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Good gracious this argument is absurd.

 

Anyway, not very big on the sets. The Trexler looks awful, the Slave is good but doesn't look like a $60 set and I don't need it anyway. The Arquitens is okay, I guess, but I don't like play-scale capital ships so that's a pass. This is really shaping up to be a cheap year.

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57 minutes ago, Gremer2 said:

the Slave is good but doesn't look like a $60 set

593 parts for €49,99 is quite decent.

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This is ridiculous, there are multiple pages of debate over something that just does not matter. So they don't want to use the word "slave" in a kids toy, big deal. People seem to be getting so personally offended over this, I mean someone is even comparing this insignificant corporate decision to Orwell's 1984. I feel like I'm losing brain cells just by skim reading the last few pages...

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7 minutes ago, ood0 said:

This is ridiculous, there are multiple pages of debate over something that just does not matter. So they don't want to use the word "slave" in a kids toy, big deal. People seem to be getting so personally offended over this, I mean someone is even comparing this insignificant corporate decision to Orwell's 1984. I feel like I'm losing brain cells just by skim reading the last few pages...

Lol - some people are just triggered snowflakes. They'll continue to buy Lego and Star Wars. 

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6 hours ago, V-2929 said:

Ah man, I'm going to risk going off topic here.

Please don't.

24 minutes ago, ood0 said:

This is ridiculous, there are multiple pages of debate over something that just does not matter.

Then don't contribute to the problem by continuing the debate.

15 minutes ago, Prometheus87 said:

Lol - some people are just triggered snowflakes.

No need to call people names.

All, acknowledging that your post is off-topic does not excuse it. Regardless of your feelings on a subject, you don't have to have the last word. Please just leave it alone, or hit the "Report" button if you think it's particularly egregious. And while I'm thankful that the discussion has not yet reached this point, I'll remind you that topics related to politics are explicitly against our site guidelines.

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43 minutes ago, m4st3rt3ch said:

593 parts for €49,99 is quite decent.

Oh, the PPP ratio is certainly very good for Star Wars. It's just more about the size. It's barely bigger than the one from BoCC and I thought that maybe looked like a $25 set

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I've been reading/watching reviews on the Light Cruiser and none of the ones I've seen mention whether or not you can fit figures in the cruiser when closed. Does anyone know if you can or found a review that does show it?

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I really want to like the Imperial Light Cruiser more. I think I will get it when it's on offer and mod it. First of all I think it looks more like an Arquitens (from Rebels) than a Class 546 (Gideon's). To me the biggest issue is that the bridge looks way too oversized. I get that they wanted it to be able to use it as a handle, but the tower below it should have been 2 or 3 wide with plates on the outside I think. There's already a build video up on YouTube. If you removed the technic superstructure it should be possible to downsize the tower and bridge, and then maybe add a handle like on 75190.

Also the gap in the nose wedge should definitely be smaller. I understand that was done for the TIE launch feature but I'm happy to remove that. I'm happy to give that a pass because the launch tube is weird in universe - how does a Lambda shuttle fit through a gap that's narrow for a tie..

In terms of the interior, the front could do with more details to cover up some of the technic but I think its fine for the set. You can probably get a figure lying fown in the triangular sections behind the side docking bays so maybe LEGO could have included a dark trooper dropping feature like 76130. If you were to keep the bridge the same size, but remove the technic infrastructure (as it doesn't look like it provides lateral stability. only for swooshing), you would have a 4 wide space, maybe make a cell for Grogu?

I feel like LEGO could have made a few changes for accuracy or more functions and they sort of went with neither.

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Name discussion aside, I'm surprised at how small 75312 is compared to previous versions. It seems like a much larger compromise than the X-Wing, TIE fighter, or Imperial Shuttle have been compared to their previous sets. Glad I got the 2019 model, but might Bricklink the new Boba design.

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18 hours ago, kidtheboss611 said:

On another note I think Lego decision making regarding Lego Con and set reveals shows they don't quite understand who their fan base is. The people who are diehard lego fans who will take 2 hrs to watch the Con don't want to watch fast interviews and the Lego version of Dora the Explorer. I know the Lego is still a kid's toy but its consumers in 2021 are not. The fact that they don't understand that coupled with the fact they don't seem to want to listen to fan demand (prequel UCS, CW sets, clones etc.) is really disheartening. 

