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43 minutes ago, kidtheboss611 said:

It's a problem but speaks to a larger one that you don't seem to understand. The carlessness for this set is what pisses me off and what will affect sales.

Do you really expect people to base their decision to buy a set on what a designer said in a video? „Yeah, I was gonna buy it, but then I saw that designer video and changed my mind“ :tongue: Not likely. You buy the set for the set itself, not its packaging or what a designer said.

People may claim that this affected their decision, but those people wouldn‘t have bought it either way and were just looking for excuses. And no offense, if this is it all it takes for some fans to boycot a set, they frankly don‘t deserve another fan-voted set, UCS or otherwise

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20 hours ago, Samppu said:

I weigh in to this a little, because I consider the rage on these mistakes was in fact justified (albeit in the internet it easily gets out of proportion, but that is how it tends to work, unfortunately).
It is not that these mistakes themselves were so bad (we do have a clone pilot relatively easily accessible for those who desire it, and I did not believe a second that they would have made a new mold of any kind with this set, not for Cody nor the pilot on the basis how they have treated such opportunities before - e.g. missed AT-RT pilot in the 20th anniversary walker and missed Cody in the recent Soulless One).
Rather the problem that enraged the people was the highly unprofessional attitude reflected in the ignorance whether the figure is a pilot or a commander "because people anyway only remember seeing a yellow clone". For anyone buying such expensive sets, these things do matter and such details shouldn't be that hard nor expensive to take care of.

Additionally I think this episode reflects one root reason behind many short comings in Lego SW production line during the recent few years, which - as far as I am aware of - is that some of the key designers in the Lego SW team have been working there since the very beginning now two decades back in time. They were certainly the best available recruits back then who were also highly enthusiastic about the original trilogy, because that was all that there was to Star Wars back then. But things have drastically changed since then. The original designers are no longer the best nor even the most enthusiastic. We have tons of new content (I would bet that the original old school designers have not bothered to pay attention to look through it all), a myriad of new revolutionary parts and a world wide pool of genius builders who could make child friendly, low part count but still miraculously impressive snowspeeders with their left hand, whereas all we get from the original designers are repetitions of the very same design that has been around now two decades. These kinds of examples, the snowspeeder in particular but also the small things like the clone commander vs. pilot issue, are clearly a sign that the problem is no longer about time or resources.

Well said!

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It's not always the actual designers that decide what sets are going to be made, so it's rather unfair to blame them

In fact I'm quite certain that it's other deparments within TLG that decides what is going to made. Changing designers will not change that

Also, OT toys just sells way better than PT and DT

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4 hours ago, Thebrickstandard said:

Well said!

I concur. Although some of the designers are 'old school', I see that many of this year's sets have, in my opinion, been wonderfully designed and executed. These include the Trexler Marauder, the Havoc Marauder, the Mandalorian Starfighter, and the Mandalorian Forge this year alone. Going back in time is even more nostalgic and wonderful.

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6 hours ago, kidtheboss611 said:

It's a problem but speaks to a larger one that you don't seem to understand. The carlessness for this set is what pisses me off and what will affect sales. Also even though they fixed it the fact is that it should never have happened. The designer shouldn't have equated a commander to a pilot and then reiterated it a month later in that designer video. From your responses, I'm going to guess that you don't care about all the mistakes and carelessness that TLG has done over the years but just cause you to feel that way doesn't mean everyone else has to. Some of us care a little more and would like TLG to listen to fans and not make as many errors. 

 

I'm going to make a comparison which is quite fitting here, for how far you're going with this. 

You are correct that TLG isn't a mom and pop shop but a multi million/billion dollar company where mistakes like that shouldn't happen. 

Guess what? So is Boeing. And they're even more highly regulated than TLG. 

And guess what? Through all their checks and procedures and tests and verifications, every now and then, mistakes still slip through. And cost people's lives. 

So when a company who literally can make mistakes which cost people their lives, can still make mistakes-in this day and age... It puts it into perspective the demand you're putting on TLG for their mistakes they make and how they 'shouldn't be making them'. 

Literally the only justifiable mistake that deserves to be finger pointed at, is the assumption the designer made about the Clone pilot/commander. 

