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1 hour ago, AIex said:

I have seen a lot of complaints about this being the first non-minifig scale UCS set above $200. While this is blatantly untrue (Sandcrawler, Death Stars, Star Destroyers, etc.) I think an even more important note is that, with the exception of the Naboo starfighter waaaaaay back before they knew what they were doing, no UCS set has EVER been the same size as its system scale counterpart. Every UCS set that has an existing system scale variant (star destroyers, all starfighters, falcon, slave 1, etc) is significantly larger than said system scale variant. In the case of the falcon, slave 1, and imperial shuttle, the upscaled version is more or less to scale with minifigures. In the case of everything else, it is a heavily detailed display model that would look silly when you put minifigures inside of it. The gunship falls into the latter category. Lego's system scale gunships are already built to minifig scale, so a UCS version at the same size would be redundant, and people would complain about getting a gunship that's the same size as the system scale one for more than double the price. Even accounting for the reduced price of a smaller UCS gunship, it would still be far more expensive than any system scale variant, while clocking in at around the same size.

 

If you want a minifig scale gunship, buy a system scale version or a moc

There's different ways to view this. All of them are ok. I feel like a brickvault-style MOC in minifigscale would have made more sense (prequel set, troop transport). But the build we get is surely much more advanced and interesting. What you say all makes perfect sense as well.

I'm afraid though the debate has deteriorated into bashing and clickbaiting mixed with conspiracies. 

And I am ashamed that in Germany there are some of the worst influencers in this regard and they are quite popular. I have friends who don't care about Lego but they watch these videos (and talk about boycotting the company). Like this Mandy-Products influencer, they can be decent entertainers with a cool passion. But this willingness to resort to this behaviour is hideous. And they make money with it.

All opinions are ok; I share my overly critical one as well. But some people on social media are not "the fandom". Even if it's 20 people here - they don't finance the sets. And Lego making descisions I dislike doesn't mean they hate the fandom, hate the prequels or something. It's a toy company, trying to make money. You can buy cheaper Lego alternatives if you want. Designers are just employees doing their jobs. Who knows how many rules and regulations such a large company can have. Many things don't make sense to me from the outside, but I don't work there. I assume most here don't either? Then why are we so quick to know if something will fail, why they did it etc.?

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1 hour ago, Kit Figsto said:

It's on #legoleaks on IG, has a pink background and white text.  It's sort of the classic formula of "A couple of sets that are plausible/logical in real life, an OT set due for a remake, a prequel set that would sell really well due to the minifigures, and then a few other price points where the set is conveniently unknown."

There’s so much spam I can’t even find it 🙄

Idk why people even bother it’s so obvious at this point. 
edit: found it and oh my word that’s a hilarious list. 70 dollar Battle on Exogol? That’s a 40 dollar set with Palps’ harness and some chairs for the sith cheerleaders at best.

”Mandalorian battlepack” and it’s just storm troopers lmaoooo were they even trying 

 

anyway, y’all are crying way too much about a gorgeous ship with pretty appropriate figures that you’re getting all worked up over because one designer said something idiotic. Cue Thomas Jefferson: “can we get back to Lego leaks?”

on that note seeing as the Poe book leaked I wouldn’t be totally surprised if we got at least a shaky list for January soon. 

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6 hours ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Ryan is his own worst enemy sometimes. Didn't he reveal the set before the official livestream or something? I think cutting ties with him is good on Lego's end. I think David's a better youtuber overall, but that's just my opinion.

Well David forgot about and left make a wish kid alone in a room and went to watch movies with his friends during one of the brickfairs so unless Ryan kills someone he will always be a better youtuber and a person in my eyes, even though his AAT review sucked and idk what he was thinking with fake lego designer interview, but it's his opinion and his channel and there is a reason almost 400 k people love and watch him.

5 hours ago, Balrogofmorgoth said:

I feel like a broken record but UCS isn’t about the figures at all.

Sorry, but who are you to tell someone what UCS sets should be about for them? Some people are enjoying figures the most or displaying sets with figures. The entire thing would be perfectly fine if LEGO didn't ask us to write what we want and gave us all hope and made us all speculate for year and a half about it just to crush our dreams and hopes and then threaten us to still buy it or no more PT sets, they made it about figures. 

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13 minutes ago, PreVizsla said:

Sorry, but who are you to tell someone what UCS sets should be about for them? Some people are enjoying figures the most or displaying sets with figures. The entire thing would be perfectly fine if LEGO didn't ask us to write what we want and gave us all hope and made us all speculate for year and a half about it just to crush our dreams and hopes and then threaten us to still buy it or no more PT sets, they made it about figures. 

