Lego 10277 - Crocodile Locomotive

[Mr Hobbles]

Track pieces are cheap, I'm fine with them not including four pieces of RC track personally.

They've previously stated numerous times that Lego trains don't sell well by themselves, they need an added gimmick to sell in the numbers they want (Disney, Christmas, etc), so I think the aiming of this is that it appeals to Lego train enthusiasts as well as adults who want a realistic display model on their desk or shelf. Given that the those people probably value appearance/realism over playability and having 4 pieces of track they wont use, spending the extra pieces on a more realistic display base probably goes some way towards appealing to them.

Plus as Lego train enthusiasts, we have plenty of track. :)

[Duq]

9 hours ago, NickLafreniere said:

The crocodile's piece count and packaging is similar to the 21054 The White House, which is also coming soon. The White House retails for USD$99, and CAD$149...

If the crocodile is going to cost that much, I can see quite a few people being turned off by that steep price.

The White House has 1483 parts, the Crocodile has 1271. Comparing a train, with many large specialised parts and a few minifigs, with an Architecture set where the majority of parts are 1x1 and 1x2 is not fair. If the rumoured price of around €100 or $100 then that's a pretty good price for 1271 parts and I doubt that will stop anyone from buying the set.

9 hours ago, NickLafreniere said:

Although I don't think the stand is the best idea, I do like the simple plaque included. I think if just the plaque as well as a few pieces to brake the train (some bricks or a rubber piece underneath) so it doesn't roll off your shelf while in display would have been a great compromise. 

Do you live on a boat? Trains and cars on my shelves don't tend to roll off... Anyway, I'm sure you can add two bricks underneath if that's needed.

5 hours ago, Coal Fired Bricks said:

I bet TLG is watching this forum, taking in our feedback, and changing nothing.

I'm sure they are watching and I'm sure they are taking note of feedback, but do you really expect them to react and do anything a handful of fans are asking for?

[dr_spock]

I think the ends of straight rails look neater than RC straight track for display.  You don't have the straight track connection notches sticking out.

 

[Toastie]

43 minutes ago, dr_spock said:

I think the ends of straight rails look neater than RC straight track for display.  You don't have the straight track connection notches sticking out. 

 

You are ingenious. This is one of the coolest MOCs I have seen in years.
Thanks for sharing, Dr. Spock!

Best regards,
Thorsten

[Phoxtane]

2 hours ago, Duq said:

I'm sure they are watching and I'm sure they are taking note of feedback, but do you really expect them to react and do anything a handful of fans are asking for?

Somebody else mentioned earlier in the thread that sets can begin life up to three years before going on sale. If we're only a handful of months out from this set going on sale, they'll have already committed to getting boxes and manuals printed, marketing materials made up, etc. - they'd have to rework all of that, which costs $$$!

[SteamSewnEmpire]

5 hours ago, Phoxtane said:

Somebody else mentioned earlier in the thread that sets can begin life up to three years before going on sale. If we're only a handful of months out from this set going on sale, they'll have already committed to getting boxes and manuals printed, marketing materials made up, etc. - they'd have to rework all of that, which costs $$$!

Yeah, I don't believe this is years out - more like a summer or winter release.

Stuff is probably pretty set in stone at this juncture. 

[German Luigi]

Crocodile motorization: 88013 is the L motor (from LEGO Ambassador Network)

Additional powered up will be available seperately:

technic hub (88012)

XL-motor (88014)

[Phil B]

30 minutes ago, German Luigi said:

Crocodile motorization: 88013 is the L motor (from LEGO Ambassador Network)

Additional powered up will be available seperately:

technic hub (88012)

XL-motor (88014)

Are those the same as these?

https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=bb0959c01&idColor=85#T=S&C=85&O={"color":85,"ss":"US","rpp":"500","iconly":0}

https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=bb0960c01&idColor=85#T=S&C=85&O={"color":85,"ss":"US","rpp":"500","iconly":0}

It feels to me LEGO is spreading themselves too thin with all the motor and hub options in PUp. PF was so much simpler in that regard (except for the V2 IR Receiver).

[JopieK]

40 minutes ago, German Luigi said:

Crocodile motorization: 88013 is the L motor (from LEGO Ambassador Network)

Additional powered up will be available seperately:

technic hub (88012)

XL-motor (88014)

@Dirk1313 has shared this at 1000steine (coming from Gaute Munch, Director Product Technology (Product owner of Powered UP):

LEGO® POWERED UP TECHNIC™ HUB (88012)

4 input/output ports for connection with LEGO® Powered Up motors, lights and sensors.
Integrated movement sensor.
Connects via Bluetooth to the LEGO® Powered Up app and the Control handset
Designed for use with LEGO® Technic™ elements.
Requires 6x AA batteries (not included).
Age mark 8+

LEGO® POWERED UP TECHNIC™ Large Motor (88013)

Use this motor for power and accuracy.
Integrated rotation sensor and absolute positioning for accurate speed and position control.
Designed for use with LEGO® Technic™ elements.
32 cm connection wire for Powered Up Hubs.
Requires a Powered Up Hub (sold separately).
Age mark 6+

LEGO® POWERED UP TECHNIC™ XL Motor (88014)

Use this motor for maximum power and accuracy.
Integrated rotation sensor and absolute positioning for accurate speed and position control.
Designed for use with LEGO® Technic™ elements.
32 cm connection wire for Powered Up Hubs.
Requires a Powered Up Hub (sold separately).
Age mark 6+

[Lok24]

Hi,

yes, they are.

There are in total 5 motors except spike, PF was 5 motors except servo.

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by Lok24

[Mr Hobbles]

@Lok24 I'm betting the SPIKE ("angular") motors get a general release alongside the new Mindstorms kit in August.

