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1 hour ago, Kdapt-Preacher said:

At some point y'all are going to have to make peace with the fact that nobody outside LEGO and Disney knows what those contracts say. You don't know, MandR doesn't know (despite what he may claim), and LEGO doesn't seem inclined to say anything about it other than the one interview ten years ago or whenever that started the whole debate in the first place, so there's simply no way for us to get any insight into that process and speculating about it doesn't accomplish much. The ultimate answer is always that LEGO will make [insert whatever product you're annoyed that they haven't made] the very first moment that a) they have the legal ability to and b) their market research convinces them that it will be the most profitable of their options, with the understanding that, as vocal as the AFOL community may be, we're very rarely the actual target demographic and what everybody here wants is not a good proxy for what the general public wants.

LEGO responds to rumours over Star Wars minifigure licensing rights (brickfanatics.com)

This interview just released this week and the design manager of LEGO Star Wars clearly explained the many nuances and intricacies of the contract TLG has with Disney and LucasFilm. LEGO has made it very clear what they can and can't do under their current contract. That's why it's being discussed right now, since it's been making waves again with (false) rumours, and TLG actually responded to them.

LEGO cannot release Star Wars action figures (minifigures as standalone items). They can only release promotional material, merchandise (ie pens) or minifigures that come with the bare minimum of contractually-obligated number of bricks in order to qualify as a "construction toy" (For the other commenter who said they need to have bricks to be considered a toy, that's not true. Construction is the key criteria that LEGO is required to meet)

 

4 hours ago, PreVizsla said:

On topic of lego selling individual figures,they said that the build inside has to offer play experience and i really don't know how a 20th anniversary stand offers any kind of play experience while buying 20th anniversary obi and if it is a promo and they are aware of a demand why are they not making more figure promos and instead they make terrible builds as may the 4th promo for example. Just sell all the other figures with stands then,there is always star wars anniversary of something at this point. Some people say they have different contracts,how does a multi million company like LEGO have such a bad contract deal and random companies from all over the world that sell action figures like hasbro have mastermind negotiators?

LEGO's contract with Lucasfilm (and now Disney) has only been around since the late 1990's. But Hasbro has had exclusive commercial rights for Star Wars action figures since well before that. Hasbro's targeted market is the exact same as LEGO's - and relatively recently, LEGO surpassed Hasbro as the most valuable toy company in the world. The reason other small companies are able to produce collectible series figures that resemble action figures, is because they have negotiated those contracts specifically with Hasbro as an additional part of the licensing agreement with Lucasfilm/Disney. And the vast majority of that collectible market is solely for adults and not for kids who want to play. But there's no way on Earth that Hasbro would allow their biggest competitor to sell toys that directly compete with their brand and further eat up their own market share. It makes zero sense for them to allow that as the current contracts exist. That's why any Star Wars CMF - minifigures marketed and sold exclusively as standalone play figures - cannot happen until those contracts are renegotiated and Hasbro loses the exclusivity they have on the license. (the 20th anniversary figure had bricks and was also considered a promotional item. They're limited by how far they can go with promotional content, which is probably a combination of having to do things in partnership with LucasFilm/Disney, and not risking legal action from Hasbro for skirting the rules of the contract)

LEGO's negotiators aren't bad, but these contracts have been in place since well before LEGO was even considering releasing CMF's for any of their lines. They're literally not in a position to negotiate until the contracts expire in 2022. (Is that a confirmed date, btw? Or just the one that everyone throws around?) 

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40 minutes ago, LarryBoy said:

LEGO responds to rumours over Star Wars minifigure licensing rights (brickfanatics.com)

*snip*

LEGO's negotiators aren't bad, but these contracts have been in place since well before LEGO was even considering releasing CMF's for any of their lines. They're literally not in a position to negotiate until the contracts expire in 2022. (Is that a confirmed date, btw? Or just the one that everyone throws around?) 

Yeah, based on the interview I don't think there's anything more nefarious at work than 'contract says no'. I think 2022 is one of those that gets thrown around - I feel like 2021 got thrown around a lot about a year ago for the same argument.

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15 hours ago, ood0 said:

Why does everyone seem to think Delta Squad has any chance of appearing again? Especially in Bad Batch? Maybe EA will remake the game like they remade Battlefront, but I don't strongly believe they would even do that. 

Anyway, they'd just use Invincible Iron Man helmets for the figures and everyone would complain.

