LEGO Star Wars 2023 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[Agent Kallus]

34 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

 

Even that isn't necessarily true. Lots of AOTC was in response to TPM's reception, including, thankfully, the relative lack of Jar Jar. IIRC, the plan for the villains throughout the trilogy also sort of changed on the fly, which I feel does show upon a rewatch.  The clone wars series really served to fix a lot of the weirder parts of the prequels, as I'm sure will be done for the sequels.

EDIT: I just realized that you can draw some direct connections. Ep 9 did to rose what Eps 2 and 3 did to Jar Jar (not to say Rose is anywhere near as awful as Jar Jar). The sequels also have a weird villain thing where seemingly prominent villains are killed off earlier in the trilogy leading to new ones popping up from nowhere (which, at least for the prequels it was the apprentices, and not the master, which is not nearly as bad).

A fair point, though I did say more cohesive, not entirely cohesive 

And as much as I like The Clone Wars, I don't think it's a much as a prequel fixer as people say, and dare I say there are some parts of the prequels the TCW did dirty, like Dooku.

 

[Flawless Cowboy]

3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

The prequels were critical bombs in the eyes of fans at the time. The kids who grew up with the sequels will like them, and there'll be a whole "guys the sequels are actually really good" like there was with the prequels. Because no, the prequels are not "good", at least not significantly better than the sequels. They have terrible CGI, laughably bad acting and dialogue, etc. As much as people complain that the sequels broke characters like Luke (which don't get me wrong I hate what they did with Luke in TLJ), people complained at the time that they broke characters like Vader and Yoda. The people who grew up with the prequels were just first exposed to those versions and never had those issues. There's nothing wrong with liking the prequels, but this "the prequels are actually really good, but the sequels are terrible" is a bad take IMO.

TLDR: Just like you think the prequels are good, the people who grow up with the sequels will think they are good.

They are much more important characters than they were in S1 and S2 though. I wouldn't discount seeing them again in a year or two.

Wholeheartedly disagree on all counts. Lucas’ films imo are all more or less on par with each other (and unlike the sequels, and perhaps most importantly, follow a single, cohesive vision) and any criticism levied towards the prequels could equally apply to the OT. Fans who are illiterate to the art of film making and film history shouldn’t be the final authority on what makes a film good or bad, it’s the unfortunate side effect of the entertainment industry that the loudest critics in film/literature/gaming are not the same people who make or understand them. Also, forgive the hyperbolic statement here, but there are no kids who grew up loving the sequels, as evidenced by the complete bombing of sequel-related toys and lack of series that overlap with the sequels. There is no burning desire to “redeem” the sequels with a Clone Wars series. It’s been 8 years since TFA. If the sequels were to age like the prequels in the eyes of the masses, we are way overdue a change in opinion. 

Edited March 25, 2023 by Flawless Cowboy

[jdubbs]

I’ll be honest I don’t understand the obsession with either Rex or the Gunship. Rex feels like a character the more vocal complainers in the fandom defaulted to once they could no longer obsess about Cody. Not in any movies, yes very prominent in the cartoon but still, he’s just a clone. One of literally millions. One that essentially boils down to a slight variation in deco on existing parts. The gunship meanwhile has been done at least twice now, is readily available on the aftermarket, has been moc’ed many times, can be built from bricklinked parts, etc. Yes, at a price but honestly not that much higher than whatever Lego will eventually charge for a new one. 

I don’t mean to yuk on anyone’s yum but rather to say that there seem to be much larger holes when it comes to PT representation in Lego. Ships and locations and scenes that have only been done once or not at all. But especially: minifigs… there are, what, 20 versions of Padme as yet unmade, and several times that many Jedi, senators, separatists, aliens, and so on. None of which can easily be kitbashed from existing parts or have been made as customs. 

And, even though I am personally more interested in OT/ST era sets, I for one would rather have new figs and sets from any of the trilogies or eras, than rehashes of stuff that’s either been made before or that’s only vaguely differentiated…

Edited March 25, 2023 by jdubbs

[Brickroll]

8 minutes ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

Wholeheartedly disagree on all counts. Lucas’ films imo are all more or less on par with each other and any criticism levied towards the prequels could equally apply to the OT. Fans who are illiterate to the art of film making and film history shouldn’t be the final authority on what makes a film good or bad, it’s the unfortunate side effect of the entertainment industry that the loudest critics in film/literature/gaming are not the same people who make or understand them.

