42143 - Ferrari Daytona SP3

[howitzer]

8 hours ago, Johnny1360 said:

Not that I am wowed by the little we have seen so far but for the first time I actually feel like buying and building one of these big cars, lol. No rhyme or reason either, I have always passed over picking up any of them before, just not interested.

I have kinda the same feelings. The previous supercars were mostly really boring, but this one at least looks good and comes in a useful colour, unlike the two previous ones. But I'm really hoping for some novel functionality. I had 8865 as a kid and it feels that no supercar after that one has had that much more to show in terms of technical features so hopefully they made at least a little bit of effort to push forward with this one.

[MarkyMark42]

I know the functions are what separate technic from some of the other lego themes but I'll be honest, I really like the supercar series, I have all three so far and they make great shelf queens. So as far as that goes, I love it, I think it looks great and it's going to sit well with the rest. Having said that, I will be waiting for the discounts before I purchase one :)

Edited May 20, 2022 by MarkyMark42

[LvdH]

45 minutes ago, astyanax said:

And it's no longer the case only non-Technic sets get specialized windscreens. See for example set 42130.

Most motorcycles do. In my opinion the reason is that with cars a lack of windscreen allowed access to the gearbox and steering wheel (something Lego refuses to add HOG knobs for), and the windscreen can easily be imagined thanks to the A pillars. Both those things don’t apply to motorcycles.

[astyanax]

@LvdH Agreed. I was merely reacting to the claim about there being no specialised windscreens across the board. 

I think another argument against a windscreen here would be that it might look too inconsistent next to the other 3 supercars in this line. Coherence on display might be a factor considered by TLG.

[Seasider]

So do we think the box is the special limited box and there’s a more standard box shape to come too ?

[FX6000]

12 hours ago, LvdH said:

It really doesn’t. 

Those are brickbuilt (Creator style) models as dirkberlin mentioned. Although you’re definitely right that these are very specific, unlike the Creator Mustang, Porsche and DeLorean. 

The fourth Technic super car with the same functions, it's really boring. New parts such as a windshield will show some progress, at least in appearance, I think one day we will see windshields on Technic cars. At least for now we have new realistic tires.

[TheKingPorg]

Could the roof be removable like the actual car?

[Seasider]

Just now, TheKingPorg said:

Could the roof be removable like the actual car?

You’d hope so

[FX6000]

And the windshield would work great with the small window at the back

[ConstructionsByDonat]

I have found a reason to the weird shape of the box. It is 62x29x23 cm, which means the Sián can perfectly fin in it (which is 60*25*13 cm). I think the Ferrari will have similar dimensions, so maybe we will be able to store it in its box. (And maybe we can turn it to a display stand with background, what would be awesome.)

[LvdH]

1 hour ago, FX6000 said:

The fourth Technic super car with the same functions, it's really boring. New parts such as a windshield will show some progress, at least in appearance

And then what? At what point do you stop? You have a custom made, single purpose windscreen that will never be able to fit in any other model, but then the car is still full of holes (again, unlike Creator) which would look inconsistent and therefore worse. Do you also make custom panels for every gap? At that point just buy a Die-cast model. Maybe that is progress, but not it's definitely not forwards.

As far as functions go, it's a car. Functions just are very limited in possibility, especially in a LEGO model. There's steering, a gearbox and suspension. That's mostly it. Some cars might have a removable/convertible roof, active aero or adjustable suspension but that's really where it ends. What LEGO really should be doing is making those functions more complex or more realistic, such as correct steering and suspension geometry, actual paddle shifters (such as these designed by Charbel and T-lego) or wings that deploy at a certain gear. A realistic building experience such as the Porsche and Bugatti would also be a welcome return, although that is only a one time thing during your first time building. 

[FX6000]

3 hours ago, LvdH said:

And then what? At what point do you stop? You have a custom made, single purpose windscreen that will never be able to fit in any other model, but then the car is still full of holes (again, unlike Creator) which would look inconsistent and therefore worse. Do you also make custom panels for every gap? At that point just buy a Die-cast model. Maybe that is progress, but not it's definitely not forwards.

As far as functions go, it's a car. Functions just are very limited in possibility, especially in a LEGO model. There's steering, a gearbox and suspension. That's mostly it. Some cars might have a removable/convertible roof, active aero or adjustable suspension but that's really where it ends. What LEGO really should be doing is making those functions more complex or more realistic, such as correct steering and suspension geometry, actual paddle shifters (such as these designed by Charbel and T-lego) or wings that deploy at a certain gear. A realistic building experience such as the Porsche and Bugatti would also be a welcome return, although that is only a one time thing during your first time building. 

First it was bricks, then liftarms, now we have panels... in the future it could be a windshield or something else, like windshield pieces, who knows, that's my point of view. May I? I see Technic progress in that direction, towards realism in individual details like the wheels we have now.
I agree with you on functions, these are just cars with internal combustion engines. What Lego will do with all-electric cars is the question. Minus two functions at once (gearboxes and engines with moving pistons). We'll see.

[Polarlicht]

17 hours ago, Seasider said:

So do we think the box is the special limited box and there’s a more standard box shape to come too ?

