LEGO Star Wars 2021 Set Discussion - READ FIRST POST!!!

[Mandalorianknight]

23 minutes ago, wesker said:

It would also make amassing armies a lot harder as the blister packs are normally exclusive to Lego stores. Plus the moment they include desirable figures like Clone Troopers you can guarantee the scalpers will be hoarding up all the sets before anyone else has a change of scoring a copy.

Something tells me that if the new battle packs are blister packs, they would no longer be exclusive to lego stores. 

4 hours ago, Sarah_H7744 said:

I hope this is the case, as it would make amassing armies cheaper.

I think they're the same price as battle packs, unfortunately.

[Bobbtom]

Non-licensed ones are usually $12, but ones like harry potter are $15. Star wars will almost certainly be $15 as well, to capitalize on the desirability. I'm not holding my breath though; I wouldnt' be surprised if one of the blister packs as R2-d2, luke, old obi wan and c-3po

[Brikkyy13]

7 hours ago, Frizzlefry25 said:

I am a fan of the sabers, but not how they have been distributed. The first was limited and gone in minutes, and a second comes with a $800 purchase? And won't be hanging around like the sailboat I am sure!

This should be a series like the helmets.

I agree. Fans have been asking for buildable sabers for so long and now that we’ve got them they’re stuck as GWPs. At least the pieces they use are common, but still there’s the display plaque and the packaging. 

[Bobbtom]

8 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

......TLDR we do get some frequent prequel remakes, they're just weird choices?....

I think it's important to note that the iconic OT vehicles that are constantly re-released are a substantial number of vehicles and sets at various price points whereas the repeating PT sets while frequent are seemingly a small handful in comparison. This is especially glaring when you take into account unique OT sets like the carbonite chamber, hoth medical room, kenobi's hut etc. It's also important to keep in mind that it took an entire new TV show and no other major SW media to get a venator, arc-170, and other much requested sets and figures. With TCW season 7 ending over a year ago the chance is over; I just dont see many PT sets coming back (besides the usual anakin's fighter, at-ap, at-rt, and the occasional gunship etc) anytime soon if at all. I would not be surprised at all if we never see captain rex again until he appears as a major character in some media.

From the preliminary sets for 2022 being leaked, it seems that lego is going to focus on one OT movie at a time for waves, which will take a while if they intend to do thematic waves for all three movies. By the time that's done there likely will be new SW movies that will once again take the spotlight for sets. In addition, the upcoming TV series will likely involve largely non PT locations and vehicles, further decreasing the chances of pt remakes

That being said, from the point of a fan, lego overall has blown it out of the water as a general product. There are so many excellent high-priced $100+ sets coming out than ever before that just disappear off shelves. I'm willing to bet that the market can handle both a system AT-TE and imperial star destroyer being out at the same time, but  we'll have to see

Edited September 19, 2021 by Bobbtom

[Sarah_H7744]

6 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

7 hours ago, wesker said:

It would also make amassing armies a lot harder as the blister packs are normally exclusive to Lego stores. Plus the moment they include desirable figures like Clone Troopers you can guarantee the scalpers will be hoarding up all the sets before anyone else has a change of scoring a copy.

Something tells me that if the new battle packs are blister packs, they would no longer be exclusive to lego stores. 

I hope they are not exclusives, that would be terrible!

6 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

I think they're the same price as battle packs, unfortunately.

 That is unfortunate.

[TeddytheSpoon]

3 hours ago, Bobbtom said:

I think it's important to note that the iconic OT vehicles that are constantly re-released are a substantial number of vehicles and sets at various price points whereas the repeating PT sets while frequent are seemingly a small handful in comparison. This is especially glaring when you take into account unique OT sets like the carbonite chamber, hoth medical room, kenobi's hut etc. It's also important to keep in mind that it took an entire new TV show and no other major SW media to get a venator, arc-170, and other much requested sets and figures. With TCW season 7 ending over a year ago the chance is over; I just dont see many PT sets coming back (besides the usual anakin's fighter, at-ap, at-rt, and the occasional gunship etc) anytime soon if at all. I would not be surprised at all if we never see captain rex again until he appears as a major character in some media.

The first ARC-170 came out after RotS, so that is a set that's been remade once. 