They re-released it for the switch and PS4, maybe they want everyone to know their story before introducting them in Bad Batch

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41 minutes ago, BigA_7 said:

They re-released it for the switch and PS4, maybe they want everyone to know their story before introducting them in Bad Batch

After they announced they were re-releasing Clone Commandos, I immediately thought they might be making a sequel or reboot about the Bad Batch! I feel like they're perfect for a game set during the Clone Wars. 

There's some new info about the Bo-Katan figure and the Mandalorian throne set. Bo sounds about how I expected minus the use of dark grey instead of silver or gunmetal but I guess it is a Clone Wars set, not Mandalorian. With the throne set, having a hidden compartment under the throne with a blaster sounds about right and I'm glad to hear a stained glass window is included and that there's a feature to throw a figure through. 

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Just built Scout trooper and Darth Vader helmets one after the other and I gotta say I really like both of them. I liked scout trooper as soon as I saw official pictures but I was unsure about Vader. Luckily, he looks way better in person. As I suspected, the angle of the picture on the box just doesn't portray the set in the best way. 

Scout trooper helmet is almost prefect representation (as a Lego set can be) of the real-life counterpart, while Vader is less so but imo the Scout trooper is the best looking helmet at the moment. Still, Vader is good and the builds of both sets are fun (Vader's uses some really interesting building techniques as well). 

If you are thinking about getting any helmets from the series and don't have any yet, then I strongly advice you to go for the Scout trooper and Vader. Stormtrooper and TIE pilot are also fun (I know cause I have 'em), but they don't look as good as the new helmets. 

The only small gripe I have with the helmet series is the scale - Vader and Scout trooper are a bit smaller in comparison to the Stormtrooper and/or TIE pilot. This is especially true for Vader helmet which would need to be substantially bigger in comparison with the Stormtrooper. Scout trooper is only a bit smaller so the scale "issue" is not that apparent when side-by-side with the Stormie. But overall, great products. Now I'm waiting for non-imperial helmets/heads :excited:

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Heads up for those in the US, my Walmart had the Imperial TIE on sale for $32 (they were sold out, sadly, because I've been looking to get it and that's a great price), plus the ATT is being sold at $32 and 501st Troopers for $24 (the last two I believe aren't a sale but just a reduced price).  I'm not sure if that TIE price is a national sale, but just thought that was worth throwing out there.

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On 5/29/2021 at 4:40 AM, ood0 said:

Why does everyone seem to think Delta Squad has any chance of appearing again? Especially in Bad Batch? Maybe EA will remake the game like they remade Battlefront, but I don't strongly believe they would even do that. 

Anyway, they'd just use Invincible Iron Man helmets for the figures and everyone would complain.

I think they could show up in bad batch (More on that below), but I think it's most likely they'll just show up as player skins in the next battlefront or something (seeing as that's where we got the first clone commando content since their cameo in TCW. I think if they did show up in a set, lego would get new molds as they can use the one mold for all four squad members+ throw a generic white clone commando into literally any clone wars era set, as opposed to, say, wrecker, where it'd never be used for any other character. 

On 5/28/2021 at 9:23 PM, ood0 said:

I don't get people saying those characters were obscure. Am I a bigger DC fan than I thought? The only DC comic I've read is Neil Gaiman's Sandman because Neil Gaiman wrote it, and yet I knew all the characters from just growing up watching Batman: Brave and the Bold, Justice League Unlimited and Teen Titans. I feel like I should mention that I have watched other DC stuff but all characters in the cmf have been spotlighted in those three, except for Green Lantern Simon Baz, who I've heard of but know nothing about (aside from him carrying a gun).

I think the difference is superhero sets are a lot more character-driven than star wars, as the vehicles are a much bigger draw. With superheroes, you've got the Quinjet, bat-vehicles, the Hulkbuster....and that's about it. (Maybe some more minor ones like invisible jet, etc, or the x-jet if they ever get back to x-men.) With star wars, the vehicles are as iconic as the characters. X-wings, TIEs, the Falcon, the Death Star, etc, I'd argue are just as iconic as vader and yoda.

On a separate note, Baz has usurped Stewart as my new favorite green lantern and I am going to go bricklink that figure now. Please tell me there's a panel where a villain brags about being immune to the ring and Baz just pulls out a glock and drops him.

On 5/29/2021 at 3:53 PM, TeddytheSpoon said:

Yeah, based on the interview I don't think there's anything more nefarious at work than 'contract says no'. I think 2022 is one of those that gets thrown around - I feel like 2021 got thrown around a lot about a year ago for the same argument.

