42168 John Deere 9700 Forage Harvester

[Ngoc Nguyen]

 

Edited December 2, 2023 by Ngoc Nguyen

[Zerobricks]

This has got to be one of the most detailed and complete Technic sets so far. The designer really used a nice mix of studless and studded parts. Also nice to see 28 tooth gears in yellow and more Daytona diff parts.

[2GodBDGlory]

Looks decent enough for functionality, and the green is nice! More availability for those Daytona gears is nice, and the yellow 28T gears are interesting. I just hope that doesn't become the standard color for them!

[1gor]

Here goes golden oportunity for Lego to introduce 28 tooth straight gears... Looks like interesting parts pack

[gyenesvi]

Looks cool and functional! The green is good, and I like that they mix in studful slopes, works well with small panels. Interesting gear pack :)

[Saruzeufel]

I really don't like how this turned out... no tractor tyres, the attachment is not foldable from what it looks like and half of the discs on it turn the wrong way.

[Jundis]

Ok this is a very big let-down for me. My guess is they tried to do a bigger scale but failed and settled for this. This looks like a technic designer started it and a system designer had some pieces laying around... I mean I get the wheel arch but other than that, there are so many things wrong here:

- tractor tires missing at all
- bodywork looks way too generic, I don't see any resemblance to the original. I mean, look at the rear? Didn't they look at the original at all?
- too many system parts
- no folding of the corn mower
- wrong direction of gears

To sum my rant up: If you can't make a convincing IP model of an existing machine, just make a generic one and don't label it.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Jundis

[Maaboo the Witch]

Those exposed studs in the cab and the rear mudguards look terrible. Did TLG forget that tiles exist?

Also, the header isn't powered by the drive? Come on!

[kbalage]

12 minutes ago, Maaboo the Witch said:

Those exposed studs in the cab and the rear mudguards look terrible. Did TLG forget that tiles exist?

Also, the header isn't powered by the drive? Come on!

The header seems to be driven by that small wheel behind it, so it only works when that one touches the ground. 

[Maaboo the Witch]

9 minutes ago, kbalage said:

The header seems to be driven by that small wheel behind it, so it only works when that one touches the ground. 

That could have been more clearly communicated on the box art. With the knobs it looks like the gears are turned manually.

[kbalage]

8 minutes ago, Maaboo the Witch said:

That could have been more clearly communicated on the box art. With the knobs it looks like the gears are turned manually.

Give me a hint how you would do that :) In the top view the driving wheel is practically invisible, from the side you can't really see all gears so you cannot put arrows around them.

[Maaboo the Witch]

24 minutes ago, kbalage said:

Give me a hint how you would do that :) In the top view the driving wheel is practically invisible, from the side you can't really see all gears so you cannot put arrows around them.

Simple. Indicate the drive wheel moving and then the header.

Also, WHERE IS THE EFFING TRAILER?

Or are TLG expecting us to buy 42136 to provide this 🐕 with one?

Edited December 2, 2023 by Maaboo the Witch

[Oh_Hi_Mao]

Farming machine with truck tyres and  forage gears all rotating to one direction. Are they joking ? I would not buy it even for kids.  Kids would be educated wrong by this set. It is mechanically wrong.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Oh_Hi_Mao

[R0Sch]

Corn header completed. Just a bunch of gears lined up. This thing won't even touch the floor thanks to that thick 1x5 liftarm in the middle. 42168.io

Edited December 2, 2023 by R0Sch

[Maaboo the Witch]

At least 42136 looks good, and features some nice finishes. Here, the detailing in the cab is stacked plates and random-looking System parts (that seat and steering wheel, UGH). It's as if there were some spares from City lying around and the designer was told "use these. You have five minutes".

Sure, it can (probably) seat a minifig, but they'd have to awkwardly reach up to the steering wheel. And I'm not going to say anything about the inexplicable tyre selection beyond what's already been said.

AT LEAST there's no roof sticker this time.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Maaboo the Witch

[1gor]

31 minutes ago, Maaboo the Witch said:

At least 42136 looks good, and features some nice finishes. Here, the detailing in the cab is stacked plates and random-looking System parts (that seat and steering wheel, UGH). It's as if there were some spares from City lying around and the designer was told "use these. You have five minutes".

Sure, it can (probably) seat a minifig, but they'd have to awkwardly reach up to the steering wheel. And I'm not going to say anything about the inexplicable tyre selection beyond what's already been said.

AT LEAST there's no roof sticker this time.

You just red my mind. You are real Witch indeed

I will add - expensive partspack

[R0Sch]

While the windscreen in green as a mudguard is clever i suspect the System pieces will fall off easily.