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It's a toy company that makes dolls based on a kiddy space opera show but somehow SW fan(atics) tend to forget that. Like. Every. Single. Time

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It’s understandable how these lapses in attention to detail can be off-putting, but at the least I’m glad it doesn’t impact the quality of the builds themselves.

With what we’ve had over the summer wave, I feel like it’s one of the most diverse and interesting waves we’ve had in a long time that’s finally given some due attention to non-film media since the Clone Wars days. Not only do we get fresh locations and ships that aren’t just rehashes of existing designs, but the minifigures themselves are also some of the best we’ve had in a long time. I sincerely hope the winter wave keeps up this fresh streak.

That being said, you can see the benefits and drawbacks of how certain sets were approached. The Bad Batch Shuttle comes to mind, its additional speeders just take away from what could have been a larger and more detailed shuttle for example. Even with the minifigures, having the entire team in one set is great, but I also wonder how they would have turned out if Lego had taken the Knights of Ren approach and scattered them across different sets. Perhaps they would have been far more detailed and accurate?

Excited to see the rest of the Winter 2022 list, looks like it’ll be drip-fed to us at this rate :laugh:

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Not sure if it's been talked about before,  but i noticed on the Amazon.com (US) listing for the Deluxe version of the Skywalker Game, their used to be a picture that included the Luke Minifigure, but now it's no longer being advertised. Is there any hints at this or is it because the game is delayed so often? I also don't see it mentioned a minifigure comes with the Deluxe version either. 

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30 minutes ago, Prometheus87 said:

Not sure if it's been talked about before,  but i noticed on the Amazon.com (US) listing for the Deluxe version of the Skywalker Game, their used to be a picture that included the Luke Minifigure, but now it's no longer being advertised. Is there any hints at this or is it because the game is delayed so often? I also don't see it mentioned a minifigure comes with the Deluxe version either. 

I'm guessing this is just due to the delay and nothing to read into. 

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8 hours ago, T21Typhoon said:

 

With what we’ve had over the summer wave, I feel like it’s one of the most diverse and interesting waves we’ve had in a long time that’s finally given some due attention to non-film media since the Clone Wars days. Not only do we get fresh locations and ships that aren’t just rehashes of existing designs, but the minifigures themselves are also some of the best we’ve had in a long time. I sincerely hope the winter wave keeps up this fresh streak.

That being said, you can see the benefits and drawbacks of how certain sets were approached. The Bad Batch Shuttle comes to mind, its additional speeders just take away from what could have been a larger and more detailed shuttle for example. Even with the minifigures, having the entire team in one set is great, but I also wonder how they would have turned out if Lego had taken the Knights of Ren approach and scattered them across different sets. Perhaps they would have been far more detailed and accurate?

Might be in the minority, but I would not have minded if the bad batch were spread out(like the knights of ren), if that meant we could have gotten sets like the AT-TE or v-wing. If you told me in 2013 and 2014 that it would be 2021 and we still wouldn't have remakes of regular versions of those vehicles, I would not have believed you.

That being said, Lego's release plan with Clone wars season 7, the Mandalorian, and the bad batch is odd compared to their other media release tie-ins, perhaps due to the pandemic. Usually sets are released ahead of or at the same time as their media releases, but the clone wars season 7 2020 sets were released after the season aired and it was a very small  wave. The 2021 clone wars wave was also small and while had good sets, had niche figures like gar saxon who hasn't appeared since clone wars, leading me to speculate that 2021's wave was meant to be part of 2020 but had to be split up due to pandemic production issues. The same could be said for the sole bad batch set, released at the end of the season. In fact, the shuttle was delayed one month in the US.

The mandalorian wave seems to be the same despite the show's popularity, we had a small 2020 wave and the 2021 wave was about the show one year after it aired. This is not to say that lego doesnt make sets about media years after they air, but the initial wave concerning the media is usually a lot more substantial than one or two sets, especially if the media is hugely popular, like the mandalorian season 2

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1 hour ago, Bobbtom said:

Might be in the minority, but I would not have minded if the bad batch were spread out(like the knights of ren), if that meant we could have gotten sets like the AT-TE or v-wing. If you told me in 2013 and 2014 that it would be 2021 and we still wouldn't have remakes of regular versions of those vehicles, I would not have believed you.