Okay, but I must ask: what makes you different from the other fans? Are you simply stating your opinion here, or do you want to state that the prequels are good films from a filmmaking standpoint?

 

Anyways, how did we get to this conversation exactly? 
I think it isn’t entirely unfair to say that Lego has an OT bias, but at the same time, it seems like it’s working. Personally, I think there’s a so-far unexplored market of Minifigure scaled, high quality sets, which is really where Lego should probably go with the Ot. Dioramas are a step in the right direction, but I sort of see something of a juniorification of recent non D2C SW sets in general, when I’m not sure if that’s where Lego should be going. 

[Flawless Cowboy]

6 minutes ago, Brickroll said:

Okay, but I must ask: what makes you different from the other fans? Are you simply stating your opinion here, or do you want to state that the prequels are good films from a filmmaking standpoint?

 

Anyways, how did we get to this conversation exactly? 
I think it isn’t entirely unfair to say that Lego has an OT bias, but at the same time, it seems like it’s working. Personally, I think there’s a so-far unexplored market of Minifigure scaled, high quality sets, which is really where Lego should probably go with the Ot. Dioramas are a step in the right direction, but I sort of see something of a juniorification of recent non D2C SW sets in general, when I’m not sure if that’s where Lego should be going. 

Absolutely stating my own opinion here, just pointing out the criticism of “well a lot of fans dislike it” is weak when it comes to judging cinema.

My arguments against the sequels draw on public response because love for the sequels, sequel toys (including Lego), and sequel series depend on public response, rather than the artistic merits of the films. If there’s no market, there will be no products, and I don’t see a market.  

As to Lego Star Wars, I think the breakdown of the helmets series, which are rumored to be over, is a perfect illustration of how they distribute their priorities. 11 helmets, 7 OT, 2 clone wars, and 2 Mando. 

Edited March 25, 2023 by Flawless Cowboy

[Agent Kallus]

19 minutes ago, jdubbs said:

Blah Blah blah

 

22 minutes ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

Blah blah blah 

You 2 competing for most moronic statement of the day?

Whilst they aren't my favourites the sequels still have value.

And Rex is just another clone? Luke is just another jedi , Han just another human , padme's outfits just another dress... And this is Lego, anything could be bricklinked and built, literally anything.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Agent Kallus

[Flawless Cowboy]

3 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

 

You 2 competing for most moronic statement of the day?

Whilst they aren't my favourites the sequels still have value.

And Rex is just another clone? Luke is just another jedi , Han just another human , padme's outfits just another dress... And this is Lego, anything could be bricklinked and built, literally anything.

I never said they don’t have value. Your reading comprehension is depressingly poor. Anyhow, this is getting off topic. 

[Fulcrumfan91]

I'm gonna say the other set we get of the big ones is either the Naboo cruiser or something else that's skeleton crew related. Also, I dont think it makes a ton of sense that promobricks said this wave was gonna be controversial and that we'd get the LAAT which basically is what seemingly everyone wants.

[Agent Kallus]

6 minutes ago, Fulcrumfan91 said:

I'm gonna say the other set we get of the big ones is either the Naboo cruiser or something else that's skeleton crew related. Also, I dont think it makes a ton of sense that promobricks said this wave was gonna be controversial and that we'd get the LAAT which basically is what seemingly everyone wants.

Yeah, I'm not expecting a LAAT anyway, but the mechs are probably enough of a controversy on thier own.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Agent Kallus

[jdubbs]

17 minutes ago, Agent Kallus said:

 

You 2 competing for most moronic statement of the day?

Whilst they aren't my favourites the sequels still have value.

And Rex is just another clone? Luke is just another jedi , Han just another human , padme's outfits just another dress... And this is Lego, anything could be bricklinked and built, literally anything.

Dude. At least try to be respectful of others' opinions. I disagree with a lot of you on many, many topics, but I don't reduce your comments to "blah blah" or call you morons. 

