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Just now, MaxHeadroom said:

Only issue with this theory is him saying the riddle was for "the next few days" which probably means it's about a set that will be revealed soon so not Diagon Alley.

True, but kingnono doesn’t categorically state that we’ll get the answer when the sets are released. This could just be him knowing we’re all going stir crazy and giving us something to chew on. Besides, unless there’s a retailer exclusive that lego’s kept so tight a lid on that we didn’t even know about the set number, then there’s not really anything left for him to leak new information about except the D2C and CMF, is there?

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I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a Chamber of Secrets set coming. I mean this year we know we're getting Privet Dr with Dobby., Moaning Myrtle, Richard Harris Dumbledore with Fawkes and Tom Riddle. I mean there was a decent outcry over the first wave not including the Chamber of Secrets and including the lackluster Fawkes and Basilisk build, so maybe this year they're looking to rectify things.

Granted, it could all just turn out to be a coincidence and mean absolutely nothing. It'll be interesting to see what gets revealed...

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Just now, strangely said:

I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a Chamber of Secrets set coming. I mean this year we know we're getting Privet Dr with Dobby., Moaning Myrtle, Richard Harris Dumbledore with Fawkes and Tom Riddle. I mean there was a decent outcry over the first wave not including the Chamber of Secrets and including the lackluster Fawkes and Basilisk build, so maybe this year they're looking to rectify things.

Granted, it could all just turn out to be a coincidence and mean absolutely nothing. It'll be interesting to see what gets revealed...

Trouble with that imo is that a CoS set would surely be a medium-large set at least, if not a large one. And this wave is already very expensive on average - only one $20 set for example, compared to last year's two...

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Just now, sammy_zammy said:

Trouble with that imo is that a CoS set would surely be a medium-large set at least, if not a large one. And this wave is already very expensive on average - only one $20 set for example, compared to last year's two...

I don’t think that’s a meaningful metric, when you consider just how popular the larger (GH, WW, HE, etc) sets have been. If Lego sees larger sets selling better than smaller sets for a given theme, no reason they wouldn’t use that info. 

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Given how well this theme seems to be doing, I can't see Lego worrying they couldn't sell another set.

Too, I don't think a Chamber of Secrets set would have to be that big. I could easily see them doing the Salazar statue with a Basilisk for the build and including just Harry and Ginny (Since everyone else appears elsewhere). I mean, they can't possibly have it connect below the other Hogwarts sets, and disguising it as a section of Hogwarts proper seems like an equally bad idea, so there's really no reason to make anything beyond the main feature of the chamber.

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35 minutes ago, SideSwept said:

I don’t think that’s a meaningful metric, when you consider just how popular the larger (GH, WW, HE, etc) sets have been. If Lego sees larger sets selling better than smaller sets for a given theme, no reason they wouldn’t use that info. 

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Thought it'd be interesting to see how the prices of HP sets have changed this wave. This is just "normal" sets - no polybags, calendars, books, D2Cs, etc

While the average price has increased this year compared to both 2018 and 2019, the total price is actually lower than 2018, simply because there's one less confirmed set so far. I will update this as stuff is announced though. This is also including the Buildable Hedwig this year as it's kinda a weird case. Oh and there's two $100 sets in 2020 and two $20 sets in 2019.

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1 hour ago, strangely said:

I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a Chamber of Secrets set coming. I mean this year we know we're getting Privet Dr with Dobby., Moaning Myrtle, Richard Harris Dumbledore with Fawkes and Tom Riddle. I mean there was a decent outcry over the first wave not including the Chamber of Secrets and including the lackluster Fawkes and Basilisk build, so maybe this year they're looking to rectify things.

Granted, it could all just turn out to be a coincidence and mean absolutely nothing. It'll be interesting to see what gets revealed...

True true, it all fits perfectly, but of course our wishful minds may just be reading too much into it. Honestly though, if it were true I think we would’ve gotten major hints by now, seeing how it is one of the most anticipated sets.

EDIT: It would make up for the lack of Ginny :laugh:

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43 minutes ago, sammy_zammy said:

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Thought it'd be interesting to see how the prices of HP sets have changed this wave. This is just "normal" sets - no polybags, calendars, books, D2Cs, etc

While the average price has increased this year compared to both 2018 and 2019, the total price is actually lower than 2018, simply because there's one less confirmed set so far. I will update this as stuff is announced though. This is also including the Buildable Hedwig this year as it's kinda a weird case. Oh and there's two $100 sets in 2020 and two $20 sets in 2019.

(Also I hate Excel)

Nice infographic!
 

Is that including FB sets and/or Brickheadz? Just curious. 

