Ngoc Nguyen Posted July 22 (edited) ALL CREDITS GO TO THE LEGO GROUP FOR THE DESIGN AND THE INSTRUCTION BOOK. WHERE CAN I GET THE INSTRUCTIONS? Here you go: http://www.mediafire.com/file/k4nu591ygsd7tn5/42113.pdf/file WHERE DOES THAT FILE COME FROM? The Lego distributor in Vietnam put the set on the shelf early. I bought it. I paid to have it scanned by a photocopy shop. WHERE CAN I GET THE PART LIST? Photos from Racingbrick. WHAT ARE THE NEW PARTS IN THIS SET? New Parts in 42113: - Power Up Battery Box, part number 22167 / 6214082 Parts in New Color in 42113 - Technic Liftarm 3x3 T-shaped in Orange, part number 60484 / 6305545 - Rotor Blade (Sian Side Skirt) in Black, part number 65422 / 6305550 - Wheel 31mm D. x 15mm in Orange, part number 60208 / 6303441 - Technic Panel 5x11 Tapered in Orange, part number 18945 / 6303439 - Technic Panel 5x11 Tapered in DBG, part number 18945 / 6112843 - Technic Panel 3x5 #1 in DBG, part number 87080 / 6013548 - Technic Panel 3x5 #2 in DBG, part number 87086 / 6303445 - Technic Curved Triangular Panel 3x13 #50 (Sian's hood) in DBG, part 67142 / 6310171 - Technic Curved Triangular Panel 3x13 #51 (Sian's hood) in DBG, part 68196 / 6310172 - Technic Curved Panel 3x13 in DBG, part number 18944 / 6303446 HOW CAN I BUY THE PARTS? I'd suggest you use Bricklink. Pick the lists that suit your need from the one below, then import it into a wanted list in Bricklink. To import, go to Want, and pick Upload from the menu. Bricklink lists: 1/ Master list: The XML code is in this link. https://pastebin.com/a8TaMR9m. Credit to @Alitai. The list doesnt not contain the new parts and the parts in the new color listed below. What this list has: All existing parts with the exact colors in the part list above What this list doesnt have: All the new parts and parts with new color listed in the next question 2/ List of orange parts: Because some of the orange parts are exclusive to this set and haven't appeared on Bricklink, I put all of the parts in red. https://pastebin.com/AmDNwp6V What this list has: All of the Orange liftarms and panels and system parts in the part list above, but in Red. That means it does include the parts in Orange exclusive to this set, but those parts are listed in Red. What this list doesnt have: One Technic 3L pin with bush in Orange. All the remaining parts in the Master list. 3/ List of DBG parts: Because some of the DBG parts are exclusive to this set and haven't appeared on Bricklink, I put all of the parts in white. https://pastebin.com/GuLnJYF0. What this list has: All of the Orange liftarms and panels and system parts in the part list above, but in White. That means it does include the parts in DBG exclusive to this set, but those parts are listed in White. I've substituted the two triangular panels with two 3x13 curved panels. That means it has 3 3x13 curved panels. What this list doesnt have: Triangular curved panels (Sian's hood). DBG gears or connectors or axles. All the remaining parts in the Master list. 4/ List of Remaining parts: This list is the Master list without the parts taken out for the Red and White recolor. https://pastebin.com/qdZztzsA What this list has: All of the parts remain after the Orange and DBG parts that are included in the two lists above are deleted. What this list doesnt have: 6 rotor blades. New battery box. HOW MUCH DO THE PARTS COST? I put the lists 2 3 4 into bricklink and created a cart for all of them. The tentative costs for parts alone is 216 EUR at the time of writing. DO I NEED ALL OF THE PARTS IN THE LIST ABOVE TO RECONSTRUCT A FUNCTIONAL REPLICA OF 42113? Yes and No. Yes because this set has a dumb Power Up Battery Box that powers the L-motor. Without the battery box obviously the motor wont work. No because all of the other components for the main functions, namely gears and the L-motor, have all been released in other sets, and there are ways to get around the requirement for the new dumb battery box. HOW DO I GET AROUND THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE NEW DUMB BATTERY BOX? The first way is to replace it with a Control+ Technic Hub. The Technic Hub has the same dimensions and mounting points as the dumb Battery Box. The downsides of this way are: - The current design doesn't allow access to the green button. The dumb Battery Box has an axle hole at the switch and is designed to be turned on from the OUTSIDE. Only the bottom of the dumb Battery Box is accessible for battery replacement. The top of