My guy, the UCS sets aren't for figures, that's the point we're trying to get to you. There are other sets meant primarily for figures or with figures as a large factor, but with UCS sets, no, they aren't.

Also, where are you getting all these ideas in the second half. They stated from the start that the figure vote was a side thing to "help them decide" or however they phrased it, and we have no evidence that mace and a cc weren't among the most voted figures that actually appeared in AOTC alongside the gunship. P2 cody was never an option, because the set was clearly based off AOTC from the start, and he wouldn't fit in such a set for very obvious reasons. And besides that, the figures aren't the main factor, the gunship is, and I haven't seen anyone say that the set isn't a good build. All the people saying lego "crushed our hopes and dreams" are either complaining about the figures, which aren't the point of UCS sets, or complaining that it wasn't the size of the system sets, which would literally make it not a UCS set. I also find "threaten" hilarious, like stating the obvious fact that they'll judge sales of the gunship when considering more prequel sets is some sort of malevolent attack. That's how business works. If you want more prequel UCS sets, buy the gunship. If you thought the gunship should have more figs/be smaller, you don't want more prequel UCS, you want prequel era system sets, and we're getting a good number of those.

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19 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

P2 Cody was never an option, because the set was clearly based off AOTC from the start

But now that UCS boxes are just black and don't show a movie scene in the background anymore, the minifigure selection is basically the only thing that connects the set to a specific movie.

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24 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

*snip*

To be honest, I don't think there's any point arguing with him. You'll never get anywhere, there's no real logic behind anything he actually says. He claims Lego hates making prequel sets while they're releasing several this year. He completely made up the statistic that 90% of people voted for the Gunship and then when it was said that 58% did, acted like a 32% difference isn't a big deal. He keeps saying that Cody not being in the Gunship is Lego attacking prequel fans, without any statistic on the actual figure vote. And I'm sure there's so much more I'm forgetting. It's probably best to just ignore him.

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14 minutes ago, Graupensuppe said:

But now that UCS boxes are just black and don't show a movie scene in the background anymore, the minifigure selection is basically the only thing that connects the set to a specific movie.

You have the movie scenes on the back too. But the Gunship could have easily worked for episode 2 and 3 - all you need is to remove the ball turrets. The UCS Falcon had this with the radar dish and separate minifigures from completely different time periods let alone the following film like they do with AOTC/ROTS. I don’t mind no Cody at all but this is a fair argument I have heard recently.  

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5 minutes ago, Gremer2 said:

He claims Lego hates making prequel sets while they're releasing several this year.

There's only one prequel set this year (that we know of) - the UCS Gunship. That's not a lot.

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1 minute ago, Graupensuppe said:

There's only one prequel set this year (that we know of) - the UCS Gunship. That's not a lot.

Bo Katan's Starfighter, Siege of Mandalore, Bad Batch Shuttle. Granted they're Clone Wars sets but as far as I'm concerned at least those are prequels. 

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Just now, Graupensuppe said:

There's only one prequel set this year (that we know of) - the UCS Gunship. That's not a lot.

Of the 10 normal (not microfighter, not helmet, not UCS) sets this year, 3 are Clone Wars or Bad Batch. Nearly 1/3rd of the sets this year for prequel shows is pretty good. But I suppose if you strictly mean prequel movies and ignore all other media, yes, there's only one.

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I’ll say if the statistics were there for the figures selected they would have stated it especially if they knew the drama was coming and seeing as the interviews people are upset about took place weeks before the product was revealed they did know 

No matter what this figure issue was going to be a issue as soon as lego made it a potential option. If they made Cody and Bob there would be fans angry about the decision too.
 

To add to that the designer didn’t do a lot to help with his comments. I know it’s two different sets but look at some of the questions the bugle designer got about missing figures, he had answers that people seemed to understand why the figure was missing and calmed people down. I don’t know what extent it would have helped but if the designers came out and gave a reasonable reason for why Cody wasn’t included and directly mentioned Cody, I think it could have at least calmed down a big chunk of the angry people 

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Is there any official indication of when the UCS At At will be revealed, also, how do you stop getting notifications of replies, I accidentally pressed the button and every time I go to turn it off it won’t work

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7 minutes ago, Stuartn said:

Is there any official indication of when the UCS At At will be revealed, also, how do you stop getting notifications of replies, I accidentally pressed the button and every time I go to turn it off it won’t work

The prevailing theory atm is that it comes out Black Friday Weekend, so probably late September, early to mid October if they don't just spring it on us on Thanksgiving or whatever. 

I'm really hoping the Old Boba fig doesn't become super expensive on Bricklink because I really cannot excuse the S1 build. 

