LEGO Train 12 Volts Posted November 4, 2018 BR 51-761-5 2-10-0 Steam Locomotive Hello everyone, as announced at the end of my “European Tour” this is time to go back to Germany again ...however, to participate to Octrainber contest I had to put aside the two locomotives already ready (one diesel and one electric) to dedicate myself to something built in Germany that has never been on duty in Italy: the BR51 and its unique tender with operator’s cab! As usual, the steam engine is equipped with lights and customized piston rods I wanted to kill two birds with a single stone putting beside this elegant locomotive a series of UIC wagons in dark green livery to realize a complete convoy One of the passenger wagons has a first-class section, the last one is a luggage wagon Have fun looking at the pictures (and the videos )... ...I know ...I have already said at least ten more times ....but ..."this is most probably my last Baureihe steam engine!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaL Posted November 4, 2018 Oh man! What a beauty!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEGO Train 12 Volts Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, CaL said: What a beauty!!! You're too kind CaL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrseven Posted November 4, 2018 Eisenbahnromantik! A beautiful dream of old german steam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEGO Train 12 Volts Posted November 4, 2018 59 minutes ago, mrseven said: Eisenbahnromantik! I agree mrseven, my layout is much inspired by the old German style Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashi Valkoinen Posted November 4, 2018 Well built and played the BMR contest. :D My hopes are gone. :D It is nice that such a monster deals with r40 geometry smoothly but those dark green cars are screaming for to be built in 7W or 8W, the short video footage shows how narrow they are compared to the loco and LEGO track! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEGO Train 12 Volts Posted November 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ashi Valkoinen said: Well built and played the BMR contest. :D My hopes are gone. :D It is nice that such a monster deals with r40 geometry smoothly but those dark green cars are screaming for to be built in 7W or 8W, the short video footage shows how narrow they are compared to the loco and LEGO track! You're too kind Ashi, but you haven't to give up ...I've seen a lot of beautiful creations out there and your is one of them! The wagons are 6W because it much simple build them and also because they are lighter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daedalus304 Posted November 4, 2018 Another very well-built Locomotive! Your German Locomotive builds always make me think that I'd like to have one too someday. I'm really interested in the secondary cab on the tender. I don't suppose you could tell us more about that? I've never seen or heard of such a thing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sven J Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) I had already feared that you had given up building German steamers... I'm glad you didn't! Congratulations for another well-conceived model (and of course good luck for the contest)! Als always, I have some questions... How did you build the curved handrails on the tender, and the little "roof" above the door? And how did you make the tender's window frames? 51 minutes ago, Daedalus304 said: I'm really interested in the secondary cab on the tender. I don't suppose you could tell us more about that? I've never seen or heard of such a thing! These tenders were rebuilt from "normal" ones to accomodate the conductor, thus eliminating the need for a separate caboose on freight trains. The little cabins were equipped with a seat and a desk, so that the conductor could do all his paperwork on the way. While this was quite convincing in theory, in reality the train crews did not like these tenders very much... There was very little space inside the cabins; they became hot during summer and cold during winter; and worst of all, over the years the metal sheets separating the cabins from the water tank often unnoticedly corroded, with the result that water leaked into the cabins. In the end, the tenders mostly ran unmanned, and cabooses were used again. Nevertheless, as money had been spent for equipping the tenders with cabins (and German State Railways were always VERY stingy...), they were not converted back to normal configuration. Edited November 4, 2018 by Tenderlok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rail Co Posted November 4, 2018 Wow you never fail to impress LT12V! I love the detail of all your locomotives and I seem to learn something new with every train you build and post. I am assuming that the window pieces have stickers on them to add that white trim detail, if I am wrong please explain how you did that! Always love to see your builds! -RailCo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEGO Train 12 Volts Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daedalus304 said: Another very well-built Locomotive! Your German Locomotive builds always make me think that I'd like to have one too someday. This is what I feel for your large American steam engine ...and as already said your new version of AT&SF's #2926 is a real source of inspiration! 59 minutes ago, Tenderlok said: Als always, I have some questions... How did you build the curved handrails on the tender, and the little "roof" above the door? And how did you make the tender's window frames? Hi Tenderlok, the curved handrails on the tender are rigid hoses with iron wire modelled, under the tile 1x4 there are n. 2 Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Horizontal (part n. 61252). For the window I've used the part 772p01 ...but are you talking about those windows? Thanks also for the exhaustive information about this carratteristic tender 43 minutes ago, Rail Co said: I am assuming that the window pieces have stickers on them to add that white trim detail, if I am wrong please explain how you did that! Always love to see your builds! -RailCo You've hit the point, on the windows there are stickers to simulate the effect of train glass Edited November 4, 2018 by LEGO Train 12 Volts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sven J Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, LEGO Train 12 Volts said: Hi Tenderlok, the curved handrails on the tender are rigid hoses with iron wire modelled, under the tile 1x4 there are n. 2 Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Horizontal (part n. 61252). For the window I've used the part 772p01 ...but are you talking about those windows? Thank you! Yes, I was talking about those. Didn't remember that these already printed parts existed. P.S. with regard to the cabin tenders: The concept originally came from Austria, where the ÖBB equipped a number of "Reihe 52" 2-10-0s with these tenders. Strangely enough, they seem to have had more positive experiences than the DB - more careful maintenance, perhaps? Edited November 4, 2018 by Tenderlok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laura Beinbrech Posted November 5, 2018 VERY impressive German locomotive you made there, LEGO train 12v, and an equally impressive passenger consist to go with it. It looks like, with where you placed the two flanged drivers & used blind drivers for the rest of the driving wheels, that it should be able to handle standard radius curved tracks. I also think it's interesting that they also used a variation of the tender "doghouses" in Germany that some US railroads used as a place for the forward brakeman to keep an eye on the front part of the train. All in all, a really fine build. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEGO Train 12 Volts Posted November 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Tenderlok said: Thank you! Yes, I was talking about those. Didn't remember that these already printed parts existed. The windows on wagons, on the contrary, are stickers because part n. 772p01 is not available in trans-black color 2 hours ago, Laura Takayama said: It looks like, with where you placed the two flanged drivers & used blind drivers for the rest of the driving wheels, that it should be able to handle standard radius curved tracks. I confirm, the locomotive can run on standard lego curves and switches easily because this is one goal of all my models. Thanks for compliments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monai Posted November 5, 2018 many compliments, the loko looks wonderfull and the tender is ice on the cake sincerely "in bocca al lupo", but for the cars (very nicely detailed indeed) I must agree with Valkoinen, their width looks unnatural, it is common in Lego but nevertheless is somehow disturbing, at least in videos..are you sure that a 8studs width could be unmanageable? again many compliments Sergio p.s. 12 hours ago, Tenderlok said: Strangely enough, they seem to have had more positive experiences than the DB - more careful maintenance, perhaps? we in Triest are using to say that "Austria (KkStB) was an ordered country" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEGO Train 12 Volts Posted November 5, 2018 7 hours ago, monai said: many compliments, the loko looks wonderfull and the tender is ice on the cake but for the cars (very nicely detailed indeed) I must agree with Valkoinen, their width looks unnatural Hi Sergio (and Eros), thanks for your compliments ...I know that you love steam engines and I knew I would find you here! About the wagons I can arrange both 7 or 8 wide but I love the 6 studs format because is very light and the convoy run fast. In my next project (anyway) you'll see new wagons in 7 studs ...stay tuned... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moustic Posted November 6, 2018 the BR52 at Mariembourg in Belgium has this kind of tender : http://site.cfv3v.eu/site/a3-portfolio/52-467/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sven J Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, moustic said: the BR52 at Mariembourg in Belgium has this kind of tender : http://site.cfv3v.eu/site/a3-portfolio/52-467/ This is one of the above-mentioned ÖBB tenders, and was coupled to the 52 467 at some point in the 1990s. It's basically a "Wannentender" (bath tub tender) with steel-saving, light self-supporting tank and bunker, which was developed for the German war locomotives class 52 and 42. Many of these engines remained in Austria after WW II, where some tenders were rebuilt this way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daedalus304 Posted November 6, 2018 On 11/4/2018 at 2:04 PM, LEGO Train 12 Volts said: This is what I feel for your large American steam engine ...and as already said your new version of AT&SF's #2926 is a real source of inspiration! Haha, well, perhaps some day we will have to find a way to trade designs On 11/4/2018 at 1:02 PM, Tenderlok said: These tenders were rebuilt from "normal" ones to accomodate the conductor, thus eliminating the need for a separate caboose on freight trains. The little cabins were equipped with a seat and a desk, so that the conductor could do all his paperwork on the way. While this was quite convincing in theory, in reality the train crews did not like these tenders very much... There was very little space inside the cabins; they became hot during summer and cold during winter; and worst of all, over the years the metal sheets separating the cabins from the water tank often unnoticedly corroded, with the result that water leaked into the cabins. In the end, the tenders mostly ran unmanned, and cabooses were used again. Nevertheless, as money had been spent for equipping the tenders with cabins (and German State Railways were always VERY stingy...), they were not converted back to normal configuration. Wow, that's really interesting! It seems odd to me that the railroad would overlook maintaining these cabins but keep the rest of the tender water tight - I assume, anyways, that if any other spots of the tender were to develop leaks of that sort they would repair them rather readily. I wonder if the maintenance was overlooked by crews intentionally as an excuse to get out of them? Either way, it's a very neat idea and it's really cool to see it here on this model. Thanks for the information! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pdaitabird Posted November 6, 2018 Fantastic locomotive! It's amazing how you've managed to build this masterpiece in such a short time for the contest! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feuer Zug Posted November 7, 2018 Excellent MOC. Your dampflok is exquisitely detailed and the work that had to have gone into it is impressive. The collection of cars only serves to complete the package. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProvenceTristram Posted November 7, 2018 You got caught on the drivers in that ugly no-man's land between what is "too close" and "too far away." Don't get me wrong: I think when you smush all the driving wheels together, you a) lose all braking detail, and b) don't wind up with prototypical spacing. Still, most people do it because it runs better. One advantage with this specific locomotive class is that it probably has wider-than-average driver spacing, so this is likely the best compromise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEGO Train 12 Volts Posted November 7, 2018 On 11/6/2018 at 1:46 PM, moustic said: the BR52 at Mariembourg in Belgium has this kind of tender On 11/6/2018 at 4:55 PM, Tenderlok said: This is one of the above-mentioned ÖBB tenders Oh wow I didn't know this model! 20 hours ago, Pdaitabird said: Fantastic locomotive! It's amazing how you've managed to build this masterpiece in such a short time for the contest! Thank you very much ... I had the advantage of having already built many BR before this one! 19 hours ago, Feuer Zug said: Your dampflok is exquisitely detailed and the work that had to have gone into it is impressive. You make me blush! 16 hours ago, ProvenceTristram said: I think when you smush all the driving wheels together, you a) lose all braking detail, and b) don't wind up with prototypical spacing. Still, most people do it because it runs better. One advantage with this specific locomotive class is that it probably has wider-than-average driver spacing, so this is likely the best compromise. I never thought about this but you're right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marxpek Posted November 7, 2018 I love this classic style, very well executed build, looks very clean and detailed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harnbak Posted November 8, 2018 I love your BR series, so natural and dusty. You make me forget you're building with lego. Reminds me of the look of my father's Märklin trains from the 50s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