I don't want to get too far into this as a similar conversation got declared off-topic, but all I'll say here is that for the first few years of TCW, most sets were TCW. Then we got 5 movies, 2 animated shows (though only 2 seasons worth of sets really), and a live action series. 

 

About the big news of the day, it's AMAZING, but I don't think it'll translate into sets anytime soon. Maybe one near release.

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1 hour ago, Mandalorianknight said:

About the big news of the day, it's AMAZING, but I don't think it'll translate into sets anytime soon. Maybe one near release.

What, you mean the new leaked photos for the kind of cool looking Star Wars overwatch ripoff with an epic stacked Jawa?

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2 hours ago, Bobbtom said:

That being said, Lego's release plan with Clone wars season 7, the Mandalorian, and the bad batch is odd compared to their other media release tie-ins, perhaps due to the pandemic. Usually sets are released ahead of or at the same time as their media releases, but the clone wars season 7 2020 sets were released after the season aired and it was a very small  wave. The 2021 clone wars wave was also small and while had good sets, had niche figures like gar saxon who hasn't appeared since clone wars, leading me to speculate that 2021's wave was meant to be part of 2020 but had to be split up due to pandemic production issues. The same could be said for the sole bad batch set, released at the end of the season. In fact, the shuttle was delayed one month in the US.

I think the main difference here which has a big effect on how and when tie-in sets appear in Lego waves is the type of media being released e.g movies vs TV shows. Movies are 2-3 hours of content released as a 'one and done' affair i.e. you view the entire story in a single sitting, and most people will see the movie within the first few weeks of release, while TV shows are 8 hours or more of content released over a multi-month timespan (at least at the moment with Disney+ dropping single episodes on a weekly basis). These different types of release schedules require different marketing approaches and therefore tie-ins like Lego sets will be affected.

The movie wave sets, releasing a couple of months prior to the movie release, build buzz for the movie which everyone is waiting to see in the near future. If the same was done for a TV show, we might be seeing vehicles that don't appear until say, episode 15 of season 1, which is still potentially 5-6 months away from airing. Apart from any spoilers that might create, the interest in the set might not be there yet, whereas releasing it after the show/season has finished will still see the set fresh in peoples minds. I don't know how the new shows are produced, whether they are completely finished before the first episode is released, or whether post-production work on later episodes is still ongoing when the season begins, but there could also be an issue of when promotional material/new vehicle specs are released to TLG in order for them to start designing the TV tie-in sets. There seems to be a pattern of sorts at the moment with one set for an upcoming show released early - either as pre-release marketing or testing the waters to gauge interest.

The difference with the Clone Wars waves from the early 2010s is that at the time that was the only new SW content being released. Now for each upcoming Lego wave there are a bunch of new shows on the horizon, plus follow up content from media just finished, plus re-releases from older media. The landscape is a lot more cluttered now to have a single wave dedicated to a single non-movie release in the way it was done in the past. Possibly over the next few years with new content coming wholly from TV releases rather than movies, there may also be a shift in how and when TLG manages their own releases.

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57 minutes ago, Brickroll said:

What, you mean the new leaked photos for the kind of cool looking Star Wars overwatch ripoff with an epic stacked Jawa?

Nah, that won't get any sets, even if it includes the majestic, incredible based jawas

It's the other one... I'm staying vague because it was such an amazing surprise to see "Oh, a new game trailer" and then for it to be THAT game, so I want other people to see it that like that too. Just search "star wars game trailer" and select the one that's not hunters.

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8 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Nah, that won't get any sets, even if it includes the majestic, incredible based jawas

It's the other one... I'm staying vague because it was such an amazing surprise to see "Oh, a new game trailer" and then for it to be THAT game, so I want other people to see it that like that too. Just search "star wars game trailer" and select the one that's not hunters.

that would be great as I have missed the opportunity to get that promo minifig a few years ago.

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15 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Nah, that won't get any sets, even if it includes the majestic, incredible based jawas

It's the other one... I'm staying vague because it was such an amazing surprise to see "Oh, a new game trailer" and then for it to be THAT game, so I want other people to see it that like that too. Just search "star wars game trailer" and select the one that's not hunters.