3 hours ago, Bobbtom said:

That being said, from the point of a fan, lego overall has blown it out of the water as a general product. There are so many excellent high-priced $100+ sets coming out than ever before that just disappear off shelves. I'm willing to bet that the market can handle both a system AT-TE and imperial star destroyer being out at the same time, but  we'll have to see

I agree, I think the issue is the production capacity on LEGO's end. With the 4+ and 18+ sets becoming a regular thing (and seemingly more prevalent for one-off things, as far as 18+ goes), there's less capacity for system-scale sets, especially bigger ones. Thinking about it I wonder if that was part of the justification for moving back to smaller X-wings and TIEs...

[MaximillianRebo]

Personally I hope the rumoured character packs aren't for army building. There's already battle packs for that - hopefully more than one on the way. I'd like to see a way of getting figs that aren't factional soldiers, say Prequel Jedi, Cantina aliens, secondary characters. Not trying to wishlist, just hoping for something that isn't battle packs mk 2.

[necrochasm]

14 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Then add in that for the past 6 years many of those spots were used on tie ins for new films that then create more vehicles necessitating more large system sets... and we've got quite a problem. It's sort of three-pronged: star wars needs new content to stay relevant, and those new designs require new sets

Which ended up creating the illusion that the OT is more represented due to borrowed elements. The X-Wings, TIEs and Falcons just blur together after a while.

OT isn’t as over represented as it seems like honestly. Prequels still definitely took the hardest hit tho

Edited September 19, 2021 by necrochasm

[wesker]

29 minutes ago, MaximillianRebo said:

Personally I hope the rumoured character packs aren't for army building. There's already battle packs for that - hopefully more than one on the way. I'd like to see a way of getting figs that aren't factional soldiers, say Prequel Jedi, Cantina aliens, secondary characters. Not trying to wishlist, just hoping for something that isn't battle packs mk 2.

I imagine they won't be any different from the blister packs for Marvel, DC and Harry Potter. Major characters recycled from existing sets with a unique character or two thrown in. Just for example:

A Mandalorian Pack would feature the same old Mando, Grogu and IG-11 figures but also come with an exclusive Kuiil.
A Cantina Pack would feature the same Han and Greedo figures but also include an exclusive BoShek.
A Bad Batch Pack would feature the same Hunter and Wrecker figures but also include an exclusive Omega.

One downside is that they don't normally create new molds for these packs. Reprints of existing ones sure, but I wouldn't hold out for any Kaminoans showing up.

[BrickBob Studpants]

3 minutes ago, wesker said:

I imagine they won't be any different from the blister packs for Marvel, DC and Harry Potter. Major characters recycled from existing sets with a unique character or two thrown in.

Exactly. It’d be pretty pointless to bring back the BPs and then immediately undermine them by including troopers in accessory packs as well 

Based on how these packs usually go, 2 new prints is what can be expected. In other themes, this may translate to two new minifigs (e.g. a new torso print for one minifig and an exclusive face print for the other), but in SW, both prints going to the same minifig is far more likely I think, as torso and face prints can’t be used for other characters that easily 

Or can you think of two desirable new minifigs that only require one new print each?

[Archer]

10 minutes ago, BrickBob Studpants said:

Exactly. It’d be pretty pointless to bring back the BPs and then immediately undermine them by including troopers in accessory packs as well 

Based on how these packs usually go, 2 new prints is what can be expected. In other themes, this may translate to two new minifigs (e.g. a new torso print for one minifig and an exclusive face print for the other), but in SW, both prints going to the same minifig is far more likely I think, as torso and face prints can’t be used for other characters that easily 

Or can you think of two desirable new minifigs that only require one new print each?

I think there are a few niche options, medical gown Luke, any Padme that only requires a torso. Etc..

[Thebrickstandard]

Are we fully sure yet Luke's lightsaber is a GWP for the AT AT? I have a few UCS sets but that AT AT price range is well out of my comfort zone. If so then I'll probably pay top dollar for the lightsaber through the second hand market.

[Mandalorianknight]

11 hours ago, Bobbtom said:

I think it's important to note that the iconic OT vehicles that are constantly re-released are a substantial number of vehicles and sets at various price points whereas the repeating PT sets while frequent are seemingly a small handful in comparison. This is especially glaring when you take into account unique OT sets like the carbonite chamber, hoth medical room, kenobi's hut etc. It's also important to keep in mind that it took an entire new TV show and no other major SW media to get a venator, arc-170, and other much requested sets and figures. With TCW season 7 ending over a year ago the chance is over; I just dont see many PT sets coming back (besides the usual anakin's fighter, at-ap, at-rt, and the occasional gunship etc) anytime soon if at all. I would not be surprised at all if we never see captain rex again until he appears as a major character in some media.

