LEGO Star Wars 2023 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[AD_Bricks]

3 hours ago, The Stud said:

Let the wide release battle packs be the army builders.

And also make more than one single battle pack every 12 months. I'd like to build upon than one faction (or sub-faction in the case of the Snowtrooper BP) each year.

Edited November 10, 2022 by AD_Bricks

[BrickBob Studpants]

6 hours ago, The Stud said:

That’s exactly what they should be used for, packs of characters you only really need one or two of.

Couldn’t agree more. Accessory packs simply don’t work as armybuilders with that sort of availability

But even if they did include unique characters, the budget for these is so low you can’t expect more than two new prints out of them anyway.

That said, I would still like to see new ones, but I’m certain we would’ve heard about them by now.

[AD_Bricks]

I'd just like an Andor one with, say, Cassian in a different outfit, and then two or three characters from either Ferrix or Aldhani. Most of them wouldn't even require leg printing, and they could definitely get away with reusing faces, considering the characters all seem to be normal humans, and they already reused a way-too-common face for Syril Karn (aka Cereal Karn). 

Edit: Just wanted to clarify that this is definitely not wishlisting at all because I'm pointing out that it's something LEGO realistically could do.

 

Edited November 10, 2022 by AD_Bricks

[McMurder_them_softly]

6 hours ago, AD_Bricks said:

Syril Karn (aka Cereal Karn). 

You got a good chuckle out of me with that one, thank you 

[BrickBob Studpants]

8 hours ago, AD_Bricks said:

considering the characters all seem to be normal humans

Yeah, as much as the show has grown on me over the weeks, that’s still one of my bigger gripes with it. None of the characters really stick out in terms of visuals, which would also make for pretty dull minifigs.

The aliens are mostly background fodder and barely have any speaking lines. Not even Mas Amedda shows up in the Senate scenes. Come on! And the excuse Gilroy made doesn’t add up either (him not knowing how to weave alien species into the plot). The Dhanis for instance easily could‘ve been an alien species.

Also, still not sure why there wasn’t even a single alien in the entire prison. Don’t tell me humans are the only sentient species not resistant to electrocution

 

[ginja]

13 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

 

Also, still not sure why there wasn’t even a single alien in the entire prison. Don’t tell me humans are the only sentient species not resistant to electrocution

 

The empire was notoriously human supremacist. Its quite possible that non humans would be elsewhere suffering worse fates. 

[Yperio_Bricks]

4 minutes ago, ginja said:

The empire was notoriously human supremacist. Its quite possible that non humans would be elsewhere suffering worse fates. 

Yeah, or there was simply not enough left of the budget to have some aliens in the show (make-up, costumes, sound design).

It is always nice to have non-human species in LEGO SW sets, but with their absence in the source material we'll hardly get any.

[AD_Bricks]

3 hours ago, McMurder_them_softly said:

You got a good chuckle out of me with that one, thank you 

Glad to hear, mate.

 

2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Yeah, as much as the show has grown on me over the weeks, that’s still one of my bigger gripes with it. None of the characters really stick out in terms of visuals, which would also make for pretty dull minifigs.

The aliens are mostly background fodder and barely have any speaking lines. Not even Mas Amedda shows up in the Senate scenes. Come on! And the excuse Gilroy made doesn’t add up either (him not knowing how to weave alien species into the plot). The Dhanis for instance easily could‘ve been an alien species.

Also, still not sure why there wasn’t even a single alien in the entire prison. Don’t tell me humans are the only sentient species not resistant to electrocution

Although what ginja said about the Imps being human supremacist is true, I do agree that there could easily have been aliens in other contexts, like, as you mentioned, the Dhanis.

[The Stud]

3 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Yeah, as much as the show has grown on me over the weeks, that’s still one of my bigger gripes with it. None of the characters really stick out in terms of visuals, which would also make for pretty dull minifigs.

The aliens are mostly background fodder and barely have any speaking lines. Not even Mas Amedda shows up in the Senate scenes. Come on! And the excuse Gilroy made doesn’t add up either (him not knowing how to weave alien species into the plot). The Dhanis for instance easily could‘ve been an alien species.

