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Disney has been trying to rebrand 'Slave Leia' to 'Huttslayer Leia' for a couple of years now, so it's not a complete shock that they'd be backing off the Slave I as well.

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It's a minor thing but it kinda bothers me that the Dark Trooper helmet has holes for the "eyes" rather than having them in the mold, since clone trooper helmets and scout trooper helmets, have moved away from that.

Also really happy the Tie Fighters got a printed 1x1.

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7 minutes ago, lego_guyon02 said:

I couldn't possibly care less about the UCS Gunship or any other UCS set for that matter, not my kind of set at all. And me being "excessively harsh" (which I disagree with) doesn't just come down to a disappointing Star Wars reveal but just the entire stream in general: 
- The stream is on LEGO's site, which everyone knows is held up by duct tape, and is therefore totally unreliable. 
- The tone of the stream is all over the place. First it's aimed at AFOLs and the next minute it has done a total 180 and shifted to a Dora the Explorer-like show. 
- The interviews felt incredibly rushed. Instead of actually taking the time to ask some interesting questions the entire thing is just scripted to go through the program as fast as possible. 
- Pretty much no set reveals whatsoever. Mario could've been saved for today but they didn't, they could've teased some upcoming sets from several themes but they didn't, I could go on like this.

I wish you worked at lego, Guyon. 

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Final thoughts on those sets

Imperial Armored Marauder: The build is horrible, it's so ugly. Minifigures are good, I love new heads for Stormtroopers.

Slave I: Love the build, it's great. Ladder stand is a great inclusion. Minifigures are good, but I wouldn't say no to one more. 

Imperial Light Cruiser: The build is mediocre, it's similar to every ~150€ Imperial build we get, which I'm not a fan of. Interior doesn't look like it's enough. Minifigures, on the other hand, are amazing. Fennec and the Dark Trooper are perfect, and Gideon is pretty great.

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Just now, Kdapt-Preacher said:

Disney has been trying to rebrand 'Slave Leia' to 'Huttslayer Leia' for a couple of years now, so it's not a complete shock that they'd be backing off the Slave I as well.

 
 
 
 
slay·er
/ˈslāər/
 
noun
ARCHAICLITERARY
 
  1. someone who kills a person or animal in a violent way.
     
     
    ....but "slave" is bad?:roflmao:
     
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4 minutes ago, 2lazeetomakeaname said:
 
Someone who kills a person or animal in a violent way.
....but "slave" is bad?:roflmao:

I mean, this is a series called Star WARS. Some degree of violence is an inherent part of it; other adult themes are not. I don't agree with Disney's goal here, but it's not completely crazy to draw a distinction between those things.

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I'm not surprised that the set isn't called Slave I. These are the same marketing people who renamed the Razor Crest set to "The Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport" 5 months after the set was revealed and put up for pre-orders. Even if we set aside the fact that they never use the actual names of ships anymore in Star Wars, LEGO is no stranger to awkward set names. Most of this year's Harry Potter sets have "Hogwarts: " preceding a more conventional name, and all of the 2021 Jurassic World sets have the word "dinosaur" following the actual name of the dinosaur in question. In the Superheroes lines we have titles like "Iron Man: Iron Monger Mayhem," "Iron Man Hulkbuster versus A.I.M. Agent," and "Batman vs. The Joker: Batmobile Chase." There's something to be said for European packaging not plastering word salad all over the box.

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3 minutes ago, PicnicBasketSam said:

I'm not surprised that the set isn't called Slave I. These are the same marketing people who renamed the Razor Crest set to "The Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport" 5 months after the set was revealed and put up for pre-orders. Even if we set aside the fact that they never use the actual names of ships anymore in Star Wars, LEGO is no stranger to awkward set names. Most of this year's Harry Potter sets have "Hogwarts: " preceding a more conventional name, and all of the 2021 Jurassic World sets have the word "dinosaur" following the actual name of the dinosaur in question. In the Superheroes lines we have titles like "Iron Man: Iron Monger Mayhem," "Iron Man Hulkbuster versus A.I.M. Agent," and "Batman vs. The Joker: Batmobile Chase." There's something to be said for European packaging not plastering word salad all over the box.