Well, not exactly. First off, if we're talking about the clone wars, it DOMINATED release-wise for years, because, like you said, there was no other media at that point. I don't think the examples you specifically chose are great, as the venator had been around for what, 3-4 years at that point? and the ARC-170 had been released beforehand. And really, especially in recent years we have gotten a fair amount of prequel era sets.

12 minutes ago, Thebrickstandard said:

Are we fully sure yet Luke's lightsaber is a GWP for the AT AT? I have a few UCS sets but that AT AT price range is well out of my comfort zone. If so then I'll probably pay top dollar for the lightsaber through the second hand market.

I'm pretty sure it is, but luckily aside from the plaque and packaging it'll be easy to replicate for cheap.

[Kdapt-Preacher]

Instead of spending pages arguing opinions about this, why don't we argue about the actual numbers?

Looking just at regular system sets, BrickLink shows 181 OT, 121 Prequel, 49 Sequel, and 74 TCW. There's a little bit of fuzziness with those numbers, since they include some polybag figures and miscellaneous other stuff that probably shouldn't count for these purposes, but they're good enough to save the work of going through every set manually. LEGO has been releasing SW sets for 22 years, but only the OT and TPM have been out that long; the average Prequel movie has been getting sets for 19 years, the average ST movie for 4 years, and TCW for 13 years. That works out to 8.2 sets/year for the OT, 6.4 sets/year for the Prequels, 12.3 sets/year for the Sequels, and 5.7 sets/year for TCW.

So from the raw numbers, it looks like the OT gets more coverage than the PT but not by that much, while the ST is seriously overrepresented and TCW gets the shaft. But of course that's not the whole story, since set distributions don't remain even approximately stable over time. Movies are always (obviously) disproportionately covered when they come out and then get far fewer sets in later years--for example, more than half (25/49) of all TPM sets ever are from the first three years after the movie premiered. Furthermore, the total number of sets released has increased significantly over time, from a low of 12 sets in 2001 to a high of 67 in 2018, meaning that movies that got their premier bumps earlier got fewer total sets than newer ones. As a result, the better metric is the average fraction of total sets allocated to each era during the years that that era has been out. For that, we get: OT 44%, PT 30%, ST 35%, TCW 25%. (Those numbers don't sum to 100% because TCW and the ST aren't averaged over the whole time period--if we included the 0s for the years before those eras premiered, it would add up, but that wouldn't be very useful data).

That shows the OT consistently overrepresented, the ST doing a bit better than the PT, and TCW getting the shaft again. Now, the ST is still higher because it hasn't had the 'tail' yet; most of the years we're counting here are still the premier bump period, so we should expect that to even out over time as the rate of new ST sets in the next couple of years will be much lower than it was while the movies were coming out. To clarify that a bit, we should break the graph out into sections: the period from 1999-2007 when it was just OT and PT, the period from 2008-2014 when TCW was introduced, and the period from 2015-present when the ST was introduced. Conveniently, that separates the total period almost exactly into thirds.

1999-2007: OT 55%, PT 45%. More OT than PT sets, but pretty even split. Probably works out to even if you control for the fact that not all the PT movies were out the whole time, but I'm not going to try to.
2008-2014: OT 32%, PT 24%, TCW 43%. As remarked in this argument already, TCW dominated the era when there wasn't any other new content coming out. But the big news is:
2015-2021: OT 42%, PT 18%, ST 35%, TCW 6%. This is the major takeaway from this graph, in my opinion. The influx of ST sets almost entirely replaced PT and TCW sets, while the rate of OT sets remained roughly constant. That, in my opinion at least, definitely is grossly disproportionate enough to justify people getting up in arms about it. PT and TCW combined don't even make up 25% of sets for the last seven years. That may not hurt too much for people who've been collecting for decades, but for anybody who likes those eras who's just getting into LEGO or coming back after a long break, it's a pretty rough spread.

Of course, this doesn't take into account the fact that TCW and PT sets can often double for each other, or that there's a fair bit of overlap between OT and ST sets as well (yes, yes, they're different, but one X-wing or Falcon is much like another for many purposes). That's a matter of personal opinion for whether you'd want to count some sets as both PT and TCW or whatever, so you can shift these numbers around a bit if you like to compensate for that. But the point is that, even combined, the PT and TCW definitely are seriously underrepresented compared to other eras. And that's without even touching the PT UCS question.