The only special edition thing will be the slipcase with some paperwork and photos or whatever! There will NOT be special limited editon set of this car!

[MarkyMark42]

12 hours ago, ConstructionsByDonat said:

It is 62x29x23 cm, which means the Sián can perfectly fin in it (which is 60*25*13 cm). I think the Ferrari will have similar dimensions, so maybe we will be able to store it in its box. 

That's fine as long as you throw out everything else inside the Lambo box

[gwenhael]

16 minutes ago, MarkyMark42 said:

That's fine as long as you throw out everything else inside the Lambo box

You can unfold and flatten the inner boxes.

[allanp]

8 hours ago, FX6000 said:

First it was bricks, then liftarms, now we have panels... in the future it could be a windshield or something else, like windshield pieces, who knows, that's my point of view. May I? I see Technic progress in that direction, towards realism in individual details like the wheels we have now.
I agree with you on functions, these are just cars with internal combustion engines. What Lego will do with all-electric cars is the question. Minus two functions at once (gearboxes and engines with moving pistons). We'll see.

This is the internet, only one point of view is allowed, all others shall be deemed "disinformation"  

Seriously though lol, my view on windscreens is that they could potentially look pretty cool, but I think it might also look a bit out of place, especially in a line of cars which don't have windscreens, and also on a car that doesn't have any other windows like for the doors. If you have a windscreen you'd have to have door windows also in my view. It would also be a pretty big piece that only usable for that one car. But still, it would look pretty great to have. I guess the thing that swings it for me is Lego's current lack of quality control when it comes to large, transparent pieces like windscreens. They seem almost milky and the plastic seems softer and easier to scratch so if you are lucky enough to get a perfect windscreen (my ecto 1 windscreen was pretty good but my 89 batmobile windscreen was pretty poor and scratched in the box) then it probably won't stay looking good very long.

I expect this cars functions to be the same as the previous cars pretty much. That doesn't concern me though so long as there is a progression towards mechanical realism (lots of room for that in the gearbox especially but also the steering and suspension geometry). They could also introduce larger wheel mounts to accept the larger CV joints. There's enough room for improvements to existing functions to make a car I really want to buy. In terms of totally new functionality there's working brakes which these larger wheel might allow for. As for electric cars, even a bad gearbox is better than no gearbox, so I really wouldn't see any reason to pay anything above 100 pounds for an electric. Doesn't even need to be 1:8 scale, just do it as the usually functionally sparse 1:10 scale cars, corvette scale car or a pull back.

[kbalage]

24 minutes ago, allanp said:

Seriously though lol, my view on windscreens is that they could potentially look pretty cool, but I think it might also look a bit out of place, especially in a line of cars which don't have windscreens, and also on a car that doesn't have any other windows like for the doors.

Yep, that's pretty much what I think. If you aim for more realism at one point, then the whole build should be coherent. I remember someone made a custom hood for the Lamborghini. Was it way more accurate then TLG's solution? Sure! Did it look weird and out of place? Yes, I think it did. 

[howitzer]

Seconding @allanp and @kbalage on the windscreen. Either there should be no window parts (like now) or there should be a proper window part for every window, not just the windscreen. And then more panels is needed for the gapless and sleek look. And then you might as well buy a die cast model.

[brunojj1]

A transparent windscreen panel or let say 2 half pieces sliding together would be nice to have one day. Why did I bring this to the table? The Ferrari Daytona SP3 has a windshield piece which is shaped a different way, difficult to manufacture. At least that´s what a reknowned automobile designer is saying. We don´t need the exact shape replicated here. I think these black flex axles reminding of a glass silhouette look very odd.

Btw. - judging from the revealed front picture on the box we can witness the front suspension sagging again . Just look at the space between tires and wheelarches and compare front and rear ! Please no excuses the used parts are different or whatever. After the Porsche and Bugatti this seems to become a traditional feature. A beginners mistake for MOCers you don´t want to see in a super-dooper premium model. You will have to eliminate this issue first, I think. Or surprise me tremendously, and give me a front car lift - what a noble feature, easy!

4 hours ago, howitzer said:

And then more panels is needed for the gapless and sleek look. And then you might as well buy a die cast model.

A diecast model at 1:8 scale costs 10K plus. So I prefer to make it myself if not available . I like the gapless look of this Lego model. 

Edited May 21, 2022 by brunojj1

[jovel]

Was this picture already spotted?

lego-daytona-gallery.jpg (2000×1008) (paultan.org)

[Fuzzock]

7 hours ago, brunojj1 said:

Btw. - judging from the revealed front picture on the box we can witness the front suspension sagging again .

I do hope we don't see the sagging springs party again.... 

Ian...

[SNIPE]

1 hour ago, Fuzzock said:

I do hope we don't see the sagging springs party again.... 

Ian...

wasnt that fixed in the lamborghini sian (42115)

[MarkyMark42]

14 hours ago, brunojj1 said:

Btw. - judging from the revealed front picture on the box we can witness the front suspension sagging again .

How you can pick that from a promo photo, where they are generally made to look their best, is beyond me. You may very well be right but i'm happy to wait and see

[Gzynek2323]

These new rims look awesome.  The tires seem completely new to me too?  Any thoughts?

 

  

[therealjustin]

Photos are up!