1. The Razor Crest had to be temporarily renamed in certain markets due to a trademark issue in the EU, which was subsequently resolved.

2. Most of those sets have awkward or redundant names for SEO purposes... they load up the product names with common search terms to make them rank higher or get grouped together in search results. 

I know most of you, in your infinite wisdom and years of experience running multi-billion dollar companies, think LEGO (or Disney, take your pick) is run by complete idiots. But sometimes, ocassionally, there is a rhyme and reason to what they do.

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Yeah, the name change is probably to match the current name system of starships like 'Luke Skywalker's X-Wing.' Maybe it will get an official name change in BoBF. :shrug_confused:

Either way I'm excited for the set since I currently don't own a Slave 1 and the small size is great for my limited shelf space. I'll probably wait on a discount for it, same with the Mandalorian Starfighter. Need to add more Mandalorians to my growing collection. 

The Trexler Marauder looks good to me and the minifigs look great. Most likely will be a day one purchase for me.

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I don't really have much to say about the sets, might get the Trexler, definitely not getting the Slave I (don't need it just for Boba since he'll be in more sets next year), and I'm leaning towards getting the Cruiser but I'm not totally sold yet.

One thing I just feel like briefly venting about is the fairly poor minifig selections in some of these sets. I think the Trexler is fine, but the Slave I and the Cruiser both really should have each had at least one or two more figs, especially the Slave I. I'll never understand why Star Wars doesn't get minifig counts similar to that of Ninjago when they could just by throwing in a few more generic characters. I doubt it'd affect battlepack sales and I can't think of any other reason why they'd do it, so it just seems pointless to me.

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13 minutes ago, Meadius said:

I'll never understand why Star Wars doesn't get minifig counts similar to that of Ninjago when they could just by throwing in a few more generic characters.

I want to get Gamers Market if only for the fact that it looks like amazing value next to a similarly priced Star Wars set like anakin’s starfighter or the 501st battle pack (not that I could buy either of those sets if I wanted to since they’re apparently exclusive to any country that isn’t the one I live in). I’ve always wondered this about the figures too, but I think we finally got the answer. If the recent batch of designer interviews is anything to go by then my interpretation of the answer given is that the number of figures they’re contractually allowed to include in any given set is directly affected by the number of pieces in the set. This of course doesn’t explain why battle packs with less than 100 pieces will have four figures and starfighters with 300 pieces will only get one fig and a droid, but the designer alluded to the paperwork being pretty full on so there’s a ton of clauses we don’t know anything about. Short of reading the agreements between LEGO and Lucasfilm we’ll never know for sure but we can always speculate. 

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Probably since BLM Disney have been loathed to have the word "Slave" in anything. Disney+ has a whole load of warnings on a lot of its films. So I imagine it's due to stuff like this, which doesn't actually address any of the problems that the movement is actually about.

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I have two theories for the "Boba Fett's Starship"
First, I think the name is only for toys, they have no plan of changing the ship's name (I've heard people say that so..)
So, first option, it's because it makes the set more "kid friendly" which is kind of understandable (imagine you've never watch Star Wars and your 9yo kid comes to you and tells you that "for Christmas I want the Slave 1".. "excuse me.. slave what now, you want a slave?") I know you get my point xD
And second option, Boba Fett is a more known name than Slave 1, simply, a lot more people knows Boba Fett name and less would know the name of the Slave 1 (another exemple, if you take people that have just watched The Mandalorian, they will know Boba Fett because he's a named character in the show but they won't necessarily know what is a Slave 1, since the name is not pronounced once in the show)

Either way it's just a marketing decision that have pretty much no impact on Star Wars what-so-ever.

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4 hours ago, ToaDraco said:

The ship is never once referred to as Slave I in the show(and if my memory serves it was never referred to by name in the films) and perhaps the name might put some people off.