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Guys, I hate to take the wind out of anyone’s sails but I don’t think we’re going to get a Chamber of Secrets featuring memory!Tom Riddle in the same year we get him as a book exclusive. Maybe a year or more after (we know lego’s done it before), but if the designers knew he was coming out in a set this year they would have chosen a different exclusive. And since the only reason people were even considering the possibility was kingnono’s ‘another Tom’ hint... 

(honestly, I’m kinda shocked we’re seeing the Chamber of Secrets speculation rearing its head again after a year instead of falling back to the much more recent Ministry Battle speculation)

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I'm definitely in the "Chamber of Secrets" camp.  While I don't want another big set to crush my budget this year, I think it's inevitable.  Take a look at Tom Riddle in that scene vs the exclusive figure.  The book figure has no Hogwarts crest and no prefect badge on the robes.  Am I nitpicking?  Yes, but this theme is known for its ridiculously screen-accurate portrayal.  Give the "another Tom" a different facial expression and there you go, two Toms this year.

Harry Potter: 10 Unanswered Questions We Still Have About The ...Tom Marvolo Riddle | Brickipedia | Fandom

 

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I would be very shocked to see a Chamber of Secrets set to be honest. Sure it would fit the “another Tom” clue and the “iconic underground scene” clue but it just seems so unlikely for so many reasons. If it happens I’ll be the first to rejoice but I highly doubt it

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48 minutes ago, RogueTwo said:

I'm definitely in the "Chamber of Secrets" camp.  While I don't want another big set to crush my budget this year, I think it's inevitable.  Take a look at Tom Riddle in that scene vs the exclusive figure.  The book figure has no Hogwarts crest and no prefect badge on the robes.  Am I nitpicking?  Yes, but this theme is known for its ridiculously screen-accurate portrayal.  Give the "another Tom" a different facial expression and there you go, two Toms this year.

Harry Potter: 10 Unanswered Questions We Still Have About The ...Tom Marvolo Riddle | Brickipedia | Fandom

 

His robes are open, and his lapel is covering the position where his Hogwarts crest would be... Can’t say much about his prefect badge, as that should be on his lapel. But in any case, the book Riddle has to represent the CoS Riddle, as there is no other film appearance that even remotely matches the book figure. 

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I'm in the camp of it being Tom the Inkeeper. It makes sense considering Diagon Alley is essentially confirmed at this point and apparently the Leaky Cauldron is included.

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I feel like if there was a chamber of secrets set coming out, we definitely would’ve heard about it this late in the game.  But on the other hand, we do have one less set (that we know of) in this wave.  Very possible that another COS set somehow slipped under the radar.

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55 minutes ago, Portal Out said:

I feel like if there was a chamber of secrets set coming out, we definitely would’ve heard about it this late in the game.  But on the other hand, we do have one less set (that we know of) in this wave.  Very possible that another COS set somehow slipped under the radar.

It could be a retailer exclusive, we hear about those much later than about the other sets.

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19 minutes ago, THELEGOBATMAN said:

It could be a retailer exclusive, we hear about those much later than about the other sets.

Yeah that sounds pretty plausible.  Quick question though: I’ve noticed retailer exclusives are usually right around the $20-30 price range.  Is this always the case, or are there larger retail exclusives from time to time?

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Just now, Portal Out said:

Yeah that sounds pretty plausible.  Quick question though: I’ve noticed retailer exclusives are usually right around the $20-30 price range.  Is this always the case, or are there larger retail exclusives from time to time?

While a lot of retailer exclusives are smaller sets, there are large retailer exclusives as well. For example, LEGO Star Wars has an $80-130 retailer exclusive ser almost every year.

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2 minutes ago, Portal Out said:

Yeah that sounds pretty plausible.  Quick question though: I’ve noticed retailer exclusives are usually right around the $20-30 price range.  Is this always the case, or are there larger retail exclusives from time to time?

There are larger ones, for example this year we are getting a $100 SW set (I think it's a retailer exclusive).

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I‘ve been adamant about 75978 being the D2C, but now I‘m not so sure anymore. As someone has pointed out yesterday, 75978 and the D2C are listed separately in the Stonewars list, which is our first proper piece of evidence that there may be another unknown set. In jedijacpenguin‘s list, which I‘ve always referred to, there‘s a lot of question marks in that entry, so he probably isn‘t so certain either.

And now with that Tom clue, there‘s definitely potential for a CoS set, combined with the other clues. Of course they could also refer to the D2C as many have argued here, so it‘s really hard to tell :wacko: Let‘s hope the next clues are less ambiguous :tongue:

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6 hours ago, SideSwept said:

Nice infographic!
 