I think you're severely overestimating Lego's adult demographic.  AFOLs as a subset is definitely larger than it has been in the past, but every time you go into a Lego store or are in the Lego aisle at your local retailer, I can promise you there are more kids shopping for sets than adults in probably 99% of cases (or at the very least, if it's young kids, it's clearly a situation where their parent is buying it for them, not for themselves).  I have no idea what their actual breakdown of sales in terms of AFOLs vs. KFOLs is (and I think it'd be nearly impossible to really gauge, because adults probably do most of the actual purchasing of Lego regardless of whether it's for them or purchasing it for a kid) but I would be extremely surprised if AFOLs made up a segment of their market larger than 15-20%.  Being a multi-billion dollar company, I'd be confident that their market research team is very good at what they do in terms of determining which types of customers to target and who their fanbase is. 

Plus, I think they've done a lot in terms of prequel stuff the past couple of years.  Last year we had three TCW/prequel sets, one of which contained the first Ahsoka figure in a while (plus an exclusive 332nd trooper), another of which was entirely fan demand-driven.  We've also got a prequel UCS coming that was done by a fan vote, as well as two more TCW sets including Bo-Katan, who was probably one of the most requested TCW figures, and we're getting the Bad Batch set, which I feel is pretty closely related to TCW.  The wave being Mandalorian-focused, to me, isn't terribly surprising, because that's probably the hottest SW property right now, and it makes sense to capitalize on that now.  

In regards to the new set reveals, I can definitely cross off Boba's ship from my want-list, as it looks almost identical in size to the Cloud City version.  It's a nice model, but there's no reason for me to spend $50 when basically the only difference is the figures, cargo sled, and the space for a carbonite block.  The Marauder looks pretty nice and I love how many figures it can fit.  I might get it if the price were to drop closer to $30 at some point. 

Beyond that, I'm excited for the Mandalorian Forge reveal, if nothing else just to see the minifigures.

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2 hours ago, samsz_3 said:

I really want to like the Imperial Light Cruiser more. I think I will get it when it's on offer and mod it. First of all I think it looks more like an Arquitens (from Rebels) than a Class 546 (Gideon's). To me the biggest issue is that the bridge looks way too oversized. I get that they wanted it to be able to use it as a handle, but the tower below it should have been 2 or 3 wide with plates on the outside I think. There's already a build video up on YouTube. If you removed the technic superstructure it should be possible to downsize the tower and bridge, and then maybe add a handle like on 75190.

Also the gap in the nose wedge should definitely be smaller. I understand that was done for the TIE launch feature but I'm happy to remove that. I'm happy to give that a pass because the launch tube is weird in universe - how does a Lambda shuttle fit through a gap that's narrow for a tie..

In terms of the interior, the front could do with more details to cover up some of the technic but I think its fine for the set. You can probably get a figure lying fown in the triangular sections behind the side docking bays so maybe LEGO could have included a dark trooper dropping feature like 76130. If you were to keep the bridge the same size, but remove the technic infrastructure (as it doesn't look like it provides lateral stability. only for swooshing), you would have a 4 wide space, maybe make a cell for Grogu?

I feel like LEGO could have made a few changes for accuracy or more functions and they sort of went with neither.

I'm also left feeling a bit cold by the cruiser, I was expecting to like it more after the first pic we saw. Part of me wonders if the designers only got limited reference of the ship from the show and filled in gaps with the Arquitens, as it is something of a hybrid.

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Just watched David's review of the Marauder. I think it looks fantastic and the renders sold it short. 

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I wasn't overly stoked about getting ANOTHER Slave 1 but man this smaller model just looks so dang nice. I'm loving all of these sets especially the minifigure lineup seems absolutely insane, best ones in recent memory and we aren't even finished with the year.

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13 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

UCS Gunship, Duel on Mandalore, and Mandalorian Starfighter: “Are we a joke to you?” :tongue:

I think some of the Slave One arguments are a bit far-fetched. The name change being the result of marketing decisions (easier to google) is a good enough explanation already :grin: 

disney asked them to remove the word from the set, so it definately is to censor it.

10 hours ago, ArrowBricks said:

Sets look nice in HD that’s for sure. The Marauder is a nice surprise!! Slave One is solid. Not sure I like the Cruiser however! For £150 looks a bit empty…idk? 