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Can we please stop with the snobby attitudes? I'm tired of the personal attacks towards each other, towards MandR, his fans, etc. We're grown adults here, stop it!

We go on for pages discussing the same topics over and over again (e.g. Will Beskar Mando have arm printing in X set? Why doesn't Vader have arm printing in Y set? What's the orange thing in the Gunship?)...And, now it's suddenly unreasonable to question the minifigure selection in a LEGO set? 

Everyone has their own reasons for buying (or not buying) a product. Maybe they just like the build, minifigs, a singular piece, the box art, price, details/accuracy, size, etc. (or a combination of the factors)?...My point is that it ultimately comes down to the individual. Everyone's allowed to have their own opinions. So, let's start speaking for ourselves and stop speaking for others.

 

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7 minutes ago, avengers777 said:

We go on for pages discussing the same topics over and over again (e.g. Will Beskar Mando have arm printing in X set? Why doesn't Vader have arm printing in Y set? What's the orange thing in the Gunship?)...And, now it's suddenly unreasonable to question the minifigure selection in a LEGO set? 

Yes and no. I don't think questioning Lego's choices is ever entirely unreasonable, but in this case, people are getting unreasonably angry over something that was a given (No Phase II Cody/Jedi Bob). I understand questioning the lack of pilot/Yoda/Anakin/Obi-Wan/Padme/Clone Trooper or any mixture thereof. But at the end of the day, it's a small piece of a larger puzzle.

1 hour ago, Graupensuppe said:

But now that UCS boxes are just black and don't show a movie scene in the background anymore, the minifigure selection is basically the only thing that connects the set to a specific movie.

And y'know, the reference pictures. And the fact that the Gunship is most iconic in AOTC, just like the X-Wing, Y-Wing, and ISD for ANH. And the fact that there's never been a ROTS version by Lego, I could keep going.

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27 minutes ago, avengers777 said:

Can we please stop with the snobby attitudes? I'm tired of the personal attacks towards each other, towards MandR, his fans, etc. We're grown adults here, stop it!

We go on for pages discussing the same topics over and over again (e.g. Will Beskar Mando have arm printing in X set? Why doesn't Vader have arm printing in Y set? What's the orange thing in the Gunship?)...And, now it's suddenly unreasonable to question the minifigure selection in a LEGO set? 

Everyone has their own reasons for buying (or not buying) a product. Maybe they just like the build, minifigs, a singular piece, the box art, price, details/accuracy, size, etc. (or a combination of the factors)?...My point is that it ultimately comes down to the individual. Everyone's allowed to have their own opinions. So, let's start speaking for ourselves and stop speaking for others.

 

Yeah, we’re grown adults…MandR is not, he’s a bratty spoiled kid with serious issues and way too much influence on similar-minded people. You realize the actual “attacks” as you say, the real unacceptable anger, is coming from his fans who are calling for a lego designer to be fired because they didn’t get what they want. Who crap on a gorgeous set just because it doesn’t have the minfigures they wanted, as if they wouldn’t have given the same outcry if the figures they wanted were exclusive to a $350 set they never actually planned on getting to begin with 🙄. I’ll be buying the set on day one, and I will enjoy it immensely as the large display model that it is supposed to be, instead of listening to nay sayers and spiteful brats like MandR. And I’m sorry but if someone’s entire basis for buying a UCS set is the minfigures, the disappointment is entirely their fault.

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1 hour ago, Gremer2 said:

To be honest, I don't think there's any point arguing with him. You'll never get anywhere, there's no real logic behind anything he actually says. He claims Lego hates making prequel sets while they're releasing several this year. He completely made up the statistic that 90% of people voted for the Gunship and then when it was said that 58% did, acted like a 32% difference isn't a big deal. He keeps saying that Cody not being in the Gunship is Lego attacking prequel fans, without any statistic on the actual figure vote. And I'm sure there's so much more I'm forgetting. It's probably best to just ignore him.

Good point, I'll take your advice.

My final post on the gunship topic, unless I get direct responses:

We knew from the beginning that the vote was for a UCS gunship from AOTC. From this, everyone should be able to infer that:

A: It's a UCS set, meaning figures aren't a major factor, and it will be significantly larger than the system version of the craft.

B: it's based off it's appearance in AOTC, meaning that the figures would most likely be from the gunship scenes in that film. 

I can understand being upset that there's no pilot, even though I have personally outlined before why I don't think it's a big deal, certainly not one big enough to not buy the set over. 

If you voted for the set, and aren't planning on buying it because of the figures, YOU are contributing to the lack of prequel UCS by not purchasing a set you voted for. Personally I think it should have been done as a pre-order type thing, so people would put their money where their mouth is instead of voting for something and coming up with baloney excuses not to get it. 

