Bregir

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41 minutes ago, Bregir said:

but it doesn't always come across perfectly elegant. 

 

Thanks for the assist, I think. I kind of like the way you put it. I do try to use the emojis to dissuade any sense of indignity or arrogance on my part, but it's hard to be both helpful and concise while while finding ways to convey joviality. 

"Perfectly inelegant" I'm gonna use that :pir-grin:

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3 hours ago, kurigan said:

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Well, it "looks" give or take the same. And to be honest, I'm not really interested in making it functional, if you get what I mean? As long as it looks pretty good I'm happy :laugh:.

It's set up very sturdily whilst pre-prepared. I only made the bottom lines pre-application, and then started doing the ratlines one by one to the mast and ensuring their tension. 
Inside the technic pin is actually an elastic rope/wire thingy, that ensures their tension at all times. 
And it's absolutely extremely sturdy too. I've accidentely bumped into the masts with plates and glasses and nothing has shifted (Ship is placed on the dining table at the moment). ^^

What I complain about being delicate isn't the lines and their connectionsthemselves, it's that I made a poor choice of rope lol. Basically if I "twist" the rope between my fingers, the neat little texture of them looking
braided dissapears and they just become 6 induvidual strings. Next ship I'll probably be buying a different type of rope... 
 

 

3 hours ago, Bregir said:

It looks ok and works very well - I can typically lift my ships by the (lower...) masts without problems. Does require firm fixing points in the hull for chains, stays and masts, of course! :pir-classic:

I tried that, but the L32 axles aren't long enough to reach the hull properly, so the masts are being held strongly in place purely by the rigging so far. But it works, for now... :innocent2:
 

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16 hours ago, Thomas Waagenaar said:

I tried that, but the L32 axles aren't long enough to reach the hull properly, so the masts are being held strongly in place purely by the rigging so far. But it works, for now... 

I don't often use the long axles, as I don't have many, yet still it typically ends up strong enough :pir-wink:

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18 hours ago, Bregir said:

I don't often use the long axles, as I don't have many, yet still it typically ends up strong enough :pir-wink:

Well, that's pretty neat then!

I definitely won't try lifting it by the masts, probably could if I sectioned her up again but she just weights too much for me to be comfortable even attempting it 

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2 hours ago, Thomas Waagenaar said:

Well, that's pretty neat then!

I definitely won't try lifting it by the masts, probably could if I sectioned her up again but she just weights too much for me to be comfortable even attempting it 

Well, I should have prefaced that with it only working for smaller, lighter vessels :pir-wink:

But it's a good way to think about it anyway. That you need to construct the keel, chains, and other key structural points in a manner allowing them to support what they are meant to do. If you chainplates are too loosely anchored into the construction, setting up a taught rigging that actively supports the masts will be almost impossible. :pir-classic:

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30 minutes ago, Bregir said:

Well, I should have prefaced that with it only working for smaller, lighter vessels :pir-wink:

But it's a good way to think about it anyway. That you need to construct the keel, chains, and other key structural points in a manner allowing them to support what they are meant to do. If you chainplates are too loosely anchored into the construction, setting up a taught rigging that actively supports the masts will be almost impossible. :pir-classic:

Luckily it does what it's supposed to do :blush:. Can't relate to the smaller vessels yet though, this is the smallest ship I've made so far that wasn't a prototype.

Considering it's still standing after I bumped a pan into it yesterday... (And let's not talk about the plates over the past week, I really need a bigger dining table to construct this stuff on :innocent2:)

Edited by Thomas Waagenaar

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OK, guess I misunderstood.

What @Bregir is referencing is this now infamous shot of me holding Reckless aloft by her mast. I'm kind of, really, sick and tired of it being brought back up to be thrown in my face, particularly because it seems everyone misses the point. It's not just that she can be lifted up, but that the hull is heavy (2.5lbs) and unbalanced while the mast is raked back. Despite all the sheer force this applies to the mast, made only of stacked bricks with no reinforcement and combined with my unconventional hull technique, there she stays, taught and together. I am not handling her delicately, nor did I get the shot in one take, either. 

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There's nothing to be ashamed of here. I'm proud of this build and there's no reason not to be. I achieved what I set out to, and learned a lot in the process whilst proving my theories about rigging to scale. You don't like it? I don't care. I try to be nice, I try to be helpful and all I get are these little jabs in return. Ya got a method that works for you, great!

Good Day Gentlemen

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I had never seen that image, whenever someone says "small ship" I just imagined something like Renegade Runner set. The fact that she's over 1.1kg and you can just hold her easily that's a really impressive fact, I don't think anyone thinks it isn't!
Genuinly jealous that you managed to rig her so well, as its a feat I personally wouldn't be able to do, no matter how small the ship!
 

14 hours ago, kurigan said:

I try to be nice, I try to be helpful and all I get are these little jabs in return. Ya got a method that works for you, great!

I don't think anyone is jabbing at you. No one is saying what you're doing is bad. And yes, I got a method that works for me, which is great, and indeed, many things to improve for the next project. 

Honestly, communicating like this over the internet is hard, there is no tonal impression, no body language, you can't hear my voice, we can't hear yours, you don't see each others body languages. 
A lot of nuance gets lost via the internet. 

This whole conversation started due to a miscommunication on my part and we've been talking besides each other thinking we were talking about the same but weren't the entire time, I should
have been clearer on what I ment from the start. 

I'm sorry if I made you feel unwanted, that really was not my intention. 

Sorry

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