Definately buying slave one, I'm going to start a slave one/boba collection. I've been meaning too for awhile, but never had the funds. The cruiser is a nice playset for kids, personally I'm not a huge fan of the look, and I think a second dark trooper would have been nice.

11 hours ago, V-2929 said:

Ah man, I'm going to risk going off topic here. Slave is a loaded term. It carries a lot of weight, and the extent of that weight will vary from person to person who hears it used. It's a term of racial oppression. Across North America and Europe companies (I can't speak for other parts of the world) companies are trawling through code to rename processes and remove references to slave systems and master systems in recognition of the burden the word carries, what it represents and what it may mean to people. We're still not that far from the abolition of slavery, the impacts of it are still felt throughout the world, and these companies, including Lego, have black and other POC employees who won't have to look too many generations back to find family members who were slaves. In a society striving to do better, removing the word slave from the lexicon is a simple step and one that should happen

As other people have said, the name of the ship is barely mentioned in the movies and cartoons. Lego haven't renamed the ship; they've just, possibly for a variety of reasons, chosen to not use that name for this kit. That may continue in the future, and if it does it's a sign of progress. You want Lego, both for kids and AFOLs, to be an inclusive community you're going to have to stop using terms like slave. If you don't want it to be an inclusive community, then you're running counter to Lego's own stated aims

Alright, so, at that same risk of going off-topic. It's a word, one that represents something terrible. Other words representing terrible things: War, bomber, death, etc. If we're going to get rid of any discussion or concept of the word slavery, that means cancelling TPM, at least part of AOTC, many episodes of clone wars, certain episodes of rebels, a good fourth of jedi:fallen order, etc. Removing a word from the lexicon is literally (not an exaggeration, I mean this in the literal sense, it happens in the book) something out of 1984. Slavery in star wars has always been shown as a bad thing, done by the bad guys, and the heroes fight to stop it. That's how the topic should be treated, not by acting like it's not a concept that has existed since civilization. Will we never get another roman soldier in a CMF, because they enslaved anyone who wasn't a roman citizen? What about Watto? He owned slaves, can we no longer get watto figures? Child anakin was a slave, will he stop getting figures?

TLDR: Removing the word slave from a franchise that has slavery as a part of much of the lore, and always accurately depicts how bad it is and shows the heroes trying to stop it, is backwards and 1984-like censorship. If we go down this path, 10-15 years from now there'll be "content warnings" in front of TPM and parts of clone wars on disney+. If I sound paranoid, just know I used to joke about disney getting rid of slave one back when they got rid of slave leia.

10 hours ago, ARC2149Nova said:

1984 called, it wants it's censorship back.

Slavery is a part of history, an ugly part to be sure, and one that has crossed every boundary, be it ethnic, racial, or regional. Censoring a word does nothing but bury the past. In a society striving to do better, we do better to learn from the mistakes of the past, so as not to repeat them.

And every culture has been subject to oppression. Every single one of them. It's not a North American creation. But in the end, Star Wars has multiple references to slavery, and the harm it causes (Anakin being the principle example, but there are entire factions of slavers in Star Wars, like the Zygeerians).

Yes, exactly! Censoring words and removing history always leads down a dark road.

9 hours ago, Graupensuppe said:

 

You laugh now, but just wait a couple years when TPM is removed from disney+, and the death star's construction is changed in canon to have been done by "willing geonosian and wookie volunteers"

 

Oh, and stormtroopers share their name with nazi troops. Do we have to start calling them imperial armored forces now?

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@Mandalorianknight

I dunno, but it's almost like people here don't read the preceding posts before they reply. Especially the posts from the mods that say, as explicitly as humanly possible, "drop it", "move on", "stop trying to get the last word".

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Do you guys reckon the Dark Trooper will reappear in a battlepack like how the Death Trooper, Praetorian Guard and Sith Trooper were all introduced in a large/expensive set and later popped up again in a BP? Absolutely adore the figure.

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I hope so. It would be a waste for a great helmet mold to remain exclusive to one set, especially on a figure that was seen in mass numbers and will probably be featured more in Star Wars canon. 