the dumb Battery Box in the model is completely covered with rigid structure, and the linkages to drive the wheel retraction movement is nearby. See the upcoming photo. A mod for access to the green button is necessary. You can do it like below. Credit goes to user chefkaspa on rebrickable. - You need a device with Bluetooth connection and some custom app to control the Technic Hub. The second way is to replace both the Power Up L-motor and the Control+ Technic Hub with a Power Function Battery Box (set 8881, bricklink number 59510c01) and Power Function L-motor. The downside of this second way is that you need a major redesign of the model around the front part of the fuselage to allow the PF battery box AND access to the switch AND its removal AND connection to the PF L-motor. The dumb Batter Box is a part of the reinforcing structure and isnt designed for removal because battery replacement only takes place on one side. In contrast, to replace the batteries in the PF battery box, you ALWAYS need to detach the whole battery box. Also, in the official assembly process, there's a marriage step, in which you drop the gear box which includes the L-motor from stage 2 onto the fuselage which includes the batter box from stage 1, and there is only a very small window behind the cockpit to connect the motor to the battery box. You cant do this with the PF battery box and PF L-motor. A redesign is necessary. I haven't come up with it yet. I will update this part when someone comes up with one. The third way is to replace both the Power Up L-motor and the Control+ Technic Hub with a Power Function AAA Battery Box (set 88000, bricklink number 87513c01) and Power Function L-motor. @efferman has come up with one. Please go to his bricksafe folder https://bricksafe.com/pages/efferman/42113-a-rebrick to download the .io file. @Seo-onDaddy has come up with another one. BatteryBox io filehttp://naver.me/GaLivNa1 DO I NEED ALL OF THE PARTS IN THE LIST ABOVE TO RECONSTRUCT A REPLICA OF 42113 THAT HAS SAME COLOR SCHEME? Yes. Some parts in DBG and Orange are exclusive to this set. IF I DONT MIND THE COLOR BARF, DO I NEED ALL OF THE PARTS IN THE LIST ABOVE TO RECONSTRUCT A REPLICA OF 42113? No. All of the panels already exist in some other colors. IF I WANT TO RECONSTRUCT REPLICA OF 42113 WITH A CONSISTENT COLOR SCHEME, WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS? The body has the triangular curved panels in DBG, and this panel doesn't exist in any other color besides Lime. But all of the DBG panels required to construct the body aren't available in Lime. So first you'll have to find an alternative design for the triangular panels. Maybe replace them with 3x13 curved panels. The colors in the model can be divide in 4 parts: - LBG for the lower body of the fuselage. There are no new parts or parts in new color in this part, so no need for recolor. - DBG for the main body. The colors that have all the panels for the body are Black, White, and Dark Azure (42070). I'd recommend White. This is the XML code for the Bricklink list of all body parts in white. https://pastebin.com/GuLnJYF0. This list only contains liftarms and panels. It doesn't contain gears or connectors or axles. The only missing piece is the triangular curved panel. I've substituted the two triangular panels with two 3x13 curved panels. - Orange for accent. The colors that have those panels are Black, White, Dark Azure, and Red. Since Black or White should be reserved for the body, I'd recommend Red. And maybe Dark Azure. But Dark Azure won't be as strong as Red. This is the XML code for the Bricklink list of all accent parts in red: https://pastebin.com/AmDNwp6V - Black for the rotor blades. Unfortunately the blades are only available in Lime at the moment. I'd suggest using some custom makeshift blade from liftarms. Blades from 42092 (Bricklink number 62743 / 4527604) work. HOW DO I FIX THE PROBLEM WITH THE GEARBOX? The gearbox problem is actually a combination of separate smaller problems: Problem 1: Gear grinding/chewing. To fix, add 3 8z gears and bracing. Credit goes to Huw from Brickset. PDF instruction: https://bricksafe.com/files/andman/42113---gearbox-fixes/42113_fixes.pdf Credit goes to @Andman for the creation of the pdf file. Problem 2: Inadequate torque to the spinning blades. To fix, first replace the 3-side black brace that meshes the black 12z gear with the tan 12z half gear With a 3L beam and replace the black 12z gear with the tan 20z