Technic 2021 Set Discussion

[Leewan]

1 hour ago, Rudivdk said:

It would also almost certainly mean no gearbox...

The Ferrari will have 500 more pieces than the 42000, so a gearbox is still possible.

Also, given the price, the set could have motorized functions (with a dumb battery box), like 8070 ?

[Ngoc Nguyen]

But Jeep used to produce military vehicles! TLG is funding arm manufacturers!

[1gor]

30 minutes ago, Leewan said:

The Ferrari will have 500 more pieces than the 42000, so a gearbox is still possible.

Also, given the price, the set could have motorized functions (with a dumb battery box), like 8070 ?

Second speculation is more likely, but it could it mean more small pieces for more realistic shape...

Somehow I'm interested in compact loader, probably neat small set in size of Mini Xerion from this year

But about Ferrari, my feeling it's most likely to be SF90 Stradale

[scynox]

looks very disappointing that there is nothing worthy unless you want cars. I also do not think they shall have any special/unique mechanisms or parts.

I don't believe the ferrari shall have any gearbox. only suspension, fake engine and HOG, maybe open hood/trunk/doors manually, just a usual lego car (besides Ultimate cars). my reference is 42096, it shall be identical with every aspect. or it shall be source of "single use" panels to make view better. I hope I am wrong on that assumption. I would love to see something "technically" interesting among those cars.

If I am allowed to speculate, ferrari shall be "Ferrari 488 GT3", competitor of 42096 car. according to some sites I saw new 488 GT3 EVO 2020 is introduced in late 2019, so it is maybe time to introduce a lego ferrari for that car.

[chlego]

1 hour ago, cavallino said:

My feeling says the Ferrari will be the SF90 Stradale

I thought that too, but then:

-The SF90 is now "old", a Monza for example would be more logic.

-The SF90 is pretty complex, don't know if LEGO can do it with panels.

-I don't think that 1600 pieces are enough...

[Touc4nx]

Seeing so many car, one part of me wishes that Lego finally makes some correct suspension (including caster, camber and maybe toe...)
It would make the model more accurate, and a bit more interesting.
I also hope that they would release smaller suspension parts, allowing some model, in the scale of the corvette, to have suspension.
But I won't put my hopes too high, as I know that even on +18 sets like the Chiron or the Sian, they didn't made a "realistic" suspension setup.

Other than that, the monster trucks might be interesting.

[JintaiZ]

2 hours ago, chlego said:

I thought that too, but then:

-The SF90 is now "old", a Monza for example would be more logic.

-The SF90 is pretty complex, don't know if LEGO can do it with panels.

-I don't think that 1600 pieces are enough...

Last year's 42096 was only 1580 pieces...

[JLiu15]

I was hoping one of the 1H 2021 sets would utilize the dumb battery box from the Osprey, but now I'm doubtful any of them will have it...

Hopefully we get a set with it in 2H 2021, but it's a shame we're gonna miss out on it for so long just because the Osprey was cancelled.

[howitzer]

11 hours ago, scynox said:

looks very disappointing that there is nothing worthy unless you want cars. I also do not think they shall have any special/unique mechanisms or parts.

My thoughts exactly. 1H 2020 at least had the mobile crane, which was ok-ish midrange set though it could've been better, and the catamaran which was something new, while not terribly functional (and required a bathtub or pool to be really playable). I'm placing my hopes for something nice in the 2H releases, as I don't see how the excavator, loader or hovercraft could be very interesting at their price points.

5 hours ago, JLiu15 said:

I was hoping one of the 1H 2021 sets would utilize the dumb battery box from the Osprey, but now I'm doubtful any of them will have it...

Hopefully we get a set with it in 2H 2021, but it's a shame we're gonna miss out on it for so long just because the Osprey was cancelled.

The development cycle for new sets is around year or more, so unless they already had planned to produce a set with the dumb battery box to be released in the 1H of 2021 in the beginning of this year, they couldn't just crank something in this fast. Maybe for the 2H but sets at the size range of the Osprey often take even longer to develop so I'm not holding my breath for 2H either. Unless such a set has already been in development for a while.