The name has been used on screen before during The Clone Wars second season. Aurra Sing refers to it as Slave I on at least two separate occasions.

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15 minutes ago, TheMainBricker said:

Probably since BLM Disney have been loathed to have the word "Slave" in anything. Disney+ has a whole load of warnings on a lot of its films. So I imagine it's due to stuff like this, which doesn't actually address any of the problems that the movement is actually about.

While I don't agree with the name change since the series is called Star "Wars" I think its generally a good thing that Disney is supporting BLM and trying to remove words like Slave from their work. The Slave 1 should still be the Slave 1 but things like slave Leia could use a change. 

On another note I think Lego decision making regarding Lego Con and set reveals shows they don't quite understand who their fan base is. The people who are diehard lego fans who will take 2 hrs to watch the Con don't want to watch fast interviews and the Lego version of Dora the Explorer. I know the Lego is still a kid's toy but its consumers in 2021 are not. The fact that they don't understand that coupled with the fact they don't seem to want to listen to fan demand (prequel UCS, CW sets, clones etc.) is really disheartening. 

What's worse is that this wave is fantastic and I really love the builds this year. The design team are doing great work but I think that Lego needs to make large scaled changes at the top to fix these issues. 

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1 minute ago, kidtheboss611 said:

While I don't agree with the name change

Then it's great, since they're not changing the name, it's just called that for marketing reasons

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41 minutes ago, kidtheboss611 said:

 I think its generally a good thing that Disney is supporting BLM and trying to remove words like Slave from their work. The Slave 1 should still be the Slave 1 but things like slave Leia could use a change. 

But Leia was a slave? Jabba's a bad dude, he did bad things. Slavery is bad. Censoring the word "slave" doesn't do anything productive. Actually, the fact that Leia took out the galaxy's most vicious crime lord whilst in said position is quite the triumphant metaphor of overcoming one's oppressor.

But what do I know?

These sets are really good. Still getting the Light Cruiser and Slave-1 on release day if possible. And I'm quite happy to see that Moff Gideon does indeed have his glorious 'stache!

I've gathered my new stormtroopers in preparation for the Trexler figures. But the vehicle itself (or three :grin:) will look good on my Imperial shelf. I am among those disappointed with the reveal, but at least we have better set pics.

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This discourse over Slave One not being called Slave One on the box is dumb, they're constantly calling ships by things other than their names and it's hurting literally nobody to not say "Slave". If something completely insignificant like this makes someone's life better in some way, then good change. Anyway, Gideon's face print sucks megablocks, his moustache looks like a mouth and his mouth like a chin

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11 minutes ago, ARC2149Nova said:

 I'm quite happy to see that Moff Gideon does indeed have his glorious 'stache!

I never understood why there was any doubt. 

9 minutes ago, ood0 said:

This discourse over Slave One not being called Slave One on the box is dumb, they're constantly calling ships by things other than their names and it's hurting literally nobody to not say "Slave".

Seconded

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13 minutes ago, ood0 said:

This discourse over Slave One not being called Slave One on the box is dumb, they're constantly calling ships by things other than their names and it's hurting literally nobody to not say "Slave". 

It's just a lazy naming convention. "Knights of Ren Transport Ship" and "Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport Ship" rolls off the tongue so much better than "The Night Buzzard" or "The Razorcrest". :sarcasm_smug: (I do understand the copyright shenanigans regarding the latter). General Grievous' Starfighter is a valid counter, but "Soulless One" is much less known than the Slave-1. It's just a bit jarring since they've been using the name since the beginning.

I do agree it's not really important, but it is noticeable.

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Why do people care so much about the names of sets? It makes it much easier for parents and kids looking for things and for us we get mad for a minute then buy the set and move on

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First, we're getting close to getting off topic here guys.