As much as I would love it, there's next to no chance we're getting sets for the kotor remake. Yes they made a Revan figure years ago, I have it and it's one of my favorite Star Wars minifigs and they made swtor sets but they've clearly since changed their tune on video game-based sets *cough* Fallen Order *cough* I think the best we can hope for is the possibility of Revan being an unlockable character in LSWtSS. 

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21 hours ago, Bobbtom said:

That being said, Lego's release plan with Clone wars season 7, the Mandalorian, and the bad batch is odd compared to their other media release tie-ins, perhaps due to the pandemic. Usually sets are released ahead of or at the same time as their media releases, but the clone wars season 7 2020 sets were released after the season aired and it was a very small  wave. The 2021 clone wars wave was also small and while had good sets, had niche figures like gar saxon who hasn't appeared since clone wars, leading me to speculate that 2021's wave was meant to be part of 2020 but had to be split up due to pandemic production issues. The same could be said for the sole bad batch set, released at the end of the season. In fact, the shuttle was delayed one month in the US.

My working theory is this:

Rebels sets notoriously flopped, probably because the show didn't pick up in popularity until like S2 (I still love S1 and 2 of that show but that's another story).  Lego kind of went all in with those sets and it failed, partially due to a weird release schedule (they were released way before the show aired, if I remember right, meaning that people were probably less likely to purchase stuff from a show they haven't even watched yet) and partially due to a weird selection of sets (which probably isn't the fault of Lego, it's probably more a cause of what info they were given by the production team).  

Ever since, they seemed to stray away from TV show stuff.  We still got a couple of TCW sets here and there (Grievous' Speeder, Yoda's Starfighter), but they were all fairly "safe" sets in that the minifigures were of fairly universally liked characters and they were at low price points.  Then, Mandalorian came out.  Rather than go all in with one wave based on a TV show, they went with one set that was an extremely "safe" release, an AT-ST.  It had a fairly low price point ($50 in the US that was discounted to $40 very quickly at most retailers), contained a good number of figures, including the main character, and was of a vehicle that was already recognizable, meaning that people may have been willing to buy it anyway just because they wanted an AT-ST.  

The show was a smash hit, and then we got more sets.

When TCW S7 came around, we got 3 sets, but all were relatively "safe" again.  Anakin's fighter was in need of a re-release anyway, the 501st set was highly demanded, and the AAT was a vehicle that hadn't been remade in a while, plus two desirable minifigures.  There was clearly a demand for those sets, because now we're getting more TCW stuff including figures like Gar Saxon, as you said.

The next new show that released was Bad Batch, and once again we got a fairly "safe" set as the only one from the show.  While the price point is expensive, the ship had previously been introduced in TCW, and it included all of the Bad Batch minifigures, making it more desirable.  

Book of Boba Fett is almost the same deal.  The first set we're getting is a Slave I and it includes characters that we've already seen and are pretty wanted (at least in the case of repainted Boba).  If the show does well, I would bet we're getting more sets for sure.  

Anyway, this is just my theory, but it seems to be a pattern with new TV shows.  I'd imagine if Kenobi or the Cassian shows get any sets, it'll probably be something along the lines of vehicles/locations we're already familiar with (maybe a U-Wing for the Andor show?) so that they can test the waters before releasing a bunch of sets for a show that may or may not be popular.

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3 hours ago, ToaDraco said:

As much as I would love it, there's next to no chance we're getting sets for the kotor remake. Yes they made a Revan figure years ago, I have it and it's one of my favorite Star Wars minifigs and they made swtor sets but they've clearly since changed their tune on video game-based sets *cough* Fallen Order *cough* I think the best we can hope for is the possibility of Revan being an unlockable character in LSWtSS. 

I don't think that's necessarily an accurate take. There have been three major game releases since Disney took over, and two of the three have gotten sets; Fallen Order is the only one that hasn't (you could count Squadrons as a fourth game, but that was much lower-profile than FO or the Battlefronts). Unlike the other games, KotOR is a very well-established property that LEGO has made stuff for in the past (Revan figure, and the three SWTOR sets). It's way too soon for anyone to have any actual idea of whether there'll be KotOR sets or not, and probably more than anything else it depends on how much of a marketing push Disney decides to do around the game, but it's certainly not out of the question.