So, with todays announcement that 88013 is the Technic Large motor, which is getting a general release next month, I'm pretty certain this is the motor that the Crocodile will be recommended to be used with.

This likely means that we won't be able to use the Powered Up remote, as the Powered Up remote only allows on-off ("bang bang") style operation with that motor, with no speed control. So I think there will likely be new functionality within the Powered Up app to control the locomotive. I'm hoping for a realistic "cab like" control layout, perhaps with some realistic sounds. :)

[Lok24]

4 minutes ago, Mr Hobbles said:

@Lok24 I'm betting the SPIKE ("angular") motors get a general release alongside the new Mindstorms kit in August.

 

Yes, I agree. Which hub? We'll see.

5 minutes ago, Mr Hobbles said:

So I think there will likely be new functionality within the Powered Up app to control the locomotive.

This is already confirmed, there's a picture on the box ;-)

[Mr Hobbles]

41 minutes ago, Lok24 said:

This is already confirmed, there's a picture on the box ;-)

Are there pictures of the back?! I must have missed that!

[dimitri_bricks]

1 hour ago, Lok24 said:

Yes, I agree. Which hub? We'll see.

This is already confirmed, there's a picture on the box ;-)

Where can we find the picture of the box where we can see that ?

[Vilhelm22]

A 4 port Technic hub would allow 2x motor + 2x lights, so if designed to take them, this train could be very powerful and run in the dark! 

[TrainDragon]

5 hours ago, Vilhelm22 said:

A 4 port Technic hub would allow 2x motor + 2x lights, so if designed to take them, this train could be very powerful and run in the dark! 

I think the Technic hub is fairly huge, though.  8 wide by itself, I believe.  So, difficult to design around.

[Lok24]

14 hours ago, Mr Hobbles said:

Are there pictures of the back?! I must have missed that!

I did not mean any leaked pictures in the net, the information was posted on 1000Steine by @Dirk1313  , the last paragraph:

https://www.1000steine.de/de/gemeinschaft/forum/?entry=1&id=438328#id438328

15 hours ago, Mr Hobbles said:

This likely means that we won't be able to use the Powered Up remote, as the Powered Up remote only allows on-off ("bang bang") style operation with that motor, with no speed control.

It is possible to use the remote.
If you connect remote and  hub you're right.

My method is to connect remote and up to three locos/hubs to the app.
The complete control of the locos is done via the LEGO  remote, smartdevice stays in the pocket

The app is used to configure the characteristics of the different motors.
For example start-speed, max speed, acceleration , emergency break and so on.

Two motors in one loco, one of them running the other direction, is no problem at all with that setup.

This could be archived with external programs for a long time and is now possible with the LEGO remote since march.

Edited May 30, 2020 by Lok24

[Vilhelm22]

8 hours ago, TrainDragon said:

I think the Technic hub is fairly huge, though.  8 wide by itself, I believe.  So, difficult to design around.

But I meant the new 80012 technic hub, which isn’t yet revealed (I think), not the Boost hub, which also has 4 ports.

[Lok24]

17 minutes ago, Vilhelm22 said:

But I meant the new 80012 technic hub, which isn’t yet revealed (I think), not the Boost hub, which also has 4 ports.

The "new" technic hub ist the same as used in 42100 or 42099 (El.Id 6142536), new is just getting them as a part in the shop, same with motors.
And the "Boost hub", which is called "Move Hub", but used in the Boost theme, has only two external Ports.

You could just use a second "Smart Hub" ("HUB NO. 4")

 

 

Edited May 30, 2020 by Lok24

[paul_delahaye]

Is there not supposed to be a new Technic Verticle motor being released this year for the Volvo Rock Truck coming out in the summer?  Maybe this motor will be used to drive a verticle axle down to the wheel sets?

[Lok24]

54 minutes ago, paul_delahaye said:

Is there not supposed to be a new Technic Verticle motor being released this year for the Volvo Rock Truck coming out in the summer?  Maybe this motor will be used to drive a verticle axle down to the wheel sets?

What's a "verticle motor"?

But as already mentioned the motor for the 10277 set is 88013, which is (according to Lego) the L-Motor used in the technic Sets

"LEGO® POWERED UP TECHNIC™ Large Motor (88013)"

Available in the stores as of 1st June 2020, besides the Hub 88012 and the XL Motor 88014

The Volvo is announced with a "horizontal axis" (see below)
The 45602 is named "Technic™ Large Angular Motor", without "Spike" in it's name.

 

 

Edited May 30, 2020 by Lok24

[Mestari]

Can someone explain the difference between angular and linear motors in LEGO?

[Lok24]

5 minutes ago, Mestari said:

Can someone explain the difference between angular and linear motors in LEGO?

Assume the motor has one longest side.

If in this axis the cable on one side and the driven axis on the other : linear.
Like the PF-Motors, the PU Motors, small mindstorms motors, not the train motors.
With an angulared motor you have the driven axis on one of the small sides.
It contains a gear to get the 90° between motor axis and driven axis.

Like the motors contained in the Spike set or the Large Mindstorm motors.

[Mestari]

Thank you! Now it all makes sense :)

That's what happens when English is not your native tongue...

[zephyr1934]

15 hours ago, Vilhelm22 said:

A 4 port Technic hub would allow 2x motor + 2x lights, so if designed to take them, this train could be very powerful and run in the dark! 

I suspect the standard build for the locomotive will use the two port hub. I take GLuigi's post to indicate (1) that the crocodile will use the new L-motor, and separately (2) that the technic hub will be released as a standalone item at the same time.

22 hours ago, German Luigi said:

Crocodile motorization: 88013 is the L motor (from LEGO Ambassador Network)

Additional powered up will be available seperately:

technic hub (88012)

XL-motor (88014)