[SURVEY] Robot Inventor vs Spike Prime app

[Plumber]

Hi Lok24

10 hours ago, Lok24 said:

There are no "C+ elements", there are only "Powered Up components".  "Control+" is just the name of one LEGO App.
And there are very many ways to control any model,  one of it is the LEGO power Up App. And you can control  the Liebherr with it. That's not new at all, it was there form the very beginning

I understand that the C+ app existed with the relevant Technic sets from their launch, but the Powered up App did NOT and therefore it was not possible for MOC's using powered up elements to be controlled by a TLG produced app, the late arrival of the powered up app and its miserable level of documentation was a well discussed matter of dissatisfaction at the time (and I think still leaves a sour taste for many), but you kinda miss my point, even though the Powered up app now exists, as far as TLG is concerned, it's STILL the worlds best kept secret - there is quite simply no information (technical or marketing or otherwise) about it from TLG, if you don't know it exists you'll never find out from TLG!

Why should I have to hunt round the internet for posts from persons such as yourself and Racing Brick  (amongst others) to find basic information about this - its akin to selling sets with no instructions  and waiting for the AFOL community to produce them - quite unbelievable.

Maybe I'm wrong and have just not searched diligently enough?  Can you point me to any technical documentation from TLG for the Powered up app?  Comprehensive inventory of motors, hubs and sensors? Compatibility of different hubs and ancillaries with apps?

10 hours ago, Lok24 said:

ust use https://www.lego.com/de-de/search?q=powered+up , what is missing?

Small prime hub, small angular motor, most of the sensor range  - off the top of my head.

I am quite capable of using (and have used) a search function - trouble is it doesn't return the information you would expect  (from TLG) as I already pointed out.

10 hours ago, Lok24 said:

The functionallity is completely different......

Kinda my point! 

All respect to you and your fellows that bother to do the research and get to grips with these products and then make the information available to the community.

My main point in my rant is that you shouldn't have to, PU was a chance for TLG to stop this stupid compartmentalisation and secrecy around code driven product particularly as it's now the only game in town and is supposed to be a cross theme integrated hardware. I cannot understand why they do it as it must seriously hurt sales. That's my opinion and I stand by it,YMMV!

Actually my little rant above did spur me to have a better look at some of the third party apps for interfacing with PU product  - I was particularly impressed with the Pybricks system and will probably get to grips with it in due course to make use of my existing PU motors and hubs - seems an eminently sensible system architecture to me and readily facilitates (TLG) hardware remotes which seems to be a big wish from many AFOL MOCers.

I spend my working life fabricating and fixing metal products and my hands are engrained with a patina of copper, zinc and other metals - touch screens quite simply do not work in my hands and with my aging eyesight I really struggle to read a tiny 3 or 4" screen!

best regards

Simon

[Skookumjim]

Inevitably Lego are much more motivated to sell a model that will never be broken up… driven by commercial incentives…..so they can sell another …. and another …meantime they are very happy to pick the brains of their customers!

 

[Lok24]

10 hours ago, Plumber said:

I understand that the C+ app existed with the relevant Technic sets from their launch, but the Powered up App did NOT

The Powered Up App was realesed with the trains in 2018, as far as I remember.  First technic sets with Control+ were released one year later, 2019.

10 hours ago, Plumber said:

Why should I have to hunt round the internet for posts from persons such as yourself and Racing Brick  (amongst others) to find basic information about this

Yes, it is not documented; but very many (all basic) functions are explained in the Boost Set wihich offers about 60 lessions to learn.
And for all sets with PU there is a ready-to-use-app, so no need to do any programming.

 

10 hours ago, Plumber said:

Small prime hub, small angular motor, most of the sensor range  - off the top of my head.

Yes, I mentioned that already: they are not sold outside of sets as a seperate product, so it is clear to me that they are not presented in the shop.
TLG does not sell all bricks as spare parts.....

10 hours ago, Plumber said:

PU was a chance for TLG to stop this stupid compartmentalisation and secrecy around code driven product

The communication of the elements of Powered Up is very well documented, this is why there are that many externeal programs you can use to control.

Pybricks is just a way to run programs locally, all others are remote. Advantage depends on application.

10 hours ago, Plumber said:

touch screens quite simply do not work in my hands and with my aging eyesight I really struggle to read a tiny 3 or 4" screen!

You can use tablets etc or a PC or other programming tools.

But yes, agreed: TLG doesnt support the product at all.