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The original Kotor is a mile stone of video game history with a huge fan base that partly isn't even much into Star Wars except for that game. If it is a good remake with the same plot in new technology, it is pretty much guaranteed that the SW fans both old and young will love it. The children, who grew up with it are now adults able to buy for example an Ebon Hawk for nostalgia. It would be a set that works perfectly fine alone on a shelf as a nerdy decoration object. There also never was an Ebon Hawk, so many collecters screaming for new ships would be happy, too. It would not surprise me at all to see one such big set aimed towards adults. I mean, there is not even any need for any new moulds except for HK 47's head. Real children toy sets will pretty much completely depend on what Disney is planing with the old republic.

What do you guys think about the rumor of a Mandalorian Beskar helmet in the helmet collection? I could not be less interested in such a set but the possibility to get lots of metallic silver pieces makes me really excited.

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13 hours ago, Artizan said:

that would be great as I have missed the opportunity to get that promo minifig a few years ago.

As did I.

6 hours ago, ToaDraco said:

As much as I would love it, there's next to no chance we're getting sets for the kotor remake. Yes they made a Revan figure years ago, I have it and it's one of my favorite Star Wars minifigs and they made swtor sets but they've clearly since changed their tune on video game-based sets *cough* Fallen Order *cough* I think the best we can hope for is the possibility of Revan being an unlockable character in LSWtSS. 

Not off the bat, maybe, but I think we could see something a little after it. Maybe even around release. Fallen order sold really well, and I think we'll see sets for it's remake. Much like Mando and clone wars got more sets down the line.

 

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On 9/9/2021 at 10:56 PM, Fuppylodders said:

I'm going to make a comparison which is quite fitting here, for how far you're going with this. 

You are correct that TLG isn't a mom and pop shop but a multi million/billion dollar company where mistakes like that shouldn't happen. 

Guess what? So is Boeing. And they're even more highly regulated than TLG. 

And guess what? Through all their checks and procedures and tests and verifications, every now and then, mistakes still slip through. And cost people's lives. 

So when a company who literally can make mistakes which cost people their lives, can still make mistakes-in this day and age... It puts it into perspective the demand you're putting on TLG for their mistakes they make and how they 'shouldn't be making them'. 

Literally the only justifiable mistake that deserves to be finger pointed at, is the assumption the designer made about the Clone pilot/commander. 

Can't argue against that tbh

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On 9/9/2021 at 7:56 AM, Fuppylodders said:

I'm going to make a comparison which is quite fitting here, for how far you're going with this. 

You are correct that TLG isn't a mom and pop shop but a multi million/billion dollar company where mistakes like that shouldn't happen. 

Guess what? So is Boeing. And they're even more highly regulated than TLG. 

And guess what? Through all their checks and procedures and tests and verifications, every now and then, mistakes still slip through. And cost people's lives. 

So when a company who literally can make mistakes which cost people their lives, can still make mistakes-in this day and age... It puts it into perspective the demand you're putting on TLG for their mistakes they make and how they 'shouldn't be making them'. 

Literally the only justifiable mistake that deserves to be finger pointed at, is the assumption the designer made about the Clone pilot/commander. 

I mean, you're not wrong. I really can't argue against this.

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On 9/9/2021 at 7:56 AM, Fuppylodders said:

I'm going to make a comparison which is quite fitting here, for how far you're going with this. 

You are correct that TLG isn't a mom and pop shop but a multi million/billion dollar company where mistakes like that shouldn't happen. 

Guess what? So is Boeing. And they're even more highly regulated than TLG. 

And guess what? Through all their checks and procedures and tests and verifications, every now and then, mistakes still slip through. And cost people's lives. 

So when a company who literally can make mistakes which cost people their lives, can still make mistakes-in this day and age... It puts it into perspective the demand you're putting on TLG for their mistakes they make and how they 'shouldn't be making them'. 

Literally the only justifiable mistake that deserves to be finger pointed at, is the assumption the designer made about the Clone pilot/commander. 

This is articulated much better than I could have.

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Well, looks like the other 2 helmets are Luke's and an AT-AT driver. While the AT-AT driver seems like a nice choice with the upcoming UCS AT-AT I just can't help but think that Lego just doesn't want to make prequel versions. Third year of these things and not a single clone trooper? This whole wave of helmets sounds very bland honestly.

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