Brunojj1's mind-opener - red supercar - free instructions now available for static version

[williamyzfr1]

The chrome wheels detracted from the model for me so I purchased Lego Sian wheels and tyres only to discover they don't fit as the Sian wheel rims have pins.

Remedy was to buy Lego inner hubs with brake discs which works well but they hide the Cada brake calipers.

Anyone else done the same and modified the calipers so they can be seen again?

[Gray Gear]

11 minutes ago, williamyzfr1 said:

only to discover they don't fit as the Sian wheel rims have pins.

What a shocker, really unexpected -_-

13 minutes ago, williamyzfr1 said:

Anyone else done the same and modified the calipers so they can be seen again?

Just copy-paste the Chiron brakes

[LvdH]

This was my solution for adding brake callipers using the rotor hubs:

[williamyzfr1]

21 hours ago, LvdH said:

This was my solution for adding brake callipers using the rotor hubs:

Thank you.

Edited July 31, 2021 by Milan
Do not quote videos or images from the same page, please.

[astyanax]

@brunojj1 Here's a little trick you might be interested in... I was admiring your model this evening and realized that I had left only one pair of the Bionicle teeth free to rotate: those right in front of the front wheels. I thought these were impossible to fix, but now I found a way after all:

This is the #13/14 panel in front of the front wheels. The trick is to use instead of the axle-pin, then push in as shown. Now the tooth will be blocked at exactly the right angle!

Note that the new 2L bar with center stop must be used instead of e.g. a 3L bar -- the latter would stick out and collide with the in front of the wheel.

[astyanax]

Edit: you can do without  if you replace  and  by and .

Edited September 2, 2021 by astyanax

[brunojj1]

22 hours ago, astyanax said:

 

Again a nice custom solution from you along with all the other countless creative mods you have done to please us  ! Considering how many bionicle teeth have been used to cover the many gaps you can say it´s a clean solution to keep the "Technic" look. In general I try to keep it consistent, not use blocky bulky system parts all over the place. My original design was held on better axle pins  than those in black we were having in the first wave of sets.

Is your car anytime done yet so it can finally collect dust on it (retoric q )?

Edited September 3, 2021 by brunojj1

[langko]

So just saw that this will also be officially released in yellow as well. (There's a video on Cada youtube channel).

I must say its pretty cool and appealing to have a model released in multiple colours. It definitely makes it more interesting. 

 

 

[astyanax]

1 hour ago, langko said:

So just saw that this will also be officially released in yellow as well. (There's a video on Cada youtube channel).

I must say its pretty cool and appealing to have a model released in multiple colours. It definitely makes it more interesting. 

Great to see they even included a speed build!

But... it gave me a big laugh... Because they even recolored some of the taillights to yellow! 

Spoiler

 

(I'm talking about those red stripes above the exhausts)

 

 

Edited September 22, 2021 by astyanax
photo to spoiler

[LvdH]

Yellow looks sweet. It kind of makes me wonder why they never made the black and yellow Centenario. That would have sold like hot cakes. Anyway, I’m happy with my red 488 Pista 

[thekoRngear]

They are improving n' getting smarter in the right direction but, no new 1:8 big cars this year? 

[LvdH]

4 minutes ago, thekoRngear said:

They are improving n' getting smarter in the right direction but, no new 1:8 big cars this year? 

Stay tuned  

 

 Coming November, I believe.  

[thekoRngear]

Thnx! So many MK sets this year compared to Cada (of course quality and conscience matter). Last year it was 2 big bad boys from Cada. This year it should happen again

[brunojj1]

8 hours ago, astyanax said:

But... it gave me a big laugh... Because they even recolored some of the taillights to yellow! 

Yeah, me too  ! They didn´t ask / inform me, nor did they imply my easy fixes.  However many other minor fixes regarding parts and instructions quality can be confirmed. Waiting for my 2 free samples so I can make somebody happy on Christmas day again .

6 hours ago, thekoRngear said:

Thnx! So many MK sets this year compared to Cada (of course quality and conscience matter). Last year it was 2 big bad boys from Cada. This year it should happen again

6 hours ago, LvdH said:

Stay tuned  

 Coming November, I believe.  