[GoldVillage]

On 9/12/2020 at 10:51 AM, mugwump said:

Wow! I'm seeing six "cars" in total. This is a clear hint to me that Technic keeps on sacrificing interesting mechanics for looks. There was a reason why they used to produce lots of machinery in the past: They do things other than just drive around. Technic is one of the top-selling series and I'm sure they have good economic reasons for going into that direction. But my interpretation is different: If Technic cars that look good really sell that well, they should finally consider reintroducing Model Team or Racers. The Technic team could then focus on a smaller number of mechanically interesting sets. That might be a win-win.

I don't want the only interesting set in terms of functions being a small excavator for 39,- USD.

Words! i couldnt put it better... it getting worse and worse every year. All these simple cars with steering as the only function should belong in model team, not technic. I also looking forward for that excavator, But at 40 bucks it will be pretty small and simple and most likely the bucket is linked with the arm (i.e as in 8294) but atleast lets hope it will be pneumatic (but rumors says no)

[Fluwoeb]

Hello LvdH and fellow EuroBrick members!

I agree with @mugwump and @GoldVillage, Lego should really consider re-introducing Lego Model Team, Racers or even World Racers. They could also create a new theme for the different Technic racing or competition vehicles that are coming 2021. Also, I think that most of the small car sets will have one function or none at all, either steering or suspension. 

I will be looking forward to the Jeep Wrangler, Off-Road Vehicle, and the Hydraulic excavator sets. They might introduce some new pieces in the Monster jam trucks and the McLaren Senna GTR, but they will most likely not be as functional as the Technic Ferrari or the Hydraulic Excavator (which will most likely be linear actuators, see set 42100). Soon we will see what these sets will look like, and I hope we will not be under socialist rule here in the USA when they come out...

Keep building and stay creative!

 

[Timorzelorzworz]

We will see many purple in this wave, the color of 42069. I bet that the new UCS car in 2022 is purple.

[Jundis]

33 minutes ago, Evan-Eleven the Engineer said:

They might introduce some new pieces in the Monster jam trucks and the McLaren Senna GTR

Hi and welcome to the community! :-)

For the pullback-models, I only think we might get the usual soft springs. The Senna will just be a good-looker, I don't expect any functions apart from steering and fake V8. This really isn't technical at all.

If they really introduce new tractor tires, they maybe use them in the "Offroad vehicle" if this will be some sort of Sherp ATV. On the other hand, such a vehicle without motors will have zero technical functions.

Again looking at this list seems like a bad joke to me.

41 minutes ago, Evan-Eleven the Engineer said:

consider re-introducing Lego Model Team

Yep. Merge this with the creator expert series cars and it's a win-win. Nice looking display models with some little functions. Also this leaves some room for more technical models in the TECHNIC series.

[Ngoc Nguyen]

Where did TLG go wrong

they lost some fans

somewhere along

in the car madness

[dabo]

On 9/13/2020 at 4:04 PM, Ngoc Nguyen said:

I think it's really likely that the Ferrari car will be the F1 car SF1000. The F1 race was supposed to take in April in Hanoi (my country) earlier this year (however the race was cancelled due to the C thing). Moreover, an F1 car hasn't appeared for 7 years. It's also a nice way to increase the usage of the Land Rover's tyres, because the Land Rover use the same tyres as the 42000 F1 car.

Then why not do the Mercedes F1 car? Best F1 car ever made?

22 hours ago, cavallino said:

My feeling says the Ferrari will be the SF90 Stradale

One can hope.

[Leewan]

On 9/13/2020 at 7:43 PM, I_Igor said:

Second speculation is more likely, but it could it mean more small pieces for more realistic shape...

It's rumoured to have 1677 pieces for 180€, and sets with a similar amount of parts are either cheaper or come with PF / C+ that bump the price. Or perhaps the Ferrari license is really expensive ? Or the price or the parts count is wrong.

