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On 1/19/2023 at 10:25 PM, Legoman123 said:

I suppose that makes more sense then.  I guess that throws my hopes away of an UCS Sail Barge.:laugh:  Although you would expect them to use the new Jabba mould for more than one set.

What makes u sure its a new mold? More likely only a new print

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35 minutes ago, Sneakguest said:

What makes u sure its a new mold? More likely only a new print

Having not been used since 2013, it HAS to be a new mold, technically speaking. :tongue:

But actually, I think they'll update it at least a little. The molds were good but they can definately be improved.

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4 hours ago, Legoman123 said:

Do we have a price for both UCS sets or something?  An Invisible Hand would be a good option Imo.  Shouldn't we expect an MBS this year instead of an UCS though? 

If I remember right, the May 4th D2C is $240 this year, and I think there is another set with a $200 price point with about 2,300 pieces reportedly releasing in September, so I'd guess it's taking the usual fall D2C slot. Details are scant at this point, though.

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6 hours ago, mirkwoodspiders said:

If I remember right, the May 4th D2C is $240 this year, and I think there is another set with a $200 price point with about 2,300 pieces reportedly releasing in September, so I'd guess it's taking the usual fall D2C slot. Details are scant at this point, though.

So we have no detail on what the sets will be but we have price points and pice count.  I'd expect one of these to be a MBS to be honest then.  More than likely the Endor Bunker.  

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1 hour ago, Legoman123 said:

So we have no detail on what the sets will be but we have price points and pice count.  I'd expect one of these to be a MBS to be honest then.  More than likely the Endor Bunker.  

I'd say that's a safe bet. $200 seems low for an MBS in comparison with years past, but you could fill out a decent Endor Bunker with 2,300 pieces I suppose. It would definitely make sense with the ROTJ anniversary this year.

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Not sure if this was discussed already, but what do people think are the chances that we get the S2 designs for the Bad Batch? I feel like the fact that Lego has already made two large sets for it suggests that it'll continue to be represented, but I don't know that we'll see it this year. I also have to wonder if they'll all be together or if they'd be spread out over multiple sets; there are other characters they could throw in too like Cid or Commander Cody, though they certainly seem much less likely to be made.

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On 1/21/2023 at 1:41 AM, Mandalorianknight said:

Having not been used since 2013, it HAS to be a new mold, technically speaking. :tongue:

But actually, I think they'll update it at least a little. The molds were good but they can definitely be improved.

I mean they'd have the cad files, so it would be cheaper to use the same one rather than design new. 

Now I'm trying to think of a mold that had a big gap in production like that, maybe the horse boarding? The new style one was last seen in 2013 before last year's D2C castle iirc, same with the kettle helmet.

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1 hour ago, Agent Kallus said:

I mean they'd have the cad files, so it would be cheaper to use the same one rather than design new. 

Now I'm trying to think of a mold that had a big gap in production like that, maybe the horse boarding? The new style one was last seen in 2013 before last year's D2C castle iirc, same with the kettle helmet.

I can think of a couple of examples within LSW now that you mention it. The Airborne Trooper had a 5 year gap in between 2015’s Geonosis Troopers Battle Pack and 2020’s Grievous’ Starfighter, and the Fifth Brother’s helmet was first produced in 2016 before returning in 2022 after 6 years. 

There’s definitely a precedent for reintroducing moulds that haven’t been updated in some manner, although I agree that the Jabba mould certainly has room for improvement.

With the recent release of the Mando S3 trailer, I’ve been thinking about whether Lego will finally produce a specialised darksaber piece to be included in the May tie-in sets. If memory serves, I remember the design team stating that they didn’t have the time / budget to create one for the N-1 because that was fast tracked into production to align with TBoBF. With the arrival of Season 3, now seems like the right time.

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There was also a 6 year gap between the Dewbacks in the 2014 and 2020 Cantina sets with only an updated print on the 2020 version. Similar size to the Jabba mold too.