On 6/25/2021 at 5:58 PM, Kit Figsto said:

Super happy with the set, it's actually my first X-Wing Fighter (I've now got a Y-Wing, A-Wing, U-Wing, and V-Wing, so the only alphabet fighter I'm missing is a B-Wing), and I also didn't have an ANH Leia prior to this, as I've never owned a Falcon/X-Wing/Tantive and didn't buy the Death Star swing set.  The figures are great, the wing functionality is awesome, and I think the scale of the model and level of detail are pretty perfect for a system-scale set.  My only real complaint is with the landing gear - the ones on the wings are easy enough to remove, but the front landing gear is both loose and yet also kind of tricky to get off, since the Technic pin holding it in place can kind of get stuck. 

I too loved the set when I first built it. A month later I have a complaint though. My 3 year old son (who does really well with Lego even at 3) plays with it a lot and it's always breaking. None of the other sets he plays with breaks as often as the X-Wing! The wings snap off, the laser canons are almost always missing, and most recently he dropped it and it shattered. The Razor Crest on the other hand has taken more beating than any set should ever go through and it's still in great shape.

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23 hours ago, ToaDraco said:

It's not perfect, it's missing the passenger deck of the ship but it's an absolutely glorious set and well worth its weight in plastic(at least at retail) it's quite heavy and detailed. UCS sets are very pricey, Slave I is the only one I have and that probably won't change until/unless we get a UCS ETA-2 Actis-Class Interceptor or a UCS Venator.

On a side note, I love that they're standardizing the arm printing for Din Djarrin in every set he appears in and I would love if they did the same for Boba. I think it would be really smart of LEGO do do this with certain characters throughout the theme that are main characters deserving of distinction and extra detail ie, Din for The Mandalorian, Boba for The Book of Boba Fett, and I absolutely think Darth Vader is worthy of having his arm printing standardized in every appearance, same with future Anakin figures, even if it's just printing for his robotic arm, same with Luke. Hopefully this is the start of a wonderful trend.

Sounds great! i'm going to start hunting for it on ebay.

I definately agree with the overall sentiment about arm printing, but I don't think luke and anakin need it, since it's really only the hand. (Never mind, I looked it up and anakin's arm definately could use printing for the robotic parts.)

10 hours ago, lego_guyon02 said:

Well that was a massive waste of time. Honestly LEGO CON in it's entirety was a hot steaming pile of garbage.

Yeah...

7 hours ago, Kdapt-Preacher said:

Disney has been trying to rebrand 'Slave Leia' to 'Huttslayer Leia' for a couple of years now, so it's not a complete shock that they'd be backing off the Slave I as well.

I disagree even with their stance on the leia thing...but this is even something else IF TRUE (I talk about this below). It's not even a character that's been imprisoned, it's a word referring to a ship? What's next, decanonizing slave circuits? (from thrawn books, a code that allows ships to be called to and fly towards their pilots)

3 hours ago, ARC2149Nova said:

But Leia was a slave? Jabba's a bad dude, he did bad things. Slavery is bad. Censoring the word "slave" doesn't do anything productive. Actually, the fact that Leia took out the galaxy's most vicious crime lord whilst in said position is quite the triumphant metaphor of overcoming one's oppressor.

But what do I know?

These sets are really good. Still getting the Light Cruiser and Slave-1 on release day if possible. And I'm quite happy to see that Moff Gideon does indeed have his glorious 'stache!

Exactly. I find it hilarious that they're washing away that part of the story when the whole point (ok, the narrative point besides the obvious costume one) was that leia is so cool that even at her lowest point, being taken prisoner, she can kill the biggest crime lord in the galaxy. This sort of pretending and rewriting is 1984-like if true. That said, it could be like the kor transport and hunter transport where it's done for marketing reasons, though slave one is a pretty iconic ship at this point, so it's possible we're all reading too much into this.

They are great sets, definately buying slave one day one. (I would get the light cruiser but I already have an ISD and a custom remnant ISD, I dont want a third imperial cruiser). 

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4 hours ago, ARC2149Nova said:

Censoring the word "slave" doesn't do anything productive.

This. In fact, it actively works against the cause. Ignoring topics like this is the same as acting like they never happened, I learned that from the warnings Disney slapped on its older movies and shows that were deemed unacceptable. 

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