We can only hope so! You should pay attention to the CaDA live streams featured by Martin, starting soon on a regular basis with all the good news!

Edited September 22, 2021 by brunojj1

[langko]

11 hours ago, astyanax said:

But... it gave me a big laugh... Because they even recolored some of the taillights to yellow! 

I must admit I didn't pay much attention, but now that you point that out  

I guess it is just a generic italian inspired super car though, so who are we to say whats rights and wrong 

2 hours ago, brunojj1 said:

Yeah, me too  ! They didn´t ask / inform me, nor did they imply my easy fixes.  However many other minor fixes regarding parts and instructions quality can be confirmed. Waiting for my 2 free samples so I can make somebody happy on Christmas day again .

Wow, seems a bit odd that they didn't talk to you about it... But glad to hear you get some free copies of it. You've earned it 

[andrzejl]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:57 PM, thekoRngear said:

Thnx! So many MK sets this year compared to Cada (of course quality and conscience matter). Last year it was 2 big bad boys from Cada. This year it should happen again

Well, Humvee is also 1:8 and it seems to be huge

 

[thekoRngear]

2 hours ago, andrzejl said:

Well, Humvee is also 1:8 and it seems to be huge

 

Yupe, that thing is huge. I am looking forward to the live stream centering around it. Looks like it is (almost) time I got pumped up for upcoming Cada bad boys. I am sorry Brunojj1 for kinda hijacking your car thread. It seems this one single thread is just not enough to discuss everything Cada 

[brunojj1]

10 minutes ago, thekoRngear said:

I am sorry Brunojj1 for kinda hijacking your car thread. It seems this one single thread is just not enough to discuss everything Cada 

Oh please, I don´t mind at all and I think the OP doesn´t either. As long as the moderators don´t intervene, IMO it´s apreciated by everybody (except those "being offended by the fact it´s not Lego"). And I really would like to know who´s the creator of this super cool Humvee (wish it was @Sariel  ).

Edited September 23, 2021 by brunojj1

[amorti]

Seen this @brunojj1?

Lego just gets more and more unsympathetic, with how they act against their competition.

It's not just about that model or sets with that part.. if you have a MOC on rebrickable using the orange gear selector (in a gearbox), you're probably infringing on a patent.

[brunojj1]

It´s a very entertaining episode again, isn´t it!

Edited January 14, 2023 by brunojj1

[astyanax]

17 minutes ago, brunojj1 said:

It´s a very entertaining episode again, isn´t it! No matter what - it´s great to be part of this community where we can discuss everything in all openness, honesty and respect. I´m proud with the big impact I could achieve with this modell - thanks God, thanks LEGO, thanks Johny´s World, Held der Steine and especially all you guys and girls! The journey will continue, hopefully in a peaceful competition and coexistence. If somebody is interested in a modern cancel culture war, I have no time for that. There is so much more to discover in the future, so many ideas hovering in my mind, projects on my workbench - so let´s move on with playing and having fun!

This. Stay positive, have fun. Be fun!

[mav2010]

Hi everyone,

I am experimenting with a 4x CaDa L Motor setup in the Pista at the moment. Since I am still learning about gearboxes and gear ratios, I would like to check if my understanding is correct.

I have set up the motors based on Brunos suggestion on page 11:

Do I read this setup correctly, that only the green gears in the picture result in a 1:1.667 (20/12) ratio? (1 turn of the 12 gear at the motor --> 0.6 turns of the 20 helper gear --> 1 turn of the 12 gear --> 1 turn of the 20 gear --> 1.667 turns of the 12 gear --> 1.667 turns of the 16 gear --> 1.667 turns of the 16 gear).

And then an understanding question on Brunos calculation. 

On 12/6/2020 at 1:06 PM, brunojj1 said:

1.GEAR: 12/20 + 20/24 + 20/28 = 1 : 2.8

Isn't the result of that 2.8:1? That's at least the result, when I enter it into Sariels calculator. 