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10 minutes ago, lego_guyon02 said:

Do you guys reckon the Dark Trooper will reappear in a battlepack like how the Death Trooper, Praetorian Guard and Sith Trooper were all introduced in a large/expensive set and later popped up again in a BP? Absolutely adore the figure.

I sure hope so :laugh: And by only including one in the Cruiser they made sure a BP would sell like hotcakes :grin: The only thing I’m not sure about is what they else they’d include. Maybe an officer/Stormie plus a weapon stand or a made-up speeder of sorts

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37 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

I sure hope so :laugh: And by only including one in the Cruiser they made sure a BP would sell like hotcakes :grin: The only thing I’m not sure about is what they else they’d include. Maybe an officer/Stormie plus a weapon stand or a made-up speeder of sorts

the carrier bay they were in in the show would make an excellent build you could click into the cruiser fairly easily with enough work

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15 hours ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

UCS Gunship, Duel on Mandalore, and Mandalorian Starfighter: “Are we a joke to you?” :tongue:

That's the first UCS prequel set in over 10 years and we forced Lego to make it with a fan vote. Also it looks like the figures were getting in that set aren't the ones that were voted for. I don't care about cody but not getting a pilot is really disappointing and proves further Lego doesn't listen to the fans. 

The two new CW sets have come more than a year after the last CW episode aired and one of them is probably the worst duel set ever (I'd only get it to put Mando on the throne if that). 

So in short the failure of Lego Con is just a result of pattern from lego in regards to their most popular theme and its fans. 

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5 hours ago, Kit Figsto said:

I think you're severely overestimating Lego's adult demographic.  AFOLs as a subset is definitely larger than it has been in the past, but every time you go into a Lego store or are in the Lego aisle at your local retailer, I can promise you there are more kids shopping for sets than adults in probably 99% of cases (or at the very least, if it's young kids, it's clearly a situation where their parent is buying it for them, not for themselves).  I have no idea what their actual breakdown of sales in terms of AFOLs vs. KFOLs is (and I think it'd be nearly impossible to really gauge, because adults probably do most of the actual purchasing of Lego regardless of whether it's for them or purchasing it for a kid) but I would be extremely surprised if AFOLs made up a segment of their market larger than 15-20%.  Being a multi-billion dollar company, I'd be confident that their market research team is very good at what they do in terms of determining which types of customers to target and who their fanbase is. 

Plus, I think they've done a lot in terms of prequel stuff the past couple of years.  Last year we had three TCW/prequel sets, one of which contained the first Ahsoka figure in a while (plus an exclusive 332nd trooper), another of which was entirely fan demand-driven.  We've also got a prequel UCS coming that was done by a fan vote, as well as two more TCW sets including Bo-Katan, who was probably one of the most requested TCW figures, and we're getting the Bad Batch set, which I feel is pretty closely related to TCW.  The wave being Mandalorian-focused, to me, isn't terribly surprising, because that's probably the hottest SW property right now, and it makes sense to capitalize on that now.  

I don't think I'm over estimating the # of AFOLs as of late as Lego themselves that adult fans are purchasing a large number of their sets.

Source: https://www.brickfanatics.com/lego-isnt-just-for-kids-more-sales-than-ever-go-to-adults/

Also, when I said Lego I really meant Lego SW not Lego in general because yes some themes like city are primarily for kids but themes like SW that sell sets for $350,$700,$800 sets are made for adults. I don't know if I'm the odd one out but my parents would never have spend anything more than 100-150 dollars on a toy so I'm pretty sure they know that the AFOL's are growing by the day. I'm pretty sure Lego asks on their website who you're purchasing for when you sign up for VIP and so they have the data on whose buying what and for who. 

My point of prequel stuff is that it shouldn't take a fan vote or a fan movement to make something that is obvisouly popular. I couldn't find CW sets in stores last August and had to wait till October to get a 501st BP. Also the young kids like myself who grew up with the CW are now entering the 18-30 age group where they can buy freely and so capitalizing on the CW popularity would be smart instead of making YET ANOTHER Luke's land-speeder and X-Wing.

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53 minutes ago, kidtheboss611 said:

That's the first UCS prequel set in over 10 years and we forced Lego to make it with a fan vote. Also it looks like the figures were getting in that set aren't the ones that were voted for.