Also, still not sure why there wasn’t even a single alien in the entire prison. Don’t tell me humans are the only sentient species not resistant to electrocution

 

I just assumed that the aliens were kept in a separate location. You can see other prisons on the horizon on Narkina 5, so maybe they have different locations for different groups. The one Cassian went to was obviously the one for human males.

16 hours ago, AD_Bricks said:

And also make more than one single battle pack every 12 months. I'd like to build upon than one faction (or sub-faction in the case of the Snowtrooper BP) each year.

Same here, especially with there being so much demand for army building in general these days. It's like Lego got scared off from doing multiple battle packs in one year because they made some questionable decisions with some of the recent ones they were making (Jedi/Clone battle pack, Tatooine battle pack, etc.) that probably resulted in them not selling too well.

[Mandalorianknight]

4 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

The Dhanis for instance easily could‘ve been an alien species.

But the rebels were disguised as Dhanis on their way to the base. I'm sure there'd be a way to work them into the plot without any big story changes, but they'd have to make slight alterations just to add aliens, when it wasn't necessarily needed. Aside from someone like Brasso or Timm being alien, there's not a ton of room for it.

In general though, I think the reason he doesn't want to do aliens is that as humans, we read human emotion best. 

45 minutes ago, The Stud said:

I just assumed that the aliens were kept in a separate location. You can see other prisons on the horizon on Narkina 5, so maybe they have different locations for different groups. The one Cassian went to was obviously the one for human males.

100% agree. They even sorted by homeworld. My guess it was human males to manufacture that particular widget, and aliens more naturally adept at something else at work in other prisons on other widgets.

48 minutes ago, The Stud said:

Same here, especially with there being so much demand for army building in general these days. It's like Lego got scared off from doing multiple battle packs in one year because they made some questionable decisions with some of the recent ones they were making (Jedi/Clone battle pack, Tatooine battle pack, etc.) that probably resulted in them not selling too well.

No idea what you're on about, I bought like 4 of the tatooine battle pack (I'm sort of joking? I personally did buy 4 as I love jawas but I totally get how it's a questionable decision.)

My guess is it's economic. The prices of battle packs are climbing, and whether or not that's TLG's fault (I'd say for the battle pack it's not really, inflation's a bantha, but there are certainly overpriced sets out there), it means that they aren't as easy for people to army build. It might just be that lego believes it's no longer economically feasible to have multiple wide-release BPs out in the same year. For instance, I wouldn't buy as many copies of the 501st specialists pack if they were also releasing, say, an endor rebels pack the same wave. Back when BPs were $13 or even $15, I might have bought 2 of each, but now it'd just take me from 2 501st packs to one of each. Ofc that's just an anecdote, but if you've got enough of those anecdotes, it gets to the point where it's no longer worth it to produce another pack if it's not going to increase sales that much.

Now don't get me wrong, I'd prefer more battle packs a year, I'd prefer to have that choice. But Lego might no longer view that as profitable.

[BrickBob Studpants]

3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

But the rebels were disguised as Dhanis on their way to the base.

Hehe, I knew somebody would bring this up  They made a point of showing how fast the TIE Fighter was flying over the rebels for intimidation purposes, so there was no way the pilot would‘ve recognised them in their disguise even if the Dhani were non-human.

3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

In general though, I think the reason he doesn't want to do aliens is that as humans, we read human emotion best. 

Grogu. BB-8. R2. 3PO. Chewy. Mando in his helmet.

We can easily read emotions with all of these characters  Also, a lot of classic SW aliens have very human-like features

[jdubbs]

2 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Grogu. BB-8. R2. 3PO. Chewy. Mando in his helmet.

We can easily read emotions with all of these characters  Also, a lot of classic SW aliens have very human-like features

This is a stretch. Those characters emote only the basest, most rudimentary emotions. Happy! Sad. Befuddled? Angry! In other words, emoticons, not emotions. No mask or CGI overlay is going to do justice to the complexity of these characters' motivations and responses...

FWIW Gilroy has acknowledged the lack of aliens in his latest batch of interviews, and it sounds like it will be addressed to some extent in season 2. 

[ToaDraco]

1 hour ago, jdubbs said:

This is a stretch. Those characters emote only the basest, most rudimentary emotions. Happy! Sad. Befuddled? Angry! In other words, emoticons, not emotions. No mask or CGI overlay is going to do justice to the complexity of these characters' motivations and responses...

FWIW Gilroy has acknowledged the lack of aliens in his latest batch of interviews, and it sounds like it will be addressed to some extent in season 2. 

I'm glad to hear it, I love Star Wars aliens but not enough of them are given major roles outside of animation. Fingers-crossed we get some Ithorians next season.

[BrickBob Studpants]

6 hours ago, jdubbs said:

This is a stretch. Those characters emote only the basest, most rudimentary emotions.

Of course it‘s not on the same level. My point was that emotions don‘t necessarily need a human face to be conveyed.

6 hours ago, jdubbs said:

No mask or CGI overlay is going to do justice to the complexity of these characters' motivations and responses...

Kinda ironic, considering Mr MoCap himself is in the show

6 hours ago, jdubbs said:

FWIW Gilroy has acknowledged the lack of aliens in his latest batch of interviews, and it sounds like it will be addressed to some extent in season 2. 

Good. Sure hope so

[Big_Daddy]

To jump on the battle pack band waggon, I would certainly like it if they released more than one a year. Of course it would depend on how desirable the minifigs would be, but I can't imagine a combo of 75035 Kashyyyk troopers and 75036 Utapau troopers like in 2014 underperforming in any way these days. There was even a third battle pack in that year with the 75034 death star troopers; personally I would have bought them all if I wouldn't have been in my dark ages back then. And I just checked and after that there were several years where four BPs were released. Maybe the Sequel Trilogy themed battle packs as well as the jedi/clone one and Tatooine one underperformed? I'd say there's enough potential in Star Wars still to release mutliple successful battle packs per year.

[Mandalorianknight]

12 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Grogu. BB-8. R2. 3PO. Chewy. Mando in his helmet.

I'll let Jdubbs take this one for me:

10 hours ago, jdubbs said:

This is a stretch. Those characters emote only the basest, most rudimentary emotions. Happy! Sad. Befuddled? Angry! In other words, emoticons, not emotions. No mask or CGI overlay is going to do justice to the complexity of these characters' motivations and responses...

FWIW Gilroy has acknowledged the lack of aliens in his latest batch of interviews, and it sounds like it will be addressed to some extent in season 2. 

Just to add on to that. Yeah. Characters like this we can get simple emotions from. But you can't put the complexity in the face of a man who's starting to realize there's only one way out, or a man who 

Spoiler

realizes he's just saved everyone but himself

in a CGI character. You can't tell me that the  "I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them" speech would be as effective coming out of chewbacca (and not only because it'd sound like "grgrrrrgrrgrgrrr")

3 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Kinda ironic, considering Mr MoCap himself is in the show

And gives the most emotionally complex performance he ever has. 

12 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Hehe, I knew somebody would bring this up  They made a point of showing how fast the TIE Fighter was flying over the rebels for intimidation purposes, so there was no way the pilot would‘ve recognised them in their disguise even if the Dhani were non-human.

...I don't think that group would be fine with "well, they're going pretty fast. They probably won't recognize that we're human". 

 

 

Anyway, to try and stop the conversation from going completely off-topic, we should be getting images of the january sets in a few weeks. They almost always leak around thanksgiving (Actually I think the leak has fallen on thanksgiving itself multiple times in the past 5 years or so)

[BrickBob Studpants]

4 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

You can't tell me that the  "I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them" speech would be as effective coming out of chewbacca […]

I‘m not saying Luthen or Kino should‘ve been aliens, but some of the side characters in the prison or heist arcs (or more of the workers on Ferrix other than just the one) pretty easily could‘ve been

4 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Anyway, to try and stop the conversation from going completely off-topic, we should be getting images of the january sets in a few weeks. They almost always leak around thanksgiving (Actually I think the leak has fallen on thanksgiving itself multiple times in the past 5 years or so)

I look forward to the reveals, but wake me up when the real interesting stuff gets revealed in March

[AD_Bricks]

I know Andor hasn't presented itself as very set-worthy, but LEGO would have to be 8x as bad at making decisions as they evidently are to not make a single other set from this show, considering it's had such a glorious reception among so many people. I, for one, was convinced by this latest episode that it surpasses Mando and the vast majority of TCW, and before Andor, those two were tying as my favourite shows of all time.