What I plan to do is to combine the setup with the green gears above with the swapped gears behind the differential (instead of 2x20/1x24 use 2x24/1x20). That should give me then

1.GEAR: 20/12 + 12/20 + 24/20 + 20/28 = 1.17 : 1
2.GEAR: 20/12 + 12/20 + 20/28 = 1.4 : 1
3.GEAR: 20/12 + 24/20 + 20/28 = 1 : 1.4
4.GEAR: 20/12 + 20/28 = 1 : 1.2

So if I understand this all correctly, then this combination should be (in theory) the fastest setup, assuming that the torque of the 4 CaDA L motors is still enough in gear 3 to move the car.

Please check my calculations as I am profoundly confused by now... 

Edited September 25, 2021 by mav2010

[brunojj1]

6 hours ago, mav2010 said:

Do I read this setup correctly, that only the green gears in the picture result in a 1:1.667 (20/12) ratio?

That is correct. 

If you use Sariel´s calculator, you have the inversion of the gear ratios which I had stated - for me it´s easier to think of gear reduction the other way.

6 hours ago, mav2010 said:

So if I understand this all correctly, then this combination should be (in theory) the fastest setup, assuming that the torque of the 4 CaDA L motors is still enough in gear 3 to move the car.

Please check my calculations as I am profoundly confused by now... 

Don´t be confused, my friend . You could even swap the 24/20Z gears behind the differential and get an even bigger gear reduction. One can´t confirm this to be "ideal" because there are other factors which can vastly influence the performance, such as torque, friction, quality differences between old Lego gears and newer generations, between CaDA gears and Lego parts. Most important - the batteries (plural!). You definitely need at least 2 CaDA batteries which unfortunately can´t be controlled by only 1 controller. Better use 2x BuWizz and there we are having multiple generations too of which performance is not the same. On the downside they are all expensive.

Nobody can guarantee if that will be working at all. You have the basic platform - keep on experimenting until you have your own peak solution!

Edited September 26, 2021 by brunojj1

[mav2010]

2 hours ago, brunojj1 said:

Most important - the batteries (plural!). You definitely need at least 2 CaDA batteries which unfortunately can´t be controlled by only 1 controller. Better use 2x BuWizz and there we are having multiple generations too of which performance is not the same. On the downside they are all expensive.

Thanks for the confirmation, Bruno!

My calculations above are already with the swapped gears. I was basically just confused whether the "green gears" or the other alternative with all 16 gears is the "faster" one.

Regarding the battery box: I am using the Mould King battery Box with motor driver chips exchanged for something more solid (RZ7889 chips). The big advantage is, that with the Mould King battery box you can simultaneously control up to three channel. So I have 2 L Motors each on Channel A and B and can operate them all together just with the A buttons. That is quite convenient. And the driver chips are also quite powerful. Nowhere near the BuWizz of course, but at least way better than the CaDa battery box, which fails completely in driving this setup. And way cheaper as well.

The CaDa L motors are really impressive. They are really strong and with quite low amperage need for the torque they deliver.

I have built the complete drivetrain, so up to roughly step C100. In this setup, the 1 Mould King Box is driving the model quite well in all gears. I will now continue with the build. Let's see what the added weight of all the red parts now does to the performance! 

[2GodBDGlory]

11 hours ago, mav2010 said:

Regarding the battery box: I am using the Mould King battery Box with motor driver chips exchanged for something more solid (RZ7889 chips). The big advantage is, that with the Mould King battery box you can simultaneously control up to three channel. So I have 2 L Motors each on Channel A and B and can operate them all together just with the A buttons. That is quite convenient. And the driver chips are also quite powerful. Nowhere near the BuWizz of course, but at least way better than the CaDa battery box, which fails completely in driving this setup. And way cheaper as well.

Just this past week I built myself a faux-Buwizz as well! I've now got three 3.7V lithium cells (from an electric jacket battery) hooked up in series to provide 11.1V. I've done some hacking of the original charger and battery circuit board, putting them into a Lego frame, and using aluminum foil and pen springs, allowing me to charge the cells in groups of any two. The performance boost over 7.4V is sweet, and it didn't cost me a cent!