Is that including FB sets and/or Brickheadz? Just curious. 

Includes FB but not BH

5 hours ago, RogueTwo said:

I'm definitely in the "Chamber of Secrets" camp.  While I don't want another big set to crush my budget this year, I think it's inevitable.  Take a look at Tom Riddle in that scene vs the exclusive figure.  The book figure has no Hogwarts crest and no prefect badge on the robes.  Am I nitpicking?  Yes, but this theme is known for its ridiculously screen-accurate portrayal.  Give the "another Tom" a different facial expression and there you go, two Toms this year.

They’re not going to put a Tom Riddle in the book then make a slightly different one for a set for the sake of a tiny bit of screen accuracy. The book Tom Riddle is the only Tom Riddle we are getting. I don’t think we’re getting a CoS set for this reason as it’s an exclusive minifig. Not only would it cannibalise book sales it’d be pretty rude of Lego to them screw over people who pre ordered the book for the minifig. Remember the average user isn’t a minifig collector.

I think you know this is a reason it won’t exist, and so you’re trying to turn it into a reason it would exist for blind optimism... sorry

I absolutely think the another Tom is Tom the innkeeper or a Riddle one significantly different to the book minifig.

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I'm on the Tom the Innkeeper side of the discussion. Besides me agreeing with pretty much every argument made against the Chamber of Secrets (especially the one saying LEGO wouldn't include Riddle in that book if they were doing the Chamber this year) I personally just don't want another set this year. Even though it's not as much as 2018 this wave is getting too expensive imo.

8 hours ago, Huigberts Builds said:

If that's the case there's also still the question of which innkeeper Tom variant it could be, probably poa but you never know.

I'd prefer the PS version but it'll most likely be PoA

6 hours ago, Accio Lego said:

Guys, I hate to take the wind out of anyone’s sails but I don’t think we’re going to get a Chamber of Secrets featuring memory!Tom Riddle in the same year we get him as a book exclusive. Maybe a year or more after (we know lego’s done it before), but if the designers knew he was coming out in a set this year they would have chosen a different exclusive. And since the only reason people were even considering the possibility was kingnono’s ‘another Tom’ hint... 

(honestly, I’m kinda shocked we’re seeing the Chamber of Secrets speculation rearing its head again after a year instead of falling back to the much more recent Ministry Battle speculation)

I completely agree

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1 hour ago, Lego-Freak said:

I‘ve been adamant about 75978 being the D2C, but now I‘m not so sure anymore. As someone has pointed out yesterday, 75978 and the D2C are listed separately in the Stonewars list, which is our first proper piece of evidence that there may be another unknown set. In jedijacpenguin‘s list, which I‘ve always referred to, there‘s a lot of question marks in that entry, so he probably isn‘t so certain either.

And now with that Tom clue, there‘s definitely potential for a CoS set, combined with the other clues. Of course they could also refer to the D2C as many have argued here, so it‘s really hard to tell :wacko: Let‘s hope the next clues are less ambiguous :tongue:

There's also a lot of evidence on kingnono's profile:

1. On his wishlist (from a month ago) his idea for 75978 was MoM Duel, and DA had a separate set number (71045).

2. "The confusion about the numbers probably happened because of shop exclusivity". When you sum up all the prices there are around 50€ left, and there's no retailer exclusive set we've heard of.

3. "An iconic scene in the underground will be part of 75978". Unless Lego includes Gringotts vault in DA (which I highly doubt, it wouldn't look good with other builds on display), this could indicate MoM or CoS set.

4. The last hint is how he specifically refers to DA as Diagon Alley. No set number, just the name. 

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I would love to have a Chamber of Secrets so bad, but I am also on with the Tom Innkeeper. It fits better with everything we have heard so far. It could possibly be a different Tom (I hope he will be from the first movie) and the underground scene could be as many have said the Gringotts vaults even though I don't know exactly how would they do it. And who knows maybe LEGO surprise us next wave with a Chamber just like they included Privet Drive in this one.

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To sum it up, we have three options here:

  • 75978 is the D2C, in which case "Tom" refers to the Innkeeper and the "underground" part are the Gringotts vaults
  • 75978 is a MoM set, in which case "Tom" is Voldy and the underground location is the Atrium of the MoM
  • 75978 is a CoS set, which would mean "Tom" is Tom Riddle and the scene is the CoS

Not a lot of concrete evidence for either of these options, it's basically all conjecture. Option 1 is the most conservative of the three and for simplicity's sake I'm still going with that one (Occam's Razor and all), but the other two are at least on the table now :classic:

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