[Maaboo the Witch]

5 hours ago, R0Sch said:

While the windscreen in green as a mudguard is clever i suspect the System pieces will fall off easily.

Depends on how they're secured. They might be fixed with the 2x2 plate with pin underneath.

EDIT: Nope, forget that. Took a closer look at the side view.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Maaboo the Witch

[Bartybum]

8 hours ago, Oh_Hi_Mao said:

Farming machine with truck tyres and  forage gears all rotating to one direction. Are they joking ? I would not buy it even for kids.  Kids would be educated wrong by this set. It is mechanically wrong.

I can't read this with a straight face, what you've said is so hilariously ridiculous.

It's a toy.

If you're complaining about education, then what's important here is that the parts spin, not which direction they spin in this specific model by this specific manufacturer.

You're complaining about trivia, not education.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Bartybum

[Oh_Hi_Mao]

43 minutes ago, Bartybum said:

I can't read this with a straight face, what you've said is so hilariously ridiculous.

It's a toy.

If you're complaining about education, then what's important here is that the parts spin, not which direction they spin in this specific model by this specific manufacturer.

You're complaining about trivia, not education.

It is a Technic toy. Based on a real licensed machine. Bare mininmum should be a corect representation of mechanical functions (not the looks). 

It is my opinion, you won't change it. By the way your approach to the discussion is not polite, please consider keeping offensive words to yourself  and find another way to express yourself. Thank you.

 

[R0Sch]

The only reason they used the 49.5 mm truck tires is because the small tractor tires are 56 mm in diameter and wouldn't fit. Still we are talking about 2mm radial clearance that could have been achieved by different mudguards e.g. panels (not using thick, ugly beams).

[Bartybum]

2 hours ago, Oh_Hi_Mao said:

It is my opinion, you won't change it. By the way your approach to the discussion is not polite, please consider keeping offensive words to yourself  and find another way to express yourself. Thank you.

No, I stand by what I said.

I think the way you've expressed your criticism of the set is ridiculous to the point of absurdity, especially the "I would not buy this, even for kids" bit.

You'd deny a child the joy of playing with a toy and learning about its other parts, like rear wheel steering, or the moving spout, or the raising attachment, because one of the details spins the wrong way.

If you're willing to express your opinion so intensely in a public forum and break down the moment it's challenged, that's on you.

Edited December 3, 2023 by Bartybum

[Outdoors02]

1 hour ago, Bartybum said:

No, I stand by what I said.

I think the way you've expressed your criticism of the set is ridiculous to the point of absurdity, especially the "I would not buy this, even for kids" bit.

You'd deny a child the joy of playing with a toy and learning about its other parts, like rear wheel steering, or the moving spout, or the raising attachment, because one of the details spins the wrong way.

If you're willing to express your opinion so intensely in a public forum and break down the moment it's challenged, that's on you.

I agree with you brother (or should I say mate ). If it were a set meant for display that contained thousands of pieces (and that would cost hundreds of dollars) then I'd be willing to nitpick it. But this is an approximately 40$ toy that's mostly marketed towards children and most importantly, that's meant to be used for play, not display. In other words, all the criticisms that it has received so far in this thread are, in my opinion, totally unreasonable. As a toy that is meant to be played with, aka not a display piece meant to gather dust, this set is great since it has clever functions that make it very playable. The same is true about the 42167 Mack LR Electric Garbage Truck. And remember, functions, which enable playability, will always be the single most important characteristic of Technic sets, especially small Technic sets that are typically popular among children who use them as toys.

I genuinely can't believe all the hatred that this set has received in just this thread. It's absolutely disgusting. It's as if people expected this set to have a bunch of new parts molded specifically for it so that it's an exact replica of a 9700 in the slightest detail, inside and out.

I for one like this set, I think that it makes good use of existing parts and it has interesting mechanisms. As a display piece, it's not my favorite, but as a small toy that's meant to be played with, I like it.

Edited December 3, 2023 by Outdoors02

[Ngoc Nguyen]

3 hours ago, R0Sch said:

the small tractor tires are 56 mm in diameter and wouldn't fit

Learned this the hard way while designing my mini Claas Xerion. In the end I gotta settle for this,

[Oh_Hi_Mao]

6 hours ago, Bartybum said:

No, I stand by what I said.

I think the way you've expressed your criticism of the set is ridiculous to the point of absurdity, especially the "I would not buy this, even for kids" bit.

You'd deny a child the joy of playing with a toy and learning about its other parts, like rear wheel steering, or the moving spout, or the raising attachment, because one of the details spins the wrong way.

If you're willing to express your opinion so intensely in a public forum and break down the moment it's challenged, that's on you.

If so I decline to continue this discussion. Have a nice day.