 

 

Edited September 19, 2021 by Kdapt-Preacher

[Bobbtom]

Thanks for the data analysis. That is a really good write-up. This is actually worse for the PT and TCW then I thought. Considering 2022's wave so far, it looks bleak.

I mentioned the ventaor and arc-170 specifically in the context of their general appearance, irregardless of whether it was a remake or an initial appearance. The point was that it took an entire movie series and a major show to be the main SW media at the time to have either of those sets in production. Now that TCW is over for over a year and BB only going further into the imperial era the chances of those PT/TCW sets appearing are slimming every day

[The Stud]

2 minutes ago, Bobbtom said:

Thanks for the data analysis. That is a really good write-up. This is actually worse for the PT and TCW then I thought. Considering 2022's wave so far, it looks bleak.

I mentioned the ventaor and arc-170 specifically in the context of their general appearance, irregardless of whether it was a remake or an initial appearance. The point was that it took an entire movie series and a major show to be the main SW media at the time to have either of those sets in production. Now that TCW is over for over a year and BB only going further into the imperial era the chances of those PT/TCW sets appearing are slimming every day

I’m actually feeling somewhat optimistic about the future of Clone Wars sets. The two sets they came out with last summer were really popular at the start and both of the sets they came out with this summer seem to be doing really well (more so the Mandalorian Fighter but still.) There’s an entire wellspring of set potential in that show/era and I think Lego recognizes that by now. I think hoping for an entire wave full of Clone Wars sets is pretty unrealistic nowadays but I could see them continue doing a few desirable Clone Wars sets each year. 
 

The only thing potentially getting in the way of this is the several other shows we have coming out on Disney+ in the next few years. It depends if Lego follows the same approach as Mando and Bad Batch where they only do one set at first.

[Samppu]

On 9/17/2021 at 3:36 PM, Archer said:

As was mentioned above, even if he isn’t doing it as a secret message of which sets are coming, it is simply beneficial to have new videos of the older versions of upcoming sets to get views from people looking to see what lego did before on those subjects. He know how to use the YouTube algorithm to make that cheddar. 

True.

[Mandalorianknight]

2 hours ago, Kdapt-Preacher said:

1999-2007: OT 55%, PT 45%. More OT than PT sets, but pretty even split. Probably works out to even if you control for the fact that not all the PT movies were out the whole time, but I'm not going to try to.
2008-2014: OT 32%, PT 24%, TCW 43%. As remarked in this argument already, TCW dominated the era when there wasn't any other new content coming out. But the big news is:
2015-2021: OT 42%, PT 18%, ST 35%, TCW 6%. This is the major takeaway from this graph, in my opinion. The influx of ST sets almost entirely replaced PT and TCW sets, while the rate of OT sets remained roughly constant. That, in my opinion at least, definitely is grossly disproportionate enough to justify people getting up in arms about it. PT and TCW combined don't even make up 25% of sets for the last seven years. That may not hurt too much for people who've been collecting for decades, but for anybody who likes those eras who's just getting into LEGO or coming back after a long break, it's a pretty rough spread.

Thank you for finding all the stats, though I think some of your conclusions aren't correct, and a bit of the way you distribute them is slightly askew (why are RO, solo, and Mando OT, but clone wars is it's own thing?) Namely, if you look at the distribution, we got massive prequel waves in 2013 and 2014, and the literal wave after the new films stop, we suddenly start getting a much more even amount of sets for each era. During the flux of new films, since about half their sets went to the new ones (And it's important to remember that two of the new films we got are classified under OT.), so with the remaining spots they took the safest possible bets in case the new films didn't do well. I might come back and crunch the numbers for it in a few hours, but I suspect if you pull out all new films and series from 2015-2019, classic OT sets aren't all that far off number-wise from classic prequel sets.

If anything, the major takeaways from the data are that lego leans heavily into new films, and that in "off-season" between them we tend to get a more balanced mix of eras.

2 hours ago, Kdapt-Preacher said:

And that's without even touching the PT UCS question.

I think the reasons for that are drastically different than those for the system sets, though. Adult collectors are the basis there, and they HATED the prequels (and clone wars, hellogreedo has a great video where he just goes back and shows all the hate the clone wars got in it's early days), so there was no money in prequel UCS. The gunship vote was a test to see if prequel UCS could sell, and if the gunship's selling well, maybe we'll get more prequel UCS.

1 hour ago, The Stud said:

I’m actually feeling somewhat optimistic about the future of Clone Wars sets. The two sets they came out with last summer were really popular at the start and both of the sets they came out with this summer seem to be doing really well (more so the Mandalorian Fighter but still.) There’s an entire wellspring of set potential in that show/era and I think Lego recognizes that by now. I think hoping for an entire wave full of Clone Wars sets is pretty unrealistic nowadays but I could see them continue doing a few desirable Clone Wars sets each year. 
 

The only thing potentially getting in the way of this is the several other shows we have coming out on Disney+ in the next few years. It depends if Lego follows the same approach as Mando and Bad Batch where they only do one set at first.

I agree, though more about clone trooper/Mandalorian sets than strictly clone wars. Lego is starting to see the demand for these characters, not just from some grown adults online, but from actual sales figures, so I think we'll be seeing them more frequently.

With the shows, lego got super cautious about them after the clone wars series ended and their mishandling of the rebels sets led to poor sales. I've gone over it before, but they also mishandled resistance, what with not releasing the MAIN HERO SHIP (I haven't seen much of the show, but the fireball was the most prevalent in the marketing and definately a nice design), which further reinforced the idea that animated series sets wouldn't sell well. Obviously that led to only the one mando set, which along with the baby yoda situation emblematic of 1977 star wars merch, was quickly resolved with a solid amount of sets, but it's status as not only live-action, but baby yoda's show assumedly is part of what kept them cautious about bad batch. The shuttle appeared to do well, so my guess is we'll get more sets in summer 2022 with season two, as while well-liked I'm not sure bad batch was popular enough to get sets 6 months between seasons when they could just wait until season 2 premieres and have sets out to ride the hype there. My guess is BoBf, due to it's mandalorian connections, will start with a couple sets, then have a mandalorian-like distribution after. Obi-wan and andor will probably get one set, if any, especially considering the tone of andor.

[Kdapt-Preacher]

24 minutes ago, Mandalorianknight said:

Thank you for finding all the stats, though I think some of your conclusions aren't correct, and a bit of the way you distribute them is slightly askew (why are RO, solo, and Mando OT, but clone wars is it's own thing?) Namely, if you look at the distribution, we got massive prequel waves in 2013 and 2014, and the literal wave after the new films stop, we suddenly start getting a much more even amount of sets for each era. During the flux of new films, since about half their sets went to the new ones (And it's important to remember that two of the new films we got are classified under OT.), so with the remaining spots they took the safest possible bets in case the new films didn't do well. I might come back and crunch the numbers for it in a few hours, but I suspect if you pull out all new films and series from 2015-2019, classic OT sets aren't all that far off number-wise from classic prequel sets.

If anything, the major takeaways from the data are that lego leans heavily into new films, and that in "off-season" between them we tend to get a more balanced mix of eras.

Oh, I can see how my post might have been unclear. All these numbers are only looking at sets for the nine numbered films and TCW. RO, Solo, Rebels, Mando, and the various smaller sub-themes aren't included in this data at all. If you included the other OT-era subthemes in the OT count it would be another 67 sets since 2014, skewing the distribution even further in that direction. In fairness, if you did that you should also count Yoda Chronicles, Bad Batch, and a couple other miscellaneous sets towards TCW, adding 10 to that count as well, but that doesn't remotely make up the difference.

[Bobbtom]

He mentions that even if you combine TCW and PT, the numbers don't look good. As for RO, solo, and mandalorian, many of the sets are simply OT sets (e.g AT-ST, light crusier), include OT figures or aesthetically/thematically OT themed. OT vehicles have enjoyed having their main variants re-released while also getting complimentary variants. An example would be the tie-striker, while a RO vehicle is aesthetically fits in with the OT tie fighters. For the PT it would be the  OT lamda class shuttle compared to the nu-class shuttle, or the republic y wing versus the rebels y wing. The PT variants appeared one time over 10 years ago and havent showed up since

 

8 minutes ago, Kdapt-Preacher said:

Oh, I can see how my post might have been unclear. All these numbers are only looking at sets for the nine numbered films and TCW. RO, Solo, Rebels, Mando, and the various smaller sub-themes aren't included in this data at all. If you included the other OT-era subthemes in the OT count it would be another 67 sets since 2014, skewing the distribution even further in that direction. In fairness, if you did that you should also count Yoda Chronicles, Bad Batch, and a couple other miscellaneous sets towards TCW, adding 10 to that count as well, but that doesn't remotely make up the difference.

Yikes, so the RO AT-ST and y-wing doesn't count as  OT vehicles in the dataset?

Edited September 19, 2021 by Bobbtom

[Kdapt-Preacher]

27 minutes ago, Bobbtom said:

Yikes, so the RO AT-ST and y-wing doesn't count as  OT vehicles in the dataset?

Correct. And neither do the Rebel and Imperial battle packs that are technically based on SW:Battlefront, or the TIE fighter sets with Legends vehicles, or Darth Vader’s Castle, and so forth. Only the ones that are specifically for the three OT movies. 

[kidtheboss611]

3 hours ago, Mandalorianknight said:

 Well, not exactly. First off, if we're talking about the clone wars, it DOMINATED release-wise for years, because, like you said, there was no other media at that point. I don't think the examples you specifically chose are great, as the venator had been around for what, 3-4 years at that point? and the ARC-170 had been released beforehand. And really, especially in recent years we have gotten a fair amount of prequel era sets.

You're right about the CW dominating for a stretch but ever since TFA, outside of movie releases, the sets have been overwhelmingly OT compared to PT. X-Wings and Tie fighters are iconic so they're a given/must but we've had more variations on Luke's Landspeeder than the MTT, ARC-170, Venator, V-Wing, CW Y-Wing, Turbo Tank, AT-TE, and Gunship. That's dumbfounding if you actually think about it. I know the land speeder has about 5-10 minutes of screentime in ANH and the republic ships only have 2-3 minutes each but it's still ridiculous given the circumstance. We're not asking for one every few years but maybe do one every 5 instead of every 8 years. 

Now on top of that the Landspeeder is getting a UCS set before all of those PT ships which is the ultimate meme. I really hope the Landspeeder looks good and is done well cause I like collecting all the UCS models but that doesn't change the fact that the over saturation of OT sets over the last 5-6 years is dumb. Also the Venator might have only been 3-4 years old back then but it isn't now. It has possibly the most screentime of any PT ship, save the Gunship, across all media making it a prime candidate for a UCS version. 

Anyways, I hope the new wave isn't entirely Hoth and if it is I hope we get Home 1 or one of the Rebel Cruiser type ships. We've never got one of those before so that'd be nice addition. 

3 hours ago, Kdapt-Preacher said:

Instead of spending pages arguing opinions about this, why don't we argue about the actual numbers?

Looking just at regular system sets, BrickLink shows 181 OT, 121 Prequel, 49 Sequel, and 74 TCW. There's a little bit of fuzziness with those numbers, since they include some polybag figures and miscellaneous other stuff that probably shouldn't count for these purposes, but they're good enough to save the work of going through every set manually. LEGO has been releasing SW sets for 22 years, but only the OT and TPM have been out that long; the average Prequel movie has been getting sets for 19 years, the average ST movie for 4 years, and TCW for 13 years. That works out to 8.2 sets/year for the OT, 6.4 sets/year for the Prequels, 12.3 sets/year for the Sequels, and 5.7 sets/year for TCW.

 So from the raw numbers, it looks like the OT gets more coverage than the PT but not by that much, while the ST is seriously overrepresented and TCW gets the shaft. But of course that's not the whole story, since set distributions don't remain even approximately stable over time. Movies are always (obviously) disproportionately covered when they come out and then get far fewer sets in later years--for example, more than half (25/49) of all TPM sets ever are from the first three years after the movie premiered. Furthermore, the total number of sets released has increased significantly over time, from a low of 12 sets in 2001 to a high of 67 in 2018, meaning that movies that got their premier bumps earlier got fewer total sets than newer ones. As a result, the better metric is the average fraction of total sets allocated to each era during the years that that era has been out. For that, we get: OT 44%, PT 30%, ST 35%, TCW 25%. (Those numbers don't sum to 100% because TCW and the ST aren't averaged over the whole time period--if we included the 0s for the years before those eras premiered, it would add up, but that wouldn't be very useful data).

