Tire and Rim Compability

[jgw]

Hey guys,

Yesterday I was a little out of inspiration for my current projects, so I started doing those useless things everybody does. But this time there came something suprising out. I found out most new small scale tires are interchangable. Maybe this is new for you, maybe it isn't.

I like to see this topic become a tire topic, where strange combinations are discussed and posted.

For moderators, if this topic is useless or needs to be discussed somewhere else, then it's my bad

So, let me start first.

It's about:

The 30.4 x 20 wheel and all compatible tires,

The 30 x 14 wheel and all compatible tires,

The 30 x 22.5 wheel and all compatible tires.

Hope this is usefull, and feel free to post other combinations!

Edited July 19, 2016 by jgw

[RohanBeckett]

Great to get photos...

but unfortunately, like most things on the internet.. someone has already beaten you to it!

http://wheels.sariel.pl/

Mouse-over every wheel, and it'll show you what tyres match up

Edited July 19, 2016 by RohanBeckett

[jgw]

Great to get photos...

but unfortunately, like most things on the internet.. someone has already beaten you to it!

http://wheels.sariel.pl/

Mouse-over every wheel, and it'll show you what tyres match up

well, not fully. The post that I made is about "illegal" combinations. The wheel card on Sariel's website is about the legal combinations, if you know what I mean

[agrof]

I find this usefull - especially the second picture. Just tested it, and the tyre sits pretty well.

Might be good option for small scale off roaders.

Although You can use the 30,4x20 wheels similar way - it is easy to push the tyre 1 slot inwards on both sides. This results similar thinner section profile, slightly better grip on wheel and also the diameter will be increased up to ~59 mm (couldn't measure it correctly - no tool).

[SevenStuds]

I don't think it's useless at all, and quite often just this type of creativity leads to inspiration for a new model.

Here are some that I think are worth sharing:

Left to right:

Model Team Wheel with Znap tire and Wagon Wheel spoke. This can also be doubled to make a wider wheel. Love those tread patterns by the way!

Technic Racing Small wheel with 2 Znap tires (tire does overlap slightly at the back)

61.6mm Motorcycle wheels (one on each side) with Power Puller Tire (This I had seen on someones shelf with chromed inner wheels)

Viking Wagon Wheels (one on each side) with Power Puller Tire

Hope to see hundreds more on this thread

[jgw]

Good to see some combinations already! As said, different looking tires + rims can give you ideas for a new MOC! Double tires work great for trucks and so on and sofort!

[syclone]

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61.6mm Motorcycle wheels (one on each side) with Power PullerTire (This I had seen on someones shelf with chromed inner wheels)

...

ZBLJ used this combination in his monowheel

Edited July 19, 2016 by LXF

[zux]

If I remember correctly, Efferman used two of these:

as a hub for some tyres. I think the for balloon ones from 9398.

[Gnac]

Here we have one of my favourite wheezes for making Model Team tyres work with cross-axles: using black 2994 or 55982 rims and their compatible tyres, we can get a double-width thing that allows us to use whatever colour choice of wedge-belt wheels to cap the hubs.

(LDD shot instead of photo because I currently have all my MT tyres packed away)

[Imanol BB]

If I remember correctly, Efferman used two of these:

as a hub for some tyres. I think the for balloon ones from 9398.

Effe used these wheels for some 2.2 inches 3rd party tires. i also made a test with these wheels on the unimog's tires, they fit, but looks very ugly.

Edited July 19, 2016 by ImanolBB

[RohanBeckett]

ahh.. I didn't realise you were doing illegal stuff! ;)

go right ahead then!

I won't call the Lego Police!

[syclone]

Found it ;)

Here are some (2) midnight ideas I had today .

First : 

Uses the 44771 tire pushed inside the 45982 tire and both put on the 44772 rim 

DSC_1639 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

DSC_1641 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

DSC_1640 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

Second:

Uses the 45982 tire put on the 44772 rim 

DSC_1642 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

DSC_1643 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

DSC_1644 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

Here's a comparison photo (normal 45982 tire in center)

DSC_1645 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

[Sylvian]

^ the second example will stretch the tire a bit.. 

[syclone]

14 minutes ago, Sylvian said:

^ the second example will stretch the tire a bit.. 

Unfortunately, both examples will stretch the tire :(

On the bright side, one can use the 44771 tire inside the 45982 tire to make it sturdier (the rim is the original to 45982 tire) and it won't deform it in any way

Edited February 4, 2017 by LXF

[aeh5040]

Bricklink also has a database of this information:

http://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=3&catID=111

But more data is of course always good!

[offroadcreations]

I was messing around and got the idea for this combo:

   inside of

It looks pretty good IMO. Also it's the small tire from 9393, not the big one from 42029.

 

 

 

 

[1gor]

On 2/4/2017 at 3:35 PM, Xewyz2001 said:

Found it ;)

Here are some (2) midnight ideas I had today .

First : 

Uses the 44771 tire pushed inside the 45982 tire and both put on the 44772 rim 

DSC_1639 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

DSC_1641 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

DSC_1640 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

Second:

Uses the 45982 tire put on the 44772 rim 

DSC_1642 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

DSC_1643 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

DSC_1644 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

Here's a comparison photo (normal 45982 tire in center)

DSC_1645 by Alaxaf, on Flickr

81.6 tire looks better on this rim (it is more narrow) 

 

If someone in interested, for one my project I needed truck wheel 62,4 and tire with possible portal axle  hub integration, but not 3rd parts, so I've ended with this solution (wheel 32004a with 62,4 tire)

and if someone needs Powerpuller tire with 123-124mm overall diameter and 48mm width, here is a solution for non steered axle

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=535390

(I did not upload images here because they are to big...)

On 8/19/2017 at 3:44 AM, Offroadcreat1ons said:

I was messing around and got the idea for this combo:

   inside of

It looks pretty good IMO. Also it's the small tire from 9393, not the big one from 42029.

 

 

 

 

 

you can use this one (at least I've use it on one of my current projects - on Mercedes Arocs 2042 AS Agri)

[MattL600]

38 minutes ago, I_Igor said:

If someone in interested, for one my project I needed truck wheel 62,4 and tire with possible portal axle  hub integration, but not 3rd parts, so I've ended with this solution (wheel 32004a with 62,4 tire)

Very creative solution!

Using parts to make up a wheel?!

I wonder if someone has made a whole rim out of pieces

[syclone]

3 minutes ago, MattL600 said:

Very creative solution!

Using parts to make up a wheel?!

I wonder if someone has made a whole rim out of pieces

One can use the turntables for a planetary gear reduction-rim. Here's some examples

[1gor]

2 hours ago, MattL600 said:

Very creative solution!

Using parts to make up a wheel?!

I wonder if someone has made a whole rim out of pieces

I use those additional parts to support tire from inside to prevent tire deformation which is now 65mm instead of 62,4 mm in diameter...

[MattL600]

9 hours ago, Xewyz2001 said:

Here's some examples

Woah! Are there any advantages compared to normal portal hubs?

 

7 hours ago, I_Igor said:

additional parts

Do they need to be flex or are there any others that would work? 

[1gor]

12 hours ago, MattL600 said:

Do they need to be flex or are there any others that would work? 

They need to be flexible to allow tire at least a bit of  compression under weight (or change on weight distribution when suspension compresses etc)

[offroadcreations]

On ‎8‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 3:48 AM, I_Igor said:

You can use this one (at least I've use it on one of my current projects - on Mercedes Arocs 2042 AS Agri)

The one you posted is similar to what I used, but older and with a different tread pattern.

Edited August 23, 2017 by Offroadcreat1ons

[TechnicSummse]

On 21.8.2017 at 1:50 PM, Xewyz2001 said:

One can use the turntables for a planetary gear reduction-rim. Here's some examples

 

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Can you fit any tire to this?

[1gor]

8 hours ago, Offroadcreat1ons said:

The one you posted is similar to what I used, but older and with a different tread pattern.

I agree but for my project I need tire pattern as similar as possible to this one