Sucram Posted April 22, 2016 OK, I have taken a great interest recently in the new set, the TIE Advanced VS A Wing, and you'll known this if you follow the 2016 news and rumours page. Now, while this set looks great, and the A Wing is the best I have seen yet, the TIE is quite off. I'm going to be referencing the old TIE Advanced, 8017, so bring up a picture of that in your mind. http://brickset.com/sets/8017-1/Darth-Vader-s-TIE-Fighter And here's the new TIE: http://brickset.com/sets/75150-1/Vader-s-TIE-Advanced-vs-A-wing-Fighter Now, the first thing that I noticed straight away was the solar panels. They look too short. They should be extended by about 4 studs. And, the angles on the panels are wrong. They need to be a 45 degree angle. Notice that the old set got the panel shaping right, but is lacking a good border around them, which the new one does have. The other main problem is the back part of the ship. Simply put: it's puny. The older set also got this right, but is lacking the detail that the new set is boasting. https://dynamicsubspace.net/2010/01/22/lego-star-wars-darth-vaders-tie-advanced-fighter/#jp-carousel-1203 But which set is better? Well, if your into the fine details and overall look, then definitely the new TIE: It is my favourite, simply for how good it looks. Also, its looks pretty easy to mod in the right proportions. With the older set, sure, you're getting the correct proportions, but it would take alot more modding to make it look good, as it is missing alot of nice details. Also, you're not getting the great new windshield and canopy the new one is boasting. Anyway, that's my take on it. Let me know what your thoughts are. BONUS DRINKING GAME: Take a shot very time you see the word 'proportions.' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schneeds Posted April 22, 2016 If you look at the original source material, the new version is the most accurate by far. I think people's idea of what the Tie Advanced is supposed to look like has been influenced by all these years of Lego's inaccurate representations, rather than by simply watching the movie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LiLmeFromDaFuture Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) I'm in love with the new TIE advance ! The angle of the wedge plates, details, and the overall stockiness just renders the perfect balance and flow that I wanted to see in this set! Oh and not to forget the hinged cockpit dish ! Edited April 22, 2016 by LiLmeFromDaFuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YellowCorvette Posted April 22, 2016 I also think that the new version is the best representation of Vader's TIE by far. The detailing and shaping is way better than 8017 (Althrough 8017 is also a good set to own). But what really kill the TIE Advance vs A-Wing set for me is the price tag. 75150 has only 700 pieces (Kinda) but it's cost more than both 75102 and 75093 which is some of the sets that have similar piece count but cheaper to get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
khatmorg Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) OK, I have taken a great interest recently in the new set, the TIE Advanced VS A Wing, and you'll known this if you follow the 2016 news and rumours page. Now, while this set looks great, and the A Wing is the best I have seen yet, the TIE is quite off. I'm going to be referencing the old TIE Advanced, 8017, so bring up a picture of that in your mind. http://brickset.com/...r-s-TIE-Fighter And here's the new TIE: http://brickset.com/...-A-wing-Fighter [Opinions] BONUS DRINKING GAME: Take a shot very time you see the word 'proportions.' Err why aren't you comparing them to the real thing. It reads like you are comparing the new version to the old version. In which case yeah the new one would be inaccurate, but that doesn't make it accurate compared to the studio model. Edited April 22, 2016 by khatmorg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuppylodders Posted April 22, 2016 If you look closely at the new Tie.... you can actually see..... IT'S A GOD DAMNED TOY. Jesus, if you want a scale replica that is 100% authentic, then buy a scale replica that is 100% authentic! It looks close enough to the source material. It is also Lego so it will NEVER be PERFECT!! Get over it already and accept the simple fact this is first and foremost a toy for kids, not something that should be nit picked by people with no imagination because it isn't an exact replica! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raskolnikov Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Err why aren't you comparing them to the real thing. It reads like you are comparing the new version to the old version. Yeah, I don't quite understand that either. I also think the 8017 is a pretty outdated looking set. Anyway, I was looking at the Ep. IV version the other day and was surprised at how compact it is. It's much, much shorter than the regular TIEs. So -- without taking screenshots and calculating exact angles and proportions -- the new version looks rather good to me. Unfortunately, I've already built a fleet of TIEs using the "hinged border design," so I may have to mod this one to match. But the hinged border is difficult to build in a sturdy fashion when a TIE has angled wings, so I understand why LEGO went in this direction. I wouldn't be surprised to see new versions of the Interceptor and Bomber be released using a similar style over the next couple years. If you look closely at the new Tie.... you can actually see.....IT'S A GOD DAMNED TOY. I love your posts Fuppylodders, but sometimes I fear for your blood pressure. Edited April 22, 2016 by Raskolnikov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forresto Posted April 22, 2016 If you look closely at the new Tie.... you can actually see..... IT'S A GOD DAMNED TOY. Jesus, if you want a scale replica that is 100% authentic, then buy a scale replica that is 100% authentic! It looks close enough to the source material. It is also Lego so it will NEVER be PERFECT!! Get over it already and accept the simple fact this is first and foremost a toy for kids, not something that should be nit picked by people with no imagination because it isn't an exact replica! So salty. What I do not understand is clearly people care about the proportions hence the thread so if you think such a notion is preposterous why would you even post in this thread Also expecting proper or decent proportions on a toy modeled off an actual ship (as an actual studio model) is not that ridiculous. Lego sets are still models! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuppylodders Posted April 22, 2016 So salty. What I do not understand is clearly people care about the proportions hence the thread so if you think such a notion is preposterous why would you even post in this thread Also expecting proper or decent proportions on a toy modeled off an actual ship (as an actual studio model) is not that ridiculous. Lego sets are still models! Because there will always be someone that whines, but why whine about something so miniscule and pointless because it is a kids toy? Accuracy is close enough. And yet it is never enough because it is adults complaining about it, essentially complaining it isn't the exact length to width to height ratio. Why on earth could that be? Oh yeah... because it is Lego, and a toy for children, not a scale replica model for adults. And yes, it is a model, a toy model. Aimed at children. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotoAndLego Posted April 22, 2016 And, the angles on the panels are wrong. They need to be a 45 degree angle. The panels are on click-hinges, adjust to your liking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schneeds Posted April 22, 2016 Because there will always be someone that whines, but why whine about something so miniscule and pointless because it is a kids toy? Accuracy is close enough. And yet it is never enough because it is adults complaining about it, essentially complaining it isn't the exact length to width to height ratio. Why on earth could that be? Oh yeah... because it is Lego, and a toy for children, not a scale replica model for adults. And yes, it is a model, a toy model. Aimed at children. Go ahead and read your post objectively. I hope the irony isn't lost upon you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuppylodders Posted April 22, 2016 Oh, I see the irony, but so what? He asked for peoples thoughts, I'm giving mine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Junior Shark Posted April 22, 2016 Anyway, I was looking at the Ep. IV version the other day and was surprised at how compact it is. It's much, much shorter than the regular TIEs. This. 8017 is way too huge when compared to the newest system-scale TIEs we've gotten. Oh and not to forget the hinged cockpit dish ! This. The new pieces are soooo much better than the old huge cockpit pieces. I'm all for nostalgia, but frankly, 8017 sucks compared to the new one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schneeds Posted April 22, 2016 Oh, I see the irony, but so what? He asked for peoples thoughts, I'm giving mine. I think he was looking more for thoughts on the actual sets, not himself ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wesker Posted April 22, 2016 The new TIE Advanced is a huge improvement over the old one. The wings are far more detailed, the cockpit is much more rounded and smoother and the overall build looks to be a lot sturdier. Plus some people forget that Vader's TIE is supposed to be small in size and bulkier in shape compared to the other TIE Fighters in the movies. This is the first system scale model that actually captures the ship's stubby look perfectly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dhivael