[Agent Kallus]

Just now, jdubbs said:

Dude. At least try to be respectful of others' opinions. I disagree with a lot of you on many, many topics, but I don't reduce your comments to "blah blah" or call you morons. 

Sorry that was uncalled for, TBH I only replaced it with blah blah because I was quoting two long posts and it made my post incredibly long but that doesn't excuse being rude, I should of just done an ellipsis.

[Mandalorianknight]

59 minutes ago, Flawless Cowboy said:

Wholeheartedly disagree on all counts. Lucas’ films imo are all more or less on par with each other (and unlike the sequels, and perhaps most importantly, follow a single, cohesive vision) and any criticism levied towards the prequels could equally apply to the OT. Fans who are illiterate to the art of film making and film history shouldn’t be the final authority on what makes a film good or bad, it’s the unfortunate side effect of the entertainment industry that the loudest critics in film/literature/gaming are not the same people who make or understand them. Also, forgive the hyperbolic statement here, but there are no kids who grew up loving the sequels, as evidenced by the complete bombing of sequel-related toys and lack of series that overlap with the sequels. There is no burning desire to “redeem” the sequels with a Clone Wars series. It’s been 8 years since TFA. If the sequels were to age like the prequels in the eyes of the masses, we are way overdue a change in opinion. 

This is an absolutely hilarious take. "No, you see, the prequels are good and the sequels aren't because fans don't like the prequels, whereas fans don't like the sequels." It's nonsense. Both trilogies have been lambasted by fans. Find a middle aged man and he'll tell you the same things about the prequels that a millennial or older gen z will tell you about the sequels. 

As for the sequels not selling... did sequel legos do that poorly? I don't remember seeing them on sale any more than other star wars sets. 

As for "Its been 8 years since TFA. If the sequels were to age like the prequels in the eyes of the masses, we are way overdue a change in opinion.". No, not at all. It was 8 years between TPM and the clone wars film, 9 between TPM and the start of the show. As of the production of TFA, the prequels were still almost unanimously regarded as terrible. Public opinion didn't change until after the sequels started releasing. 

All this is super off topic, so I'm gonna move on now.

55 minutes ago, jdubbs said:

I’ll be honest I don’t understand the obsession with either Rex or the Gunship. Rex feels like a character the more vocal complainers in the fandom defaulted to once they could no longer obsess about Cody. Not in any movies, yes very prominent in the cartoon but still, he’s just a clone.

As someone who hates all the whining from fans that they're entitled to every clone trooper ever made, I think Rex is definately overdue. He's the main clone in the clone wars. He's more well-known than Cody or any other commander. I don't think it's some grave sin that we haven't had one in a decade, but it is a little mind-boggling that they didn't shunt him into one of the many clone-focused sets of the past few years for an easy sales increase.

[jdubbs]

Okay, while Rex may not be "just another clone", he is yet another clone. Which we've gotten a LOT of lately... in the last 5 years we've had phase 1 clones, phase 2 clones, defective clones, airborne clones, specialist clones, white clones, orange clones, blue clones, purple clones, flame yellow clones, more blue clones, and more blue clones after that... it's a lot of friggin clones. And, for some of us, there is more to the PT than just clones. There was a time when a set like the AT-TE would come with a few new Jedi and then a BP would come out allowing you to mass up the corresponding clones... to me that made a lot more sense than cramming clones (and nothing but clones) by the bucketful into every PT set imaginable. 

I get that the kids love them, I get that they're cheap and easy to make, but if would be nice if there were a bit more, shall we say, balance to the lineup? Because lately it seems really lopsided in favor of one type of character at the expense of everything else...

Edited March 25, 2023 by jdubbs

[Hhalcyon]

1 minute ago, Mandalorianknight said:

as someone who hates all the whining from fans that they're entitled to every clone trooper ever made

We are "entitled" to every clone trooper ever made. They are all star wars characters.

 

 

[Legofan2001]

People can argue for weeks on how end about how important P2 Rex is but the facts don’t change that P2 Rex has not been in any sets for 10 years and even if you want to buy that figure BEST CASE is paying 150 dollars if not upwards of 250! I honestly don’t see how lego is okay with an aftermarket like that especially when P2 Rex has shown up in new media every single year since 2020!

