MEMTJEGO Posted September 17, 2018 Hi all, I'm interested in ideas that anyone has used to make a working rudder. Im looking for a gearing solution starting from the ships wheel and finishing on the rudder. (not a "Skull's eye Schooner" type solution). My main hangup is the fact the the lego ships wheel just has a pin and not an axle so I don't know how to make that turn a gear. Thanks in advance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Becker Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Well, gear working rudder mechanism has been done before in some MOCs before, but its much simpler if you just went the traditional and realistic way to just attaching a piece of string and do it that way instead. I can tr and look out for the gear mechanism methods a bit and see if I can find them again for you Captain Becker EDIT: Here we go, a quick google job usually helps Edited September 17, 2018 by Captain Becker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEMTJEGO Posted September 17, 2018 Yes, I saw that video. but my main question wasn't answered in this video. If that is an unaltered Lego ships wheel, how is that gear attached to it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Becker Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Simply by using a lightsaber blade, 4L bar: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=30374#T=S&O={"iconly":0} Its pushed inside the steering wheel, and it has that black gear which then starts to rotate all the others. I have not tried this myself though, as I am afraid of harming my beloved Lego pieces. It could be that the bar has been modified somehow to attach it better, or glued onto the steering wheel. But what I can tell, it just simply pushed in between the pin slot in the steering wheel. I must dig this further. EDIT: Also it might be that he i using a different kindof steering wheel as thee are two kinds of them. One whit a solid pin, and one whit the slotted pin like this: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=4790b#T=S&C=88&O={"color":88,"iconly":0} I think it miust be the slotted pin one that he is using as I cant see how a 4L lightsaberr bar would fir into a solid pin one. EDIT2: Just tested it whit both of the steering wheels. You need the slotted one to make this type of gear steering mechanism to work. Cant fidnd any othe methods to make a geared steering atm. Edited September 17, 2018 by Captain Becker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MEMTJEGO Posted September 17, 2018 I really appreciate the help. You went above and beyond. When I get it all together I will post it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capn Frank Posted September 18, 2018 I always use this gear: The official ship's wheel handles fit very nicely between the knobs. Most recently I've used a method that is actually much closer to how ships really steer. On the bottom of the left/first MOC image, the thread is tied to a red "tray" that has a technic plate in the middle of it. The tray moved the technic plate side-to-side The technic plate is attached to the rudder. See below. The rudder comes off easily. This model gets frequently displayed, and I just remove the rudder before transport. I line up the rudder into the tray, wiggle it to ensure the wheel turns both directions, and I'm ready to show off the steering capability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roadmonkeytj Posted October 2, 2018 I've use phreds method and before I've used two other methods that work quite well. This is the closest to the real thing I've come up with. I have been wanting to try the string gear method but haven't wanted to jam a bar in the wheel lol The rudder is chain driven This was fairly reliable but I modified later to this: The chain drive needs to to be crossed to work The only issue is the wheel needs to be centered to the Axel which I accomplished with the old clutch bushings Another overall shot of the drive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capn Frank Posted October 8, 2018 Roadmonkey, thanks for the great images. I like the use of the helicopter element attached to the chains. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roadmonkeytj Posted October 20, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 1:45 PM, Phred said: Roadmonkey, thanks for the great images. I like the use of the helicopter element attached to the chains. It really makes for a neat motion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1963maniac Posted January 31, 2021 On 9/18/2018 at 6:33 PM, Phred said: I always use this gear: The official ship's wheel handles fit very nicely between the knobs. Most recently I've used a method that is actually much closer to how ships really steer. On the bottom of the left/first MOC image, the thread is tied to a red "tray" that has a technic plate in the middle of it. The tray moved the technic plate side-to-side The technic plate is attached to the rudder. See below. The rudder comes off easily. This model gets frequently displayed, and I just remove the rudder before transport. I line up the rudder into the tray, wiggle it to ensure the wheel turns both directions, and I'm ready to show off the steering capability. What is this "red tray" mechanism you are talking about. I cannot see enough of it to understand it. Do you have a drawing or more pictures? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lyichir Posted February 2, 2021 Just popped into this topic on a whim (not much of a pirate builder myself, though I loved Barracuda Bay). But I thought I might mention another option similar to the knob wheel mentioned above—the new gear plates that have appeared in several themes. They're a bit bigger than the knob wheel, but flatter as well, so could potentially be made to fit inside the deck more easily depending on how it's built. The reason it occurred to me is that it's used interlocked with the ship's wheel piece in one of the Super Mario sets, so could possibly be made to work for this purpose as well. It has also been used in combination with the knob wheel itself, so it's possible that a solution with both might work. Again, a more experienced ship builder would probably be able to find out a little more about the advantages and disadvantages a part like this might have—I just wanted to suggest it as another possible option! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tezclatipoca Posted February 3, 2021 10 hours ago, Lyichir said: Just popped into this topic on a whim (not much of a pirate builder myself, though I loved Barracuda Bay). But I thought I might mention another option similar to the knob wheel mentioned above—the new gear plates that have appeared in several themes. They're a bit bigger than the knob wheel, but flatter as well, so could potentially be made to fit inside the deck more easily depending on how it's built. The reason it occurred to me is that it's used interlocked with the ship's wheel piece in one of the Super Mario sets, so could possibly be made to work for this purpose as well. It has also been used in combination with the knob wheel itself, so it's possible that a solution with both might work. Again, a more experienced ship builder would probably be able to find out a little more about the advantages and disadvantages a part like this might have—I just wanted to suggest it as another possible option! The use of those new gear plates is quite an idea indeed. I see this is an old topic so, these pieces weren't released yet. But now it could be a good thing to see a system of rudder using them... Thank you for sharing ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites