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31 minutes ago, a guy from somewhere said:

Honestly, if strong spider was piloting the mech instead of Sandy I think it would have sold a lot better. An exclusive big fig, plus Mei and MK would have sold this set I think, although personally I prefer the Sandy mech.

Eh, I think Sandy suits the mech itself well. I just wish he'd had another bigfig to square up against. A Strong Spider with brick-built spider legs would have felt more like a worthy foe.

What especially stinks about not getting Strong Spider is that he'd have been a great opportunity to reuse the new bigfig head from the new Thanos. You wouldn't even need to recolor it! He'd just need a new hairpiece mold (that could also potentially be used for characters like Hulk in the future), and possibly a different body (though he could probably get away with just building his legs into the spider base like Spider Queen did last year, which would be cheaper and easier and allow another option for displaying him without the spider legs).

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4 hours ago, Lyichir said:

Eh, I think Sandy suits the mech itself well. I just wish he'd had another bigfig to square up against. A Strong Spider with brick-built spider legs would have felt more like a worthy foe.

Or they could have introduced a new variant of Sandy, for that matter. Not a new mold, that would be way too expensive, but maybe a recolor of the current mold with a different facial expression, could have made the set a little more desirable. 

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2 hours ago, Lego David said:

Or they could have introduced a new variant of Sandy, for that matter. Not a new mold, that would be way too expensive, but maybe a recolor of the current mold with a different facial expression, could have made the set a little more desirable. 

Yeah, I'd kind of hoped for that too after a S2 episode featured him in magenta track pants with white stripes instead of white track pants with black stripes (a change like that would keep his color scheme mostly the same, just rearrange it somewhat). But ultimately I'm more disappointed with the villainous side of the set than the heroic one. After all, at least Mo gets a new print in this one, and the mech itself is a pretty decent-looking build (even if being a bigfig-scaled power loader is the only really new thing it brings to the table).

But even compared to Sandy's speedboat from last year, the narrative aspect of this one feels... off. In that set, having Pigsy in the set captured by the Spider Queen (a new villain at the time) made for a compelling story starter that made the oversized speedboat feel narratively justified, with the conflict coming not so much from the battle but from a "race against time" to get Sandy's friend out of danger. In this one, the pacifistic Sandy is given a huge mech suit... and for what? Two villains from previous sets who Sandy could probably fight off bare-handed if he had to? There's not really a compelling motivation for the conflict, and the result is a product that feels oddly incomplete.

A bigfig-scaled foe for Sandy to face wouldn't be the ONLY way to resolve that—a more formidable mech or vehicle for the bad guys or some additional characters and set dressing that could add a non-combat angle to the conflict would also work. I don't know. I suppose I could potentially talk all day about what could have been, without having any real insight into what constraints the set was under or what options were available. But ultimately I guess I'm just talking through why a set that I generally like most of doesn't quite feel as satisfying to me as the other two sets.

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4 hours ago, Lyichir said:

A bigfig-scaled foe for Sandy to face wouldn't be the ONLY way to resolve that—a more formidable mech or vehicle for the bad guys or some additional characters and set dressing that could add a non-combat angle to the conflict would also work. I don't know. I suppose I could potentially talk all day about what could have been, without having any real insight into what constraints the set was under or what options were available. But ultimately I guess I'm just talking through why a set that I generally like most of doesn't quite feel as satisfying to me as the other two sets.

And It  it's not like LEGO has never done sets with more than one bigfig before. You might think including another bigfig to an already expensive set would make the set's price skyrocket... but sets like Hulk Vs Red Hulk included two bigfigs while the price being just slightly higher than this one (50$ it is, right?)

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8 hours ago, Lego David said:

And It  it's not like LEGO has never done sets with more than one bigfig before. You might think including another bigfig to an already expensive set would make the set's price skyrocket... but sets like Hulk Vs Red Hulk included two bigfigs while the price being just slightly higher than this one (50$ it is, right?)

I think Hulk vs. Red Hulk is one of the only examples I can think of, unfortunately (unless you go back to older "bigfigs" like the Castle giant trolls). But yeah, despite how mocked that set sometimes is among Super Heroes builders I feel like it's a really solid idea for a dramatic conflict scenario in a set.