[Flawless Cowboy]

21 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

This is an absolutely hilarious take. "No, you see, the prequels are good and the sequels aren't because fans don't like the prequels, whereas fans don't like the sequels." It's nonsense. Both trilogies have been lambasted by fans. Find a middle aged man and he'll tell you the same things about the prequels that a millennial or older gen z will tell you about the sequels. 

As for the sequels not selling... did sequel legos do that poorly? I don't remember seeing them on sale any more than other star wars sets. 

As for "Its been 8 years since TFA. If the sequels were to age like the prequels in the eyes of the masses, we are way overdue a change in opinion.". No, not at all. It was 8 years between TPM and the clone wars film, 9 between TPM and the start of the show. As of the production of TFA, the prequels were still almost unanimously regarded as terrible. Public opinion didn't change until after the sequels started releasing. 

Complete misread of my post, check your glasses. I never used fandom opinion to both uphold the prequels and lambast the sequels, as I explained earlier, fan opinions do not decide artistic merit, full stop, but they do decide whether or not Disney makes more sequel content in the form of toys and shows.

Fan opinion decides where money moves, which was the only reason I brought it up in regards to the sequels, as I don’t believe they are loved enough to warrant the same attention, toy-wise, that prequels get. 

8 years after TPM we already had Clone Wars (2003) and Clone Wars (2008) was in full production. Both overlap with the prequels. Not a single major overlapping show has been made or is being made alongside the sequels that even rivals Tartokovsky’s small series. 

Edited March 25, 2023 by Flawless Cowboy

[Legofan2001]

I can’t name a single character that has reappeared as much in new media the past 5 years that lego has not remade as P2 Rex. Like sure lots of people would love new Padme variants,P2 Fox,P2 Bly,Count Dooku. but they don’t come anywhere close to the need as P2 Rex does. (Like sure Mayfield,TROS Palpatine,Jesse,Cobb Vanth) would all be cool but P2 is still on its own level and I just don’t see how anyone can defend lego on this. 

[BrickBob Studpants]

2 minutes ago, Legofan2001 said:

I can’t name a single character that has reappeared as much in new media the past 5 years that lego has not remade as P2 Rex. 

Saw Gerrera?

[Goofster]

Crazy how the gunship and rex we're 10 years ago... dang times went by fast, the gunship feels like yesterday...

25 minutes ago, Hhalcyon said:

We are "entitled" to every clone trooper ever made. They are all star wars characters.

 

 

Even clone CT-8292829282910109181719191010171718910 who appeared for a milisecond on utapau?

[Fulcrumfan91]

17 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Saw Gerrera?

Facts. Still waiting on some figures of him and the twins.

[Goofster]

50 minutes ago, jdubbs said:

 

Exactly, i too wanna grow my jedi collection but that isn't really possible with the current state of Lego SW, we  used to get obscure jedi like coleman trebor, now its just yoda, mace, yoda, mace, yoda mace, yoda mace, etc... i really hope that luminara rumor is true.

 

1 hour ago, jdubbs said:

I’ll be honest I don’t understand the obsession with either Rex or the Gunship. Rex feels like a character the more vocal complainers in the fandom defaulted to once they could no longer obsess about Cody.

They did NOT care for cody as much as Rex until Ryan started his gunship BS..., they always cared for Rex more, and rightfully so, cody did mostly nothing (we've seen) for the entirety of his existence.

 

3 hours ago, Legofan2001 said:

It’s really odd that they’re doing a worse job at blended wave this year than in 2021/2022. Like this year we should be getting an Ahsoka interceptor to both give TCW fans something new and tie in with the Ahsoka show yet instead we’re getting a pointless Yoda remake 😐 like why don’t we have any Bad Batch sets? A Bad Batch V-Wing with Shock Troopers,and P2 whites would tie in with Mando and Bad Batch. A Gunship remake based on Mando would tie in with TCW/CW/Bad Batch as well as mando of course yet likely not happening.

