[MOC] Toyota Hilux 1985

[paave]

Here's my new creation: Toyota Hilux 1985

Features:

- 4x4
- Leaf spring suspension
- 2-speed gearbox
- Working 4l-engine
- Opening doors, bonnet, tailgate
- Door locks
- Panhar rod at the rear
- Working steering wheel
- Opening glove compartment
- Modular construction

Video:

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Instruction: https://boosty.to/paave/posts/1af3d94b-eaf9-4958-8958-94c5f3326f7d

[Lixander]

Great model! Well done ;))

[paave]

Thank you 

[rm8]

You are good designer with a lot of good models, but I confused... why can't you say that body is cop...inpsired by other design with minor changes and simpifiactions? even seat headrests...Not a tragedy, but...

 

 

 

[paave]

6 hours ago, rm8 said:

why can't you say

Because I don't have to?

6 hours ago, rm8 said:

You are good designer

As a good designer I use the best decisions for my creations. Coincidences are common, you are not the first to use those. Also you made 234144154 versions of the Hilux in this scale with different design decisions, which means it's impossible now to create a proper original model. And surely I don't want to downgrade my MOC just to avoid coincidences

7 hours ago, rm8 said:

seat headrests

Really? 2x 3L liftarms connected together?  Okay, I used that in my 911 long before your Toyota. Put credits!!!!

7 hours ago, rm8 said:

inpsired

It was inspired by the BTTF movie truck

I can agree my creation is not the most original. Still it's at least 75% unique with the 100% original chassis and I don't feel I should refer to anything

On the Instagram you already said like "couldn't you do better? looks like low quality fake". If it's so bad, why do you even care about it at all...

[rm8]

On 9/3/2024 at 8:08 AM, paave said:

Coincidences are common, you are not the first to use those.

Yes, but when it is the same model and same scale size, samу key konnecting points and measures between them, where majority of key design elements use the same lego pieces combinations - where is a coincidence? I can believe you If you did not see my “234144154“ versions “234144154” times. But you saw it, and knowing you can't do it alternative way without stealing model you still call it own.
As an experienced builder you should know that 80% of success in design is to find right shape. In modern lego technic it means - using right panels putting it to right places and angles.

I see that your reaction is more offensive that my comment. Purpose of post is not to prohibit, but to follow simple ethics. U can reuse, call it your own, and sell. But it is not correct.

Also I did not do 234144154 models. You are wrong again, Pavel.

 

[rm8]

2 hours ago, paave said:

It was inspired by the BTTF movie truck

No BTTF here at all: 

- wrong color

- wrong wheelbase/bed length

- wrong cabin size (I have correct version for you)

- no BTTF styling accesorries

 

[paave]

34 minutes ago, rm8 said:

As an experienced builder you should know that 80% of success in design is to find right shape. In modern lego technic it means - using right panels putting it to right places and angles.

That's why I built it the way it's built. I build what I want and the way I want. That's it. And everyone is free to do the same, until there's official regulation

35 minutes ago, rm8 said:

I see that your reaction is more offensive that my comment

Whatever my reaction is, you started being offensive

20 minutes ago, rm8 said:

No BTTF here at all: 

- wrong color

- wrong wheelbase/bed length

- wrong cabin size (I have correct version for you)

- no BTTF styling accesorries

Really? No way...
I was just explaining why I've chosen exactly Hilux

[gyenesvi]

Talking about the model itself :) Very nice one, I like the clean and simple design of the chassis, the modularity of the body, the realistic steering, gearbox and that it has leaf spring suspension! Nice trick that you used and extra linkage to center the steering link to avoid collision with the leaf spring! I have been experimenting with this kind of suspension as well (just preparing my model for publishing), and came up with a leaf spring geometry that's different to yours I believe. Can you show more images of the suspension itself without the wheels?

Unfortunately, when building a model on the same scale as others have built before, it is unavoidable to become similar; lego panels are not that varied that there would be many ways to build the same thing. In this case I could imagine both ways, either @paave being influenced by @rm8's model or him arriving at a very similar result (but different in its nuanced details) on his own (though I guess having seen others' models beforehand, it is hard not to be influenced). Anyways, in such cases I do make sure to give credits to the ones before me even if I could have come up with it on my own. And I understand @rm8 too, when I see a model that could be influenced by one of mine, I do like to get credit as well.

[paave]

8 hours ago, gyenesvi said:

Very nice one, I like the clean and simple design of the chassis, the modularity of the body, the realistic steering, gearbox and that it has leaf spring suspension! Nice trick that you used and extra linkage to center the steering link to avoid collision with the leaf spring!

Thanks!

8 hours ago, gyenesvi said:

Can you show more images of the suspension itself without the wheels?

[rm8]

On 9/3/2024 at 10:56 AM, paave said:

That's why I built it the way it's built. I build what I want and the way I want. That's it. And everyone is free to do the same, until there's official regulation 

Whatever my reaction is, you started being offensive

Really? No way...
I was just explaining why I've chosen exactly Hilux

What kind of official regulation you want? The body is just a slighlty simpified mod of NOT your creation. All the proprotions, angles, dimensions, sizes and fixing points between main body elements the same.

Changing one element with another similar size is not making design yours:  front light part "window" replaced with alternative headlight of the same size, grille between lights the same. Bonnet of the same size connected with the same angle, you just simplified its shape, are you sure you made design better? Windshield frame the same, even lower A pillar connected with half stud vertical offset. Roof, doors, overal cargo bed design with shortened front part and totally the same rear end. Width, height, only shortened length.

Yes, lego parts are limited and I made a lot of improvements and updates many time, this don't mean "nobody can do it anymore", but if you can't do it other way knowing that existing idea is best match, then build other scale to be unique or call the thing with proper names: You are selling without permission/notification/credits just a mod of not your model on your own chassis, and till this moment trying to argue and show off.

[paave]

4 hours ago, rm8 said:

What kind of official regulation you want?

Court order is fine

You are acting like authorship and ethics specialist. I believe, you are not either one or another. So please stop teaching me, I don't really need your lessons

I was first to create BTTF truck fully Technic in 2018. Then you create the same truck at the same scale and start selling instruction. I can say the same: you changed elements to others. You actually copied the hood, bumpers, fenders. Ok, you put panels, which were not available, when I had created mine. You copied the top light racks and light themselves. Put same turn signals. Copied rear lights. Copied connectors cover for lailgate. By your logic, you stolen my design.

 

On 9/3/2024 at 10:13 AM, rm8 said:

U can reuse, call it your own, and sell.

And if you generously allow me this, why are you keeping putting these expressions again? If you are a truth lover, then I'll tell you the truth. You project your agression on me, telling it's me starting to behave violent. And the reason you are mad is your hardly hit ego. You create a MOC and go around it for already 5 years spamming all the media with the "same" content. Instead of creating new, you are yelling at people, not seem to understand that every art is determined by other art more or less. I don't like this kind of behavior. Personality problems are being treated at the therapist

Edited September 4 by paave

[grum64]

Come on guys, please. This is a friendly place so please can we keep it that way. There’s far too much acrimony in this world without it spreading to these pages.

[Milan]

2 hours ago, grum64 said:

Come on guys, please.

I second this.
@rm8
@paave

I am sure many forum members think that both of you are really good LEGO builders.
And it's clear you've both put in a lot of effort into your models.
Instead of arguing over who did what first, it's better to focus on what makes each model unique.

[rm8]

@paave 

again could easily hit all your arguments, but wont do that. Now it’s clear - your personal negative relation behind all that.  No reason to discuss further.

All others, exuse me that you had to read all that.