gear. Move the tan 12z half gear to the right 0,5 unit and add the white connector as a bracer. Then add two 20z gears into the rotors. Pdf instruction for 2nd fix: https://bricksafe.com/files/andman/42113---gearbox-fixes/42113_fix_rotor_torque.pdf Credit goes to @Andman for the creation of the pdf file. I HAVE QUESTIONS THAT AREN'T LISTED HERE. HOW CAN I ASK YOU? Leave a comment in this thread and I'll reply. Edited September 17 by Ngoc Nguyen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M_longer Posted July 22 I'd love to see 3D model made in Stud.io ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ngoc Nguyen Posted July 22 (edited) @R0Sch has started the modeling. @efferman has planned to do so. Edited July 22 by Ngoc Nguyen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R0Sch Posted July 22 (edited) 10 minutes ago, M_longer said: I'd love to see 3D model made in Stud.io ;) I will try to finish by Friday but not all parts are available in Studio yet (triangular panel, rotor blades, etc) since they were released first time with the Lamborghini Sian. @Ngoc Nguyen I need to get home first. Still at work :) Edited July 22 by R0Sch update Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JunkstyleGio Posted July 22 Thanks for the instructions. Lets see how far we get without all those (not yet existing) new parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LvdH Posted July 22 Very nice! I’ve uploaded them to my Dropbox in case Mediafire takes them down or expires: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i8dqwm2gcqjsj7g/42113 Instruction.pdf?dl=0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cardboy Posted July 22 @Ngoc NguyenYou sir are a gentleman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BusterHaus Posted July 22 (edited) First 10 steps in case anyone wants to use them. Edit: @Ngoc Nguyen Page 174 of the instructions is folded, can you please post it? Spoiler 0 FILE main.ldr 0 Name: 42113 0 Author: Bart "BusterHaus" Olszewski 0 FILE Bag 1.ldr 0 Author: Bart "BusterHaus" Olszewski 0 STEP 1 72 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 15458.dat 1 1 120 0 20 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 6558.dat 0 STEP 1 1 120 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 Bag 1 - Step 2.ldr 1 72 120 0 100 0 -1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 40490.dat 0 STEP 1 72 240 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 15458.dat 0 STEP 1 0 300 0 -30 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 3673.dat 1 1 180 0 -40 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 6558.dat 1 1 60 0 -40 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 6558.dat 1 1 220 0 -40 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 6558.dat 1 1 -60 0 -40 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 6558.dat 0 STEP 1 71 60 0 -40 0 0 1 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 41239.dat 1 71 320 0 -40 0 0 1 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 41239.dat 0 STEP 1 71 180 0 -60 0 0 1 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 32316.dat 1 71 0 0 -60 0 0 1 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 32524.dat 1 1 140 0 -60 0 0 1 0 -1 0 1 0 0 6558.dat 0 STEP 1 71 100 0 -60 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 -1 48989.dat 1 0 40 0 -70 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 3673.dat 1 0 20 0 -70 0 0 1 0 1 0 -1 0 0 3673.dat 0 STEP 1 71 120 0 -80 0 0 1 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 32524.dat 1 71 320 20 20 0 1 0 -1 0 0 0 0 1 15100.dat 0 STEP 1 0 80 20 -20 0 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 0 Bag 1 - Step 9.ldr 0 STEP 1 4 320 20 20 -1 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 3706.dat 1 71 250 20 20 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 32034.dat 1 0 160 20 20 1 0 0 0 0 -1 0 1 0 3707.dat 0 STEP 0 FILE Bag 1 - Step 2.ldr 0 Author: Bart "BusterHaus" Olszewski 0 STEP 1 72 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 -1 60483.dat 1 1 0 0 -20 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 6558.dat 1 1 10 0 0 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 43093.dat 0 STEP 0 FILE Bag 1 - Step 9.ldr 0 Author: Bart "BusterHaus" Olszewski 0 STEP 1 71 0 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 -1 0 0 32184.dat 1 1 -20 0 -10 0 -1 0 0 0 -1 1 0 0 43093.dat 1 0 0 10 0 0 -1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 2780.dat 0 STEP 1 71 20 0 -20 0 0 1 0 -1 0 1 0 0 4519.dat 1 72 -60 0 -20 0 0 -1 -1 0 0 0 1 0 40490.dat 0 STEP 1 71 20 0 -40 0 1 0 0 0 -1 -1 0 0 6536.dat 1 0 40 10 -40 0 -1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 2780.dat 0 STEP Edited July 22 by BusterHaus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efferman Posted July 22 43 minutes ago, Ngoc Nguyen said: @R0Sch has started the modeling. @efferman has planned to do so. My pre-order is cancelled by the webshop. So i will not have the parts to make the fake parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BusterHaus Posted July 22 5 minutes ago, efferman said: My pre-order is cancelled by the webshop. So i will not have the parts to make the fake parts. What parts were you planning to make? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alitai Posted July 22 Thanks so much! All clear: https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/2f82a38a7fbfa526d87416c128aa80bed7f8b6c48eb2775f658edb5935fbed2a/detection Great work!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bitbamboo Posted July 22 Many thanks! Great initiative. I am not planning to build this in the short term, so not really worried by the parts. I'll keep and eye on BnP so if the panels show up i'll give a heads up here. This may happen. What is is sure is that in a couple of years all parts will become available in other sets and in more colors: specially the dumb battery box. So with some patience we will get everything or a reasonable alternative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arijitdas Posted July 22 @Ngoc Nguyen Thank you for sharing the instruction. I guess the next part of the challenge would be to rebuild this set using the PF motors. Not sure if someone has already taken up this challenge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efferman Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, BusterHaus said: What parts were you planning to make? To make an .io i have to make cad files of the new parts in the set. And without real parts i can not make cad parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
suffocation Posted July 22 Just now, arijitdas said: Not sure if someone has already taken up this challenge I'm working on it but using the LiPo battery box, which I guess is a bit of a cheat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ngoc Nguyen Posted July 22 29 minutes ago, BusterHaus said: Edit: @Ngoc Nguyen Page 174 of the instructions is folded, can you please post it? It involves adding a red 16z gear and a 3L DBG beam to the lower row of axles. Page 175 involves adding two red 16z gears to the upper row of axles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R0Sch Posted July 22 1 minute ago, efferman said: To make an .io i have to make cad files of the new parts in the set. And without real parts i can not make cad parts. Then you need to buy the Sian ;). The new battery box can be replaced with the Control+ version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conchas Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Ngoc Nguyen said: Parts in New Color in 42113 - Cylinder Hemisphere in Black, part number 86500 / 6252319 This part was already released before in black color. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ngoc Nguyen Posted July 22 Just now, Conchas said: This part was already released before in black color. Right, my bad. Got it fixed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efferman Posted July 22 9 minutes ago, R0Sch said: Then you need to buy the Sian ;). Iam not interrested in the sian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ngoc Nguyen Posted July 22 33 minutes ago, efferman said: And without real parts i can not make cad parts. But why though? Can't you just make up the parts or use approximations? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efferman Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, Ngoc Nguyen said: approximations? Approximations based on pictures are a quallified guess in best case. But ok, formula1 teams can copy whole cars from pictures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R0Sch Posted July 22 The parts from the Sian are available on Bricks and Pieces so they could be bought instead of the whole set... just a thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efferman Posted July 22 A qualified guess is better than buying parts in an hard to use colour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