Huh...? What do you mean... this year is so diverse too, battlefront, legends / ESB, mando, ahsoka, clone wars, ROTJ, possible bad batch? Possible skeleton crew? Etc.. HUH?
 

Making a gunship with just 4 unnamed clones would cause like the fifth big boring annoying unneeded controversy...

Edited March 25, 2023 by Goofster

[Jenga Fett1]

6 minutes ago, Goofster said:

Exactly, i too wanna grow my jedi collection but that isn't really possible with the current state of Lego SW, we  used to get obscure jedi like coleman trebor, now its just yoda, mace, yoda, mace, yoda mace, yoda mace, etc... i really hope that luminara rumor is true.

 

They did NOT care for cody as much as Rex until Ryan started his gunship BS..., they always cared for Rex more, and rightfully so, cody did mostly nothing (we've seen) for the entirety of his existence.

 

Huh...? What do you mean... this year is so diverse too, battlefront, legends / ESB, mando, ahsoka, clone wars, ROTJ, possible bad batch? Possible skeleton crew? Etc.. HUH?
 

Making a gunship with just 4 unnamed clones would cause like the fifth big boring annoying controversy...

I really hope we do get more obscure characters as well. But I noticed that some fans throw a tantrum when a lesser-known character is included.

[Hhalcyon]

29 minutes ago, Goofster said:

Crazy how the gunship and rex we're 10 years ago... dang times went by fast, the gunship feels like yesterday...

Even clone CT-8292829282910109181719191010171718910 who appeared for a milisecond on utapau?

Well you OT and Mandalorian fans get Bossk, Dengar, Admiral Sloane, Old Yularen, Nien Nunb, Greedo, Artillery Storm Troopers, Flame Storm Troopers, Shadow Troopers, Dark Troopers, General Dodanna, General Veers among COUNTLESS others of OT/Mando characters who were on screen for about a minute.

Actually sit and think about how many sets were based off the Slave I in the OT (hell it got a UCS set long before BoBF gave it actual screen time) and then think about how it does next to nothing in those movies, appearing on screen for like a minute. Similar things could be said about everyones favourite clone: Boba who has 3 lines and then dies (except he didn't die because it's star wars)

Why shouldn't we want Wolfe who appeared in multiple episodes and arcs of the clone wars (and rebels)? Or Fox, Or Ponds, Or Gree, Or Bly, all who had episodes where they were a key character and GASP had MULTIPLE lines to say and everything?
Why shouldn't we also want the associated reg troopers of 104th, Shock Troopers, 41st Elite, 327th to go with them?
Why COULDN'T we have someone like Bacara and the galactic marines? or Commander Doom and his clones? Commander Neyo and the 91st Recon they're on screen for a similar amount of time as Bossk was in the OT (like 20 seconds) and they get a whole lot more done.
For what possible reason would we not want to see less influential but still named clones like Jesse, Kix, Fives, Tup, Dogma, Vaugn, Waxer, Boil, Thorn and Echo? They all have visual differientations afterall.

I'm by no means suggesting we should get ALL of them and have them available AT ALL TIMES but there is literally no reason a character who is visually distinct like say Commander Fox, who appears in multiple episodes of the clone wars and plays key roles in his respective episodes should be excluded just because he has the same face and same base mold as a bunch of other characters, should not appear in a set every now and then.

EDIT: If screen time was a factor in popularity you know full well you OT fans would get literally the same 9 characters in a cycle because the OT was a very contained story in-terms of characters with only the key characters being on-screen for more than a minute. You'd be in our position begging lego to make Boba Fett, Bossk, Shadow Troopers, HELL, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE GREEDO if screen time actually mattered.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Hhalcyon

[Legofan2001]

34 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Saw Gerrera?

Okay that’s fair (honestly very odd that lego has no interest in making Andor sets they also have no interest in remaking Rogue One sets either even so they’re all pretty expensive on the aftermarket+death troopers/shore troopers showed up in Mando so why didn’t they make an imperial Battlepack based on mando is beyond me)

Edited March 25, 2023 by Legofan2001

[Jenga Fett1]

Can we stop arguing about the OT, PT, ST, and everything else?