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Not sure if it has been mentioned yet,

There is a rumor on Instagram of a new helmet, being the rebel Endor one: https://www.instagram.com/p/CnsfaCoJ1mo/

(Bit disappointing, not a big fan of the adult orientated line/helmets in general... but this one in particular doesn't seem so iconic to display? Will look rather 'empty' on display.)

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1 hour ago, betaplayer said:

Not sure if it has been mentioned yet,

There is a rumor on Instagram of a new helmet, being the rebel Endor one: https://www.instagram.com/p/CnsfaCoJ1mo/

(Bit disappointing, not a big fan of the adult orientated line/helmets in general... but this one in particular doesn't seem so iconic to display? Will look rather 'empty' on display.)

Hey, who knows maybe it could be the first wearable lego helmet. :laugh:

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8 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

I mean they'd have the cad files, so it would be cheaper to use the same one rather than design new. 

Now I'm trying to think of a mold that had a big gap in production like that, maybe the horse boarding? The new style one was last seen in 2013 before last year's D2C castle iirc, same with the kettle helmet.

I mean, a little, but altering the CAD model is pretty cheap compared to the mold itself. They definately could use the same, I'm just saying it wouldn't cost much at all to update it.

6 hours ago, betaplayer said:

(Bit disappointing, not a big fan of the adult orientated line/helmets in general... but this one in particular doesn't seem so iconic to display? Will look rather 'empty' on display.)

I'm well aware that this is an unpopular opinion, but this might be the first helmet I buy. I dunno, I just always liked the endor helmet.

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We don't actually know how long they keep moulds around that aren't actively used anymore :shrug_oh_well: We assume they're destroyed after a while, but I don't think that's ever outright been confirmed. The only instance I remember is the goat mould, but as the story goes, that one broke by accident and just didn't get replaced :tongue:

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Last year also saw the reintroduction of a couple of hair moulds after quite a long time, for no apparent reason. Suddenly Scooby-Doo's Fred hair reappeared after being last seen in 2015 (7 years) and the Dino Tracker hair reappeared after being last seen in 2014 (8 years).

LEGO works in mysterious ways sometimes.

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4 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

We don't actually know how long they keep moulds around that aren't actively used anymore :shrug_oh_well: We assume they're destroyed after a while, but I don't think that's ever outright been confirmed. The only instance I remember is the goat mould, but as the story goes, that one broke by accident and just didn't get replaced :tongue:

We do actually know for a fact that the molds are destroyed after a certain time without being used. This has been stated in many designer interviews, books, etc. Now I don't believe we know the exact timeframe (probably because there isn't one), but we do know from the designer interview about the new bionicle set (or rather, what the LAN members there can tell us about that interview) that the bionicle molds have been destroyed to the extent that they couldn't even make a CCBS tahu. Since literally all molds used for bionicle G2 (the CCBS one) were created or at least in use in 2015, 2 years after the last Jabba fig, I think it's safe to assume that the Jabba molds were destroyed. My guess is the more specific a mold is, the faster it's destroyed after being retired. (Honestly at this point I'd say any of the KoR helmet molds are close to being destroyed, if they haven't already been) Now, they could bring it back so long as they have the 3-D part files, but if they're going to the trouble of making a new physical mold, my guess is they'd update the Jabba fig.

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Lego, the biggest toy company in the world, can make any mold they want. It's 2023 and making plastic toys is no rocket science. Even if the mold is destroyed and the 3D files lost, they should be able to create a fairly good recreation of the old mold.

There must be other reasons for or against a certain mold. But since Lego acts like some intelligence agency and everything is super-duper top secret, we will never know :laugh::laugh:

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23 minutes ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

Lego, the biggest toy company in the world, can make any mold they want. It's 2023 and making plastic toys is no rocket science. Even if the mold is destroyed and the 3D files lost, they should be able to create a fairly good recreation of the old mold.

There must be other reasons for or against a certain mold. But since Lego acts like some intelligence agency and everything is super-duper top secret, we will never know :laugh::laugh:

I don't think anyone's arguing that they're literally unable to recreate the mold, rather that if the mold is destroyed there's not really an additional cost to upgrading it.