That shows the OT consistently overrepresented, the ST doing a bit better than the PT, and TCW getting the shaft again. Now, the ST is still higher because it hasn't had the 'tail' yet; most of the years we're counting here are still the premier bump period, so we should expect that to even out over time as the rate of new ST sets in the next couple of years will be much lower than it was while the movies were coming out. To clarify that a bit, we should break the graph out into sections: the period from 1999-2007 when it was just OT and PT, the period from 2008-2014 when TCW was introduced, and the period from 2015-present when the ST was introduced. Conveniently, that separates the total period almost exactly into thirds.

 1999-2007: OT 55%, PT 45%. More OT than PT sets, but pretty even split. Probably works out to even if you control for the fact that not all the PT movies were out the whole time, but I'm not going to try to.
2008-2014: OT 32%, PT 24%, TCW 43%. As remarked in this argument already, TCW dominated the era when there wasn't any other new content coming out. But the big news is:
2015-2021: OT 42%, PT 18%, ST 35%, TCW 6%. This is the major takeaway from this graph, in my opinion. The influx of ST sets almost entirely replaced PT and TCW sets, while the rate of OT sets remained roughly constant. That, in my opinion at least, definitely is grossly disproportionate enough to justify people getting up in arms about it. PT and TCW combined don't even make up 25% of sets for the last seven years. That may not hurt too much for people who've been collecting for decades, but for anybody who likes those eras who's just getting into LEGO or coming back after a long break, it's a pretty rough spread.

 Of course, this doesn't take into account the fact that TCW and PT sets can often double for each other, or that there's a fair bit of overlap between OT and ST sets as well (yes, yes, they're different, but one X-wing or Falcon is much like another for many purposes). That's a matter of personal opinion for whether you'd want to count some sets as both PT and TCW or whatever, so you can shift these numbers around a bit if you like to compensate for that. But the point is that, even combined, the PT and TCW definitely are seriously underrepresented compared to other eras. And that's without even touching the PT UCS question.

 

 

I hadn't read this when I posted the earlier bit but I guess the data proves OT is more than over-represented by Lego. 

[Brickroll]

I’m going to go back looking for it through this thread considering how long most of the posts are, but shouldn’t Rebels, Solo, R1 count as prequel era sets? I mean r/prequelmemes counts them as such, and even though of them have very Ot inspired design, it would certainly change the percentage up? Mando would also count as st, but that could certainly change the proportions if you added those, and combining all the pre ANH and post ROTJ properties might outweigh Ot.

[Bobbtom]

No, they take place before the OT, so a literal interpretation would mean they are "PT," but the sets and figures are functionally, aesthetically or literally OT. It is not practical or reasonable to consider the  RO AT-ST as  a PT set. Similarly, it is not reasonable to  consider the stormtrooper in the rogue one y-wing to be a PT figure, that is just ridiculous-even when discounting that the fact that the exact same figure appears in the actual OT sets. A reasonable person is not going to look at the AT-ST on a shelf and say "on I know that, it's from the prequels"

Edited September 19, 2021 by Bobbtom

[PreVizsla]

PT sets 
Episode 1: 34 sets of which 17 were due to movie being released 1999-2002
Episode 2: 18 sets of which 9 were due to movie being released 2002-2003
Episode 3: 41 sets of which 17 were due to movie being released 2005-2007
PT total: 93 sets of which 43 are movie release + 5 UCS sets
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OT sets
Episode 4: 43 sets 
Episode 5: 35 sets
Episode 6: 36 sets
OT total: 114 of which 0 are due to movie release + 5 helmets + 2 master builder series + 28 UCS sets
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There are 11 legends sets: 8 are OT based, 1 is based of force unleashed and 2 are Clone wars based
Clone Wars: 60 sets
Rebels: 13 sets
Resistance: 2 sets
Rogue one: 9 sets
Solo: 8 sets
The Mandalorian: 9 sets
The Old Republic: 4 sets

TLDR: OT has: 157 sets not counting UCS AT-AT and all other rumored sets for next year
            PT has: 98 sets, but 43 were strictly movie releases that were made 1999-2007
*didn't count mini builds, microfighters, figure packs, polybags, magazine stuff, planet series, gwp, comic con....*

Last 2 years:
4 PT sets ( gunship included)
17 OT sets ( UCS AT-AT not included) + 2 comic con sets, 2 gwp and 3 microfighters.
4 PT vs 25 OT and we already have battle pack, AT-ST, helmets and microfighter rumored for OT next year and nothing for PT.