6 hours ago, Jundis said:

Yep. Merge this with the creator expert series cars and it's a win-win. Nice looking display models with some little functions. Also this leaves some room for more technical models in the TECHNIC series.

Merge what with the Creator Expert line ? I see the subject being brought up frequently, people asking to sell the simpler Technic sets as part of a different theme because they can't stand sets with less functionality, and I don't understand that. These simpler sets are sold under the Technic name because they're made with Technic elements, it's that simple, even if they're not as technically complex as some would wish.

Now, even if it's very unlikely because there's only so much sets they can release each year, I'd love to see more Creator Expert-styled cars, and it would be even better if they had some simple functions, but I don't think it would mean the Technic line would focus more on more complex sets and do without the more simple ones. Lego need those simple sets as a way to get people who aren't familiar with the Technic system to discover it and eventually buy more similar sets. If all the sets were really complex, sure it would please longtime, hard-core fans, but it might drive potential new customers away.

7 hours ago, Timorzelorzworz said:

We will see many purple in this wave, the color of 42069.

I thought only 42124 had purple ? Anyways, I'm more looking forward to the tel plane 42117. 

[kbalage]

4 hours ago, Timorzelorzworz said:

We will see many purple in this wave, the color of 42069. I bet that the new UCS car in 2022 is purple.

Fingers crossed... so many purple pieces missing for a decent build :)

[scynox]

5 hours ago, Timorzelorzworz said:

We will see many purple in this wave, the color of 42069. I bet that the new UCS car in 2022 is purple.

I hope not, I would prefer other colors.

also why do you say 2022? we had 42110 at 2019 and Lambo at 2020 so why not another big licensed set for 2021? maybe Ferrari is a set to align with Land Rover but not 42096? is Land Rover not considered UCS?

[chlego]

9 minutes ago, scynox said:

I hope not, I would prefer other colors.

Me too, purple is not a color you can apply everywhere...

[Jundis]

2 hours ago, Leewan said:

Merge what with the Creator Expert line ? I see the subject being brought up frequently, people asking to sell the simpler Technic sets as part of a different theme because they can't stand sets with less functionality, and I don't understand that. These simpler sets are sold under the Technic name because they're made with Technic elements, it's that simple, even if they're not as technically complex as some would wish.

Merge Creator Expert with (licenced) Technic Cars = Model Team. Speed Champions series also uses System Bricks, but aren't labelled City. Bionicle used mostly Technic-like pieces, weren't in the Technic branch.

Don't get me wrong, there are some nice cars made from Technic Bricks. But for me (and many other Technic fans), a car has only very basic technic features, there is nothing impressive on them except the looks. There are no complex kinematics, no pneumatics, no linear actuators. The oh so complex gearbox for bigger models is only for show... no real function besides faster movement of the pistons. If 2 or maybe 3 cars come with a new wave of 10 models, no problem. But 6 out of 10 (or 5/7 for january, wait .. is this a hint)? I mean, come on...Technic pieces can be used for so much more...

[Kaanere]

42 minutes ago, Jundis said:

Merge Creator Expert with (licenced) Technic Cars = Model Team.

5 hours ago, Jundis said:

Yep. Merge this with the creator expert series cars and it's a win-win. Nice looking display models with some little functions. Also this leaves some room for more technical models in the TECHNIC series.

I don't think it would leave more room for non-car Technic sets. Were they to spin off Technic cars into into a new Racers or Model Team series, those sets would just take Technic's production slots (so the same number of sets overall), not necessarily allow more traditional Technic sets.

Of course, they could also invest more production slots into Technic, but they don't need a new theme for that.

 

[Erik Leppen]

4 hours ago, Leewan said:

people asking to sell the simpler Technic sets as part of a different theme because they can't stand sets with less functionality, and I don't understand that. These simpler sets are sold under the Technic name because they're made with Technic elements,

But here's the thing. If there's so little functionality (as 42096), then why make it of Technic elements at all? The reason for studless Tecnic to exist in the first place is because it allows much functionailty in small space.

