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Does anyone know what the MOT Hopper 10017 is based off of and would you have pictures of the real thing?  Assuming it is a European design.

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I don't think it is a typical EU design:

https://www.google.nl/search?biw=1489&bih=917&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=XHUzXPaXLYrRwAKruKu4AQ&q=hopper+train&oq=hopper+train&gs_l=img.3..0l2j0i5i30l3j0i8i30l5.4071.7623..7953...0.0..0.55.512.12......1....1..gws-wiz-img.......35i39j0i67.hPU_KnjKJ30

Most hoppers in the EU (at least in The Netherlands) are quite small. The German railroad has larger ones but most are also small AFAIK:

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I've seen something similar on a meter gauge steam railway in Nordrhein-Westfalen. It's only got one side dump, but is rather similar still. I swear I've seen the bigger version as well, but can't find any photos I might have taken of them.

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7 hours ago, JopieK said:

I don't think it is a typical EU design:

https://www.google.nl/search?biw=1489&bih=917&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=XHUzXPaXLYrRwAKruKu4AQ&q=hopper+train&oq=hopper+train&gs_l=img.3..0l2j0i5i30l3j0i8i30l5.4071.7623..7953...0.0..0.55.512.12......1....1..gws-wiz-img.......35i39j0i67.hPU_KnjKJ30

Most hoppers in the EU (at least in The Netherlands) are quite small. The German railroad has larger ones but most are also small AFAIK:

04088024.jpg

Are those side openings doors?  Looks more like #4536 the blue hopper but also like a smaller version of 10117 with a roof.

6 hours ago, Feuer Zug said:

I've seen something similar on a meter gauge steam railway in Nordrhein-Westfalen. It's only got one side dump, but is rather similar still. I swear I've seen the bigger version as well, but can't find any photos I might have taken of them.

45734513545_807fa48e2b_c.jpg

That looks more like the one from #60098 to me, but I guess it could be a smaller one door version of #10017.

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I’ve not seen anything like it in the UK, although without the side chutes it might pass for a PGA aggregates hopper. UK wagons with side chutes tend to have below the solebar rather than above it as with 10017.

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15 hours ago, JopieK said:

...handy for things like track balasting etc.

Of course! That's reminded me of the UK's "autoballaster" (a wagon type that came about by accident):

377-700A JJA Mk2 Auto-Ballaster Generator Unit Railtrack ...

(Not my picture - it's from a UK model shop.) The wagon has a raised solebar and chutes that can unload either side of the rail, so as to dispense ballast exactly where required. The one pictured is fitted with a generator; only one is in each rake, to provide compressed air.

It's even got the same colour scheme as the original set (for those like me who don't remember set numbers):

10017-1.jpg?200106231200

(Again, not my picture; this one's from Brickset.) I'd say despite the different end shape and the obvious chute-above-the-solebar difference, the set could certainly have been inspired by the autoballasters. I think they were around at the right time, in the right livery.

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So 10017 is probably an European track ballasting car, which is what I figured.  So someday I will stick mine with a future M.O.W. train when I come up with an engine for it.  Maybe replace the load pieces with round 1x1 plates. 

Wonder if anyone has made that UK autoballaster in Lego? 

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