I don't think TLG was forced to do anything. They themselves offered the Gunship as a choice in the poll - it wasn't like the options were Landspeeder, Snowspeeder and X-Wing and everyone had to put down Gunship as a write in vote.

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2 hours ago, kidtheboss611 said:

That's the first UCS prequel set in over 10 years and we forced Lego to make it with a fan vote. Also it looks like the figures were getting in that set aren't the ones that were voted for. I don't care about cody but not getting a pilot is really disappointing and proves further Lego doesn't listen to the fans. 

If, and I stress IF the minifigure lineup is true, then I agree, a pilot is essential to the craft, even if it's mostly a display model (not that we aren't gonna load it up with troops anyway :wink:).

I still say Pilot, Yoda, and Private was the most ideal lineup, with Pilot, Windu, and Ponds a close second (even though we're getting Deviss instead, and no pilot. reportedly)

Btw, for those confused, the Clone Commander seen with Windu in AOTC is canonically Commander Ponds, and Clone Captain Deviss was one of the red captains in said movie.

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12 hours ago, TheMainBricker said:

I don't get this, we are told by SW Lego design director at Lego that this is the case, and you want to refute it and go on about conjecture! With a preference to believe a theory someone has posted on these forums because it fits with what you'd like to believe rather than the reality.

So now I am left with a question over whether we will get any new Jedi Masters and any sets based on TPM Anakin when he was a slave. Disney have already banned slave Leia, and even Carrie Fisher wasn't a fan of that decision.

His argument was valid. One article does not make it irrefutable fact. And the wording was vague. Now please get back on target.

5 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Alright, so, at that same risk of going off-topic. It's a word, one that represents something terrible. Other words representing terrible things: War, bomber, death, etc. If we're going to get rid of any discussion or concept of the word slavery, that means cancelling TPM, at least part of AOTC, many episodes of clone wars, certain episodes of rebels, a good fourth of jedi:fallen order, etc. Removing a word from the lexicon is literally (not an exaggeration, I mean this in the literal sense, it happens in the book) something out of 1984. Slavery in star wars has always been shown as a bad thing, done by the bad guys, and the heroes fight to stop it. That's how the topic should be treated, not by acting like it's not a concept that has existed since civilization. Will we never get another roman soldier in a CMF, because they enslaved anyone who wasn't a roman citizen? What about Watto? He owned slaves, can we no longer get watto figures? Child anakin was a slave, will he stop getting figures?

TLDR: Removing the word slave from a franchise that has slavery as a part of much of the lore, and always accurately depicts how bad it is and shows the heroes trying to stop it, is backwards and 1984-like censorship. If we go down this path, 10-15 years from now there'll be "content warnings" in front of TPM and parts of clone wars on disney+. If I sound paranoid, just know I used to joke about disney getting rid of slave one back when they got rid of slave leia.

Yes, exactly! Censoring words and removing history always leads down a dark road.

One moderator telling you to re-direct the conversation back on topic is a warning. Two telling you to get back on target should be a big red flag.

Now I'm going to give the final word on the matter for the time being. 1984 censorship is bad. But we have no hard proof that Disney is actually trying to censor the word "Slave." They may be, but we don't know. I'll tell you what I do know. I have a 3 year old boy who plays with my Slave I (50th anniversary edition). Just today I told him to get Boba Fett's ship. Not because I was censoring the name "Slave I," but because that's what he calls the ship. Lego and Disney are companies geared towards kids. It could just be that they are trying to catering to their main audience.

There are other opinions on this matter. But most if not all of them have already been shared in the past 3 pages. That's enough content on this subject unless something new comes out from Lego or Disney. Ignore me at your own risk.

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A couple of thoughts on the Star Wars portion of LEGO CON:

1. I was underwhelmed by the set reveals, but not surprised. I'm guessing a decent chunk of people watching weren't aware of the Mandalorian set leaks and were excited/happy with the reveals.

2. That said, I think LEGO missed a perfect opportunity to reveal the UCS Gunship. Between the hype for the inaugural LEGO CON and the statement that the Gunship would be revealed mid-summer, why not do it now? The hype train was steam-rolling into the station for the Gunship, and LEGO diverted it to a few sets that are decent but likely lack the same wow-factor the Gunship would have had. Maybe it'll be a later reveal than we thought, like September?

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