I believe the Mustang creator set 10265 is the example to prove that you can combine basic car functions (steering!) with a good-looking model that is much easier to showcase in a room than these huge 1:8 models. 10265 is basically Model Team. Why not make that a series with modern supercars? I'd buy a Mustang-style Sian in a heartbeat, and I'd expect most car fans to prefer such build style over Technic any day. 10265 just looks miles better (and much more recognizable as Lego to non-FOLs) than any Technic set could do.

So, in short: if a model has Technic build style, I find it reasonable to expect it to be packed with functions. Otherwise, there is no need for that build style.

And given the focus on cars in Technic, apparenatly there's a market for cars in various scales above Speed Champions. So why not make that a theme? Then, Technic can focus on techniques.

[Jundis]

36 minutes ago, Kaanere said:

I don't think it would leave more room for non-car Technic sets. Were they to spin off Technic cars into into a new Racers or Model Team series, those sets would just take Technic's production slots (so the same number of sets overall), not necessarily allow more traditional Technic sets.

Of course, they could also invest more production slots into Technic, but they don't need a new theme for that.

Even if the amount of Lego sets only slowly increased per year (I just looked at bricklink), I think it's fair to assume that we will get at least 15 technic sets in 2021. Considering the growing popularity of Lego, which didn't seem to hit a tipping point yet. I think we will get more sets (and hopefully not only cars :-P)

2012: 10
2013: 12
2014: 11
2015: 13
2016: 12
2017: 14
2018: 14
2019: 14
2020: 13 (+1 --> Osprey)

Edited September 14, 2020 by Jundis

[Leewan]

2 hours ago, Jundis said:

Merge Creator Expert with (licenced) Technic Cars = Model Team. Speed Champions series also uses System Bricks, but aren't labelled City. Bionicle used mostly Technic-like pieces, weren't in the Technic branch.

So far Creator Expert has only been about system sets and I assume it will remain that way. I think it's simpler for Lego to keep all of their sets made of Technic pieces in the Technic line. It's because Technic is a lot different from system bricks for someone who doesn't know about it, so it's a good way for Lego to clearly tell the consumer they'll get Technic pieces and not a traditional system set.

2 hours ago, Jundis said:

I mean, come on...Technic pieces can be used for so much more...

Oh I completely agree with that. But even if there were called Model Team, they would still be Technic cars. Unless I didn't understand correctly what you meant and you rather suggested that they'd stop doing simpler Technic cars and make them with system pieces instead ?

 

39 minutes ago, Erik Leppen said:

 But here's the thing. If there's so little functionality (as 42096), then why make it of Technic elements at all?

As I said in the second part of my message, Lego need those simple sets as a way to get people who aren't familiar with the Technic system to discover it and eventually buy more similar sets. If all the sets were really complex, sure it would please longtime, hard-core fans, but it might drive potential new customers away.

 

39 minutes ago, Erik Leppen said:

I believe the Mustang creator set 10265 is the example to prove that you can combine basic car functions (steering!) with a good-looking model that is much easier to showcase in a room than these huge 1:8 models. 10265 is basically Model Team. Why not make that a series with modern supercars?

The Aston Martin DB5 10262 is the example to prove that you can't always combine functions with a good-looking model. The Mustang works well because its shapes can be faithfully recreated with Lego. Modern supercars have complex shapes that are much more difficult to do at a smaller scale and with system pieces. That's why Speed Champions heavily relies on stickers, although this year's increase in width allows more brick-built details.

 

1 hour ago, Kaanere said:

Of course, they could also invest more production slots into Technic, but they don't need a new theme for that.

Exactly.

 

PS : We're going off topic, I'm sorry for that.  I think it's an interesting subject, but we're here to talk about the 2021 Technic sets after all, so maybe @Jim will want to split the thread.

[dhc6twinotter]

Nothing there excites me too much.  It's hard for me to get excited over more cars and off-road vehicles.  Maybe the 2nd half will have more machinery.