1 hour ago, Graupensuppe said:

But now that UCS boxes are just black and don't show a movie scene in the background anymore, the minifigure selection is basically the only thing that connects the set to a specific movie.

Yeah, but the boxart isn't the evidence, it's that they'd made clear from the day the vote was announced that it was going to be based on AOTC.

 

 

Ok to try to talk about anything else:

How about that book? :laugh: Poe's nice as the figure I suppose, a main hero for kids to have but not something essential that adults would buy the book just to get. (I don't really mind the book-exclusive figs, but I can never justify purchasing the books as I'll never read them and then I'm basically just paying $20-30 for a minifig.)

If I remember correctly we had our first leaked set lists as early as july in the past, so keep your eyes peeled, bois.

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What was the original source for the $800 UCS set/AT-AT and when was the last time we had any info about it? I'm not doubting it, but it still feels really odd that we're getting this many UCS sets in a year.

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10 minutes ago, Gremer2 said:

What was the original source for the $800 UCS set/AT-AT and when was the last time we had any info about it? I'm not doubting it, but it still feels really odd that we're getting this many UCS sets in a year.

I believe the price was from Yakface and the info about it being an AT-AT came from Promobricks :thumbup:

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4 hours ago, Kdapt-Preacher said:

To break up the constant Gunship stuff, how confident are we that the AT-AT actually exists? It wasn't that long ago that people were thinking that the Gunship would be out on May 4th and the large UCS might be a Death Star, and I don't remember when it was confirmed that there'd be three UCS sets this year and that the next one was an AT-AT. What's the source on that?

Just about 100%. The Death Star was mindless speculation after the $800 price tag came to fruition. Nobody was saying the gunship was coming in May, people who weren’t speculating at least. 

56 minutes ago, Balrogofmorgoth said:

way too much influence on similar-minded people. You realize the actual “attacks” as you say, the real unacceptable anger, is coming from his fans who are calling for a lego designer to be fired because they didn’t get what they want. Who crap on a gorgeous set just because it doesn’t have the minfigures they wanted, as if they wouldn’t have given the same outcry if the figures they wanted were exclusive to a $350 set they never actually planned on getting to begin with

And people wonder why we don’t like the guy smh

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21 minutes ago, Gremer2 said:

What was the original source for the $800 UCS set/AT-AT and when was the last time we had any info about it? I'm not doubting it, but it still feels really odd that we're getting this many UCS sets in a year.

4 minutes ago, avengers777 said:

I believe the price was from Yakface and the info about it being an AT-AT came from Promobricks :thumbup:

Yeah Promobricks as close to a legitimate news website as exists in the Lego fandom so we can trust them. Plus with the pattern for enormous sets (Falcon in 2017, ISD in 2019, it's now 2021) we're due for one anyway, this year probably would have been just R2 and the AT AT if it hadn't been for the fan vote. 

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1 hour ago, Balrogofmorgoth said:

is coming from his fans who are calling for a lego designer to be fired because they didn’t get what they want

I've definitely seen criticism of the figs, but I haven't seen anybody do this. Where/when did this happen?

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41 minutes ago, hondohnaka said:

Yeah Promobricks as close to a legitimate news website as exists in the Lego fandom so we can trust them. Plus with the pattern for enormous sets (Falcon in 2017, ISD in 2019, it's now 2021) we're due for one anyway, this year probably would have been just R2 and the AT AT if it hadn't been for the fan vote. 

Yeah, the UCS pattern is a $200 for may the fourth, than alternating between a $350ish MBS and a $700-800 UCS in september/october, with occasional extras like BB-8 and the gunship.

1 hour ago, Gremer2 said:

What was the original source for the $800 UCS set/AT-AT and when was the last time we had any info about it? I'm not doubting it, but it still feels really odd that we're getting this many UCS sets in a year.

We have 3 because of the fan vote. As others have said, the source (promobricks) is pretty legit.

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Just now, Mandalorianknight said:

Yeah, the UCS pattern is a $200 for may the fourth, than alternating between a $350ish MBS and a $700-800 UCS in september/october, with occasional extras like BB-8 and the gunship.

We have 3 because of the fan vote. As others have said, the source (promobricks) is pretty legit.

ooh now I'm excited for next year's theoretical MBS

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20 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Yeah, the UCS pattern is a $200 for may the fourth, than alternating between a $350ish MBS and a $700-800 UCS in september/october, with occasional extras like BB-8 and the gunship.

We have 3 because of the fan vote. As others have said, the source (promobricks) is pretty legit.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I definitely believe the rumors, it just feels kinda weird. But maybe that's just because I kinda don't want it to be true, my wallet is going to be hurting real bad by the end of the year.

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