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3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

We do actually know for a fact that the molds are destroyed after a certain time without being used. This has been stated in many designer interviews, books, etc. Now I don't believe we know the exact timeframe (probably because there isn't one), but we do know from the designer interview about the new bionicle set (or rather, what the LAN members there can tell us about that interview) that the bionicle molds have been destroyed to the extent that they couldn't even make a CCBS tahu. Since literally all molds used for bionicle G2 (the CCBS one) were created or at least in use in 2015, 2 years after the last Jabba fig, I think it's safe to assume that the Jabba molds were destroyed. My guess is the more specific a mold is, the faster it's destroyed after being retired. (Honestly at this point I'd say any of the KoR helmet molds are close to being destroyed, if they haven't already been) Now, they could bring it back so long as they have the 3-D part files, but if they're going to the trouble of making a new physical mold, my guess is they'd update the Jabba fig.

I'd actually argue it makes a lot more sense for them to kill an entire line thanto kill individual parts. They likely determined they are not going to do CCBS again so they don't need the molds again, where as with normal parts they can be used again later. 

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9 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

We do actually know for a fact that the molds are destroyed after a certain time without being used. This has been stated in many designer interviews, books, etc. Now I don't believe we know the exact timeframe (probably because there isn't one) […]

We don’t know the logistics of course, but I suspect that there isn’t a rule that EVERY mould needs to be destroyed after a while. Moulds for very specific specialised pieces that will in all likelihood never be used again, like all the Trolls minifig parts? Those surely won’t catch any dust.

Moulds for a Star Wars antagonist who, while having limited set potential, will 100% show up again in the eventual remakes of those sets? Probably safer to keep the mould around :laugh:

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6 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

We don’t know the logistics of course, but I suspect that there isn’t a rule that EVERY mould needs to be destroyed after a while. Moulds for very specific specialised pieces that will in all likelihood never be used again, like all the Trolls minifig parts? Those surely won’t catch any dust.

Moulds for a Star Wars antagonist who, while having limited set potential, will 100% show up again in the eventual remakes of those sets? Probably safer to keep the mould around :laugh:

Counterpoint: Goat.

5 hours ago, TotoMagnus said:

Is the rumoured AT-AT Pilot helmet from last year still „a thing“?

Was that ever an actual reliable source or just people speculating since it's another semi-iconic imperial helmet?

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14 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Counterpoint: Goat

The destruction of the goat mold was unintended.

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Maybe there is something important i don't get, but i don't understand why there is so much talk about the goat mold over so many years now. Do you guys really think that Lego is unable to create a new goat mold that resembles the old one?

And why would a company deliberately destroy their old molds when they are so very expensive to make? Unless a mold is worn out there is always the chance to use it again in the future, no?

To me it sounds completely crazy that they would destroy a mold like Jabba, only to create a new one after some years :shrug_confused:

I think all of this discussion is due to the fact that nobody knows for sure and so there are a lot of theories in the community :shrug_confused:

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2 hours ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

Maybe there is something important i don't get, but i don't understand why there is so much talk about the goat mold over so many years now. Do you guys really think that Lego is unable to create a new goat mold that resembles the old one?

And why would a company deliberately destroy their old molds when they are so very expensive to make? Unless a mold is worn out there is always the chance to use it again in the future, no?

To me it sounds completely crazy that they would destroy a mold like Jabba, only to create a new one after some years :shrug_confused:

I think all of this discussion is due to the fact that nobody knows for sure and so there are a lot of theories in the community :shrug_confused:

No, dude, we do know for sure that they destroy molds after a certain time with no usage. Now what that time is is unknown, but it is a fact that the lego group destroys molds after a certain period of them not being used in sets. They have stated this multiple times.

3 hours ago, Agent Kallus said:

The destruction of the goat mold was unintended.

Wait, what? Really? That's hilarious.

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