing to stop someone voting on behalf of "someone else" when putting in the username.

Easy, you can't vote twice, and your IP will show when you do vote, so if someone realises that their vote has already been cast, the mods can see which IP voted as that user, figure out who on the forum has that IP, and remove that user from the contest.  

[CK28]

So i wanted to drop a joke about not being able to be narcissistic and put your own entry on top and than i read some theories about strategic voting and stuff  I like to think that things wouldn't get all that wild in a fun contest like this and believe in a clean and very sportsmanship like "field"- add some rainbows, sunshine and butterflies to that for the complete experience! 

But in all seriousness, i like this way of voting over selecting a top X entry's because it keeps the results more open and things like originality and functionality will have a better judgment, because after all the first thing you judge are always  the looks. Anyway good luck to all the participants, i am looking forward to the results!

[Milan]

3 hours ago, Horation said:

I see one potential flaw with the ballot (but I've not checked if it's there, because I already voted), and that's non-random ordering, since it gives an advantage to entries up on the list (people are most likely to select the top entries and not to really rank everyone else's entries).

We took this into account for both this and the previous contest voting, and the order of the entries in the list was randomized for each voter in both contests.

[gyenesvi]

Nice contest, there are many nice and for me unexpected entries. One thing is for sure, it nicely showcases (in my opinion) real technic spirit; many interesting but fairly small entries packed with functions! Nothing big for the sake of being big :)

On 9/5/2024 at 8:33 PM, 2GodBDGlory said:

Yeah, I've thought about that too. I would honestly prefer for the rule to be that you have to put your entry at the top, because that would actually incentivize voting. I do still vote, though, in the spirit of sportsmanship, and I do have confidence that other people do as well

I think that would neatly solve the problem of down-voting others by abstaining from voting, but would not prevent people from literally down-voting other very promising entries by ordering them last, which could be another way to implement the same strategy. So not perfect solution. But let's suppose people here would not really do that.. :)

Actually, I still think the voting scheme of optionally giving +1 / +2 / +3 for each entry excluding your own (without any further restrictions on total points) would be more sound. As usual, I found about 6-7 really interesting entries, and had difficulty ordering the rest (even ordering the interesting ones is somewhat arbitrary after the first 3). I believe the simpler the system the less potential for even unwantedly abusing it. For example, with such a system, there would be no way for putting other entries into a disadvantage, I guess.

[Jim]

On 9/5/2024 at 8:33 PM, 2GodBDGlory said:

Yeah, I've thought about that too. I would honestly prefer for the rule to be that you have to put your entry at the top, because that would actually incentivize voting. I do still vote, though, in the spirit of sportsmanship, and I do have confidence that other people do as well

I actually like this suggestion. I will discuss it with @Milan. This seems like a win win situation.

[Seasider]

Just voted.

I hope as we’re all adults and these competitions are for fun that we’re not that childish or unsporting to do any of these things to try and rig/sway the votes.

 

[GerritvdG]

Voted, it was difficult to choose and rank with all these original and very different entries, but the top 10 was clear for me!  Good luck everyone!

[Krxlion]

Voted, I was already amused by two entries, so top two for me was pretty much decided at the start. But the rest was pretty hard. Great job everyone, and thank you for your entries, good luck!

[Mikdun]

Voted.

It was extremely hard for me to order the entries, they all are great. Really couldn't decide which one is the last and which the first.

Congratulation to all participants!