Of course, Hulk vs. Red Hulk got away with it in part because it didn't actually use new molds (using two different Hulk molds from previous sets). Strong Spider would probably require at least a new bigfig-sized hairpiece, if not a new torso. So there's a not insignificant chance that it just wasn't in the cards from the get-go.

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Myself, I think Strong Spider should have been done using a brick-built body (maybe with that big torso they used in Nexo Knights and for Steppenwolf), a normal minifig head, and bigwig arms/hands. Hell, the colours for the arms and hands already exist thanks to Thanos, they only would have needed to make a new print for the face and an uncoloured purple torso part. But we’ll probably never get him at this stage. Oh well. 

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3 hours ago, Lyichir said:

I think Hulk vs. Red Hulk is one of the only examples I can think of, unfortunately (unless you go back to older "bigfigs" like the Castle giant trolls). But yeah, despite how mocked that set sometimes is among Super Heroes builders I feel like it's a really solid idea for a dramatic conflict scenario in a set.

There was also the set 76131 Avengers Compound Battle, which included both the Hulk and Thanos Bigfigs. So I don't think there is any reason to assume LEGO has a problem with putting more than one Bigfig in a single set (perhaps only as long as they are pre-existing Bigfig molds, though). 

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8 minutes ago, Takanuinuva said:

How much is Sandy's Power Loader? Perhaps they couldn't do 2 bigfigs as they had to meet a price point.

$54 USD and £40 UK and $69.99 CAD

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2 hours ago, Lego David said:

There was also the set 76131 Avengers Compound Battle, which included both the Hulk and Thanos Bigfigs. So I don't think there is any reason to assume LEGO has a problem with putting more than one Bigfig in a single set (perhaps only as long as they are pre-existing Bigfig molds, though). 

Another factor (minor though it might be) is that I don't think Lego has EVER made a set that had bigfigs but no standard minifigs. So if that indicates a reluctance, that might be a factor in why we got Huntsman and Syntax as foes in this set.

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1 hour ago, Lyichir said:

Another factor (minor though it might be) is that I don't think Lego has EVER made a set that had bigfigs but no standard minifigs. So if that indicates a reluctance, that might be a factor in why we got Huntsman and Syntax as foes in this set.

I mean, I don't see why you couldn't have two Bigfigs, but also throw in a few extra normal characters in the mix. Like have Sandy, the enemy Bigfig, and maybe two more normal minfig bad guys. If you want, you could also throw in a Monkie Kid minifigure to balance out the heroes and villains more. 

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If I remember right the Hulk vs Red Hulk set was similar in price to the Sandy Mech, so I think the reason they didn't end up making it come with two bigfigs is because a new one was just outside their budget for this wave (or year, I'm not sure how it's divided up). Either way it's a decent set as is but I do feel like it rides a little too hard on the novelty of being a bigfig mech, as opposed to having a lot of interesting characters or features.

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11 hours ago, Ninja_whip said:

Just dropped a review on the Sandy Mech! Hope you all enjoy!!! Thanks!  https://youtu.be/reudWpPf7wA

 

Okay, the spinny staff looks INCREDIBLY satisfying in that video.

A part of me is a little less whelmed by the punchy fist than I thought I'd be, though. I wonder if it'd be more interesting if the rubber band were attached to the back instead of the front (so that instead of springing back into place after a punch, you could pull it back to have the fist shoot forward).

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59 minutes ago, Lyichir said:

Okay, the spinny staff looks INCREDIBLY satisfying in that video.

A part of me is a little less whelmed by the punchy fist than I thought I'd be, though. I wonder if it'd be more interesting if the rubber band were attached to the back instead of the front (so that instead of springing back into place after a punch, you could pull it back to have the fist shoot forward).

Thank you! 

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3 hours ago, Lyichir said:

Okay, the spinny staff looks INCREDIBLY satisfying in that video.

A part of me is a little less whelmed by the punchy fist than I thought I'd be, though. I wonder if it'd be more interesting if the rubber band were attached to the back instead of the front (so that instead of springing back into place after a punch, you could pull it back to have the fist shoot forward).

Might be able to mod it to do that. 

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