[ArrowBricks]

12 minutes ago, AD_Bricks said:

I know Andor hasn't presented itself as very set-worthy, but LEGO would have to be 8x as bad at making decisions as they evidently are to not make a single other set from this show, considering it's had such a glorious reception among so many people. I, for one, was convinced by this latest episode that it surpasses Mando and the vast majority of TCW, and before Andor, those two were tying as my favourite shows of all time.

I love the show, but it isn’t completely Star Warsesque and I think it will struggle to transfer to Lego. 

I think the ship that will appear in the final episodes has a chance, though. 

[AD_Bricks]

3 minutes ago, ArrowBricks said:

I love the show, but it isn’t completely Star Warsesque and I think it will struggle to transfer to Lego. 

I think the ship that will appear in the final episodes has a chance, though. 

Yeah. I don't think they could even attempt to make as many sets for it as Mando, but limiting us to one singular set with three figures for a show this good would be absurd.

[ArrowBricks]

1 hour ago, AD_Bricks said:

Yeah. I don't think they could even attempt to make as many sets for it as Mando, but limiting us to one singular set with three figures for a show this good would be absurd.

Completely understand the sentiment. 

But, actually, because the show has gotten so much better, I’m not that all interested in the set that currently exists even though I’m glued! - The paradox! 

Sometimes we just have to appreciate the series and accept we won’t get added enjoyment through official Lego products. I think Mocs will go wild for Andor in the near future! 

 

 

[AD_Bricks]

On the topic of Andor not being so set-accessible, this MOC by Not That Sam Smith seems like it would be a decent set, with lots of play and display possibilities, but still probably not something TLG would do anything like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6_UXJGqU_I

[BrickBob Studpants]

Nice MOC, but this again highlights that sets based on the show would not have much to offer in terms of interesting minifigs. For instance, Lucasfilm have introduced at least one new type of Imperial/First Order trooper in every project since Rebels (except for TBoBF) and in a show set around the ideal timeframe for another variant, they just decided to ditch that?!  Officers and ISB personnel are way less cool than any helmeted trooper

In my opinion, out of all the live-action series so far, the one the needs another set the most is TBoBF. Still daydreaming about a set based on the season finale with Cad Bane, Santy, Pyke goons, a Skorpenek droid and Boba’s Rancor

[Mandalorianknight]

8 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Nice MOC, but this again highlights that sets based on the show would not have much to offer in terms of interesting minifigs. For instance, Lucasfilm have introduced at least one new type of Imperial/First Order trooper in every project since Rebels (except for TBoBF) and in a show set around the ideal timeframe for another variant, they just decided to ditch that?!  Officers and ISB personnel are way less cool than any helmeted trooper

In my opinion, out of all the live-action series so far, the one the needs another set the most is TBoBF. Still daydreaming about a set based on the season finale with Cad Bane, Santy, Pyke goons, a Skorpenek droid and Boba’s Rancor

I think this is the first time I've heard someone complain that we DIDN'T get a new made-for-merch stormtrooper variant.  Either way, this show has non-mimban Army troopers, which was huge for me as a fan of the old legends notion that stormtroopers were shock troops and most troops were just standard Army/Navy. And yeah, it's debatable as to whether or not they're new, but still, it's something. A minfigure would be different enough, at least.

 

I do think that Tbobf needs that set. I didn't like the show, but the set would sell well. And I think that's the difference between quality and how well a set from it would sell. Luthen's monologue by the elevator is one of my favorite SW scenes, but it'd be a terrible set. Meanwhile, I think the TBoBF finale was a disjointed mess (though I loved the scene where it was just Boba and Mando alone), but it would be a great set.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Mandalorianknight

[BrickBob Studpants]

22 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I think this is the first time I've heard someone complain that we DIDN'T get a new made-for-merch stormtrooper variant. 

Yes, I love all the Stormie and Clone variants, whether they serve a story purpose or not  The more the merrier! 

23 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Either way, this show has non-mimban Army troopers […]

It does, but the only major difference is that they‘re not as muddy as those  If we got them as minifigs, the helmet would  be exactly the same as in the Solo TIE Fighter with different torso and leg prints, plus a riot shield.

Not the most exciting thing in the world, but I‘d take it