NO! Clearly this is part of an anti-prequel agenda to discredit MandR! :laugh:

2022 is when the contract ends (which just means they'll renegotiate, they aren't gonna end the theme), so I guess it's possible.

20 hours ago, BigA_7 said:

They re-released it for the switch and PS4, maybe they want everyone to know their story before introducting them in Bad Batch

I've been speculating for months that they'll be the villains of season 2 or something, since they were in TCW back in season 3 and their chips would have activated, as AFAIK they aren't genetically different from regs.

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16 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

On a separate note, Baz has usurped Stewart as my new favorite green lantern and I am going to go bricklink that figure now. Please tell me there's a panel where a villain brags about being immune to the ring and Baz just pulls out a glock and drops him.

Looked it up, yeah it happened

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Guys, this is the Star Wars forum not the superhero one. Stay on target.

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6 hours ago, Unknown Jedi Master said:

The Bad Batch Attack Shuttle is now available for preorder in Europe at LEGO.com! 

Not in Australia tho... What does LEGO have against us?

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22 minutes ago, BigA_7 said:

Not in Australia tho... What does LEGO have against us?

I don't think LEGO ever does pre-orders in Australia. Their supply line is too messy and uncertain. But, the set will show up and be available once it does. It's no 501st :laugh:

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I messaged LEGO customer service asking why we can’t preorder Star Wars sets here as well as a few other questions. The reply I got ignored all my questions except the preorder one and they basically told me “if you want to preorder something preorder the Luigi starter course.”

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5 minutes ago, Brikkyy13 said:

I messaged LEGO customer service asking why we can’t preorder Star Wars sets here as well as a few other questions. The reply I got ignored all my questions except the preorder one and they basically told me “if you want to preorder something preorder the Luigi starter course.”

They should be politicians, deflect and avoid.

We're not asking for special treatment just equal.  

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Really cant tell from those Vader Meditation Pictures, does he has arm printing? I know people have been hoping after the bespin duel fun.

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Meditation Chamber looks amazing for the scale! Hope it won't have any major availability issues; I hope to pick this up day 1.

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I love that the Meditation Chamber includes the viewscreen with Admirals Ozzel and Piett. It reminds me of the hologram of Sidious in the original Star Destroyer set back in 2006 or whenever that was.

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The Meditation Chamber looks incredible! Definitely picking this up as soon as it comes out.

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48 minutes ago, Frizzlefry25 said:

Really cant tell from those Vader Meditation Pictures, does he has arm printing? I know people have been hoping after the bespin duel fun.

Yeah, it's hard to tell, but I think I see the shoulder pad printing on the top of the arms. Also, it looks like there's no stormtrooper either. Besides the overall build, the screen and new Piett are the highlights for me :grin:

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Meditation chamber is really pretty until you get to the top panels and the studs kinda throw it off. Eh. Wasn’t gonna buy it but it’s pretty. 

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Meditation chamber looks very nice. Vader does have arm printing again according to Landino, which makes sense given it's in the same vein as the Bespin set from last year. 70 bucks seems steep though.

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2 minutes ago, TeddytheSpoon said:

Meditation chamber looks very nice. Vader does have arm printing again according to Landino, which makes sense given it's in the same vein as the Bespin set from last year. 70 bucks seems steep though.

I don't completely disagree, but in fairness $70 for 663 pieces isn't a bad PPP at all, even if most of the pieces are small.

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Wow, people like this? It's looks to me like a black blob with a flimsy crane, not the display piece it's supposed to be at all. And yeah it has a lot of pieces for what it is, but they don't amount to much.

Does it even have the ability to grab Vader's helmet off him, and put it on him again like has been done once or twice before?

If this had the ability to put Vader's helmet on him and spin him around when opening it, it would be cool. That wouldn't even be difficult to achieve with some string rigged up to the eyesore crane arm. Without any function at all, and as a blob of a display piece, what the heck.

Maybe it will look better in the hands of real people and not in promo shots.

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9 minutes ago, Clone OPatra said:

Wow, people like this? It's looks to me like a black blob with a flimsy crane, not the display piece it's supposed to be at all. And yeah it has a lot of pieces for what it is, but they don't amount to much.

Agreed. $US70 will be $Au150 and half of the pieces are the base. 75183 Vader transformation is a much better set. The chamber itself is not too bad as a set but not at that price and 18+.

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