Posted April 22, 2016 If you look closely at the new Tie.... you can actually see..... IT'S A GOD DAMNED TOY. Reddit gold worthy. I actually really like the set, and am excited about the long overdue update. I tried to modify the Rebels TIE Advanced, like a number of others, but it never quite looked right. I am sure I will futz with this set as well, but of the 2016 SW sets, I think this is one that I am quite excited to get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sucram Posted April 22, 2016 OK, thanks for all the feedback, lets answer some questions. Because there will always be someone that whines, but why whine about something so miniscule and pointless because it is a kids toy? Accuracy is close enough. And yet it is never enough because it is adults complaining about it, essentially complaining it isn't the exact length to width to height ratio. Why on earth could that be? Oh yeah... because it is Lego, and a toy for children, not a scale replica model for adults. And yes, it is a model, a toy model. Aimed at children. I am in fact not whining, just making some observations of the size of the ship and such. I in fact love the new TIE, I'm just interested in things like this. No need to add salt into the mix. The panels are on click-hinges, adjust to your liking. I know, I was not talking about those angles, but instead, the angles of the corers of the panels. Sorry for the misunderstanding. The new TIE Advanced is a huge improvement over the old one. The wings are far more detailed, the cockpit is much more rounded and smoother and the overall build looks to be a lot sturdier. Plus some people forget that Vader's TIE is supposed to be small in size and bulkier in shape compared to the other TIE Fighters in the movies. This is the first system scale model that actually captures the ship's stubby look perfectly. Err why aren't you comparing them to the real thing. It reads like you are comparing the new version to the old version. In which case yeah the new one would be inaccurate, but that doesn't make it accurate compared to the studio model. Mmmm, I did some digging, the model I was referencing implied it was a studio one, when in fact it wasn't. I rewatched the Battle of Yavin and paused it at certain times, and yes, you both are right. Sorry for the false information. I also think that the new version is the best representation of Vader's TIE by far. The detailing and shaping is way better than 8017 (Althrough 8017 is also a good set to own). But what really kill the TIE Advance vs A-Wing set for me is the price tag. 75150 has only 700 pieces (Kinda) but it's cost more than both 75102 and 75093 which is some of the sets that have similar piece count but cheaper to get. Yeah, here in Australia, it will cost about 150 dollars, which is just, ridiculous. I'm in love with the new TIE advance ! The angle of the wedge plates, details, and the overall stockiness just renders the perfect balance and flow that I wanted to see in this set! Oh and not to forget the hinged cockpit dish ! Yes, it is simply gorgeous. and the fact that they FINALLY got the colours right, and didn't use dark bley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duboismerci Posted April 23, 2016 The Tie advance from 7150 Tie fighter & Y-wing is the best and if you don't think so you are not real lego fans! (joke) More seriously, the new one is the best but I already have the 2013 A-Wing and the 1999 Tie advance. I know the new ones are more accurate but this is going to be 120$ in Canada so I will pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gotoAndLego Posted April 23, 2016 Mmmm, I did some digging, the model I was referencing implied it was a studio one, when in fact it wasn't. I rewatched the Battle of Yavin and paused it at certain times, and yes, you both are right. Sorry for the false information. /thread closed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LiLmeFromDaFuture Posted April 23, 2016 Nice to hear that the discussion came to an agreeable conclusion! But can I hear a moderator say: "Locked!' or "… and locked!" or "…so locked!" I don't know why but I get a rise out of it so much! Also, just noticed the tag "1 quarter portion" :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sucram Posted April 24, 2016 The Tie advance from 7150 Tie fighter & Y-wing is the best and if you don't think so you are not real lego fans! (joke) More seriously, the new one is the best but I already have the 2013 A-Wing and the 1999 Tie advance. I know the new ones are more accurate but this is going to be 120$ in Canada so I will pass. Agreed. The design of the very first TIE advanced is breathtaking. I look at it, and it's so realistic that I think it's not even LEGO. I have dedicated a shrine to 7150 and worship it every day. Nice to hear that the discussion came to an agreeable conclusion! But can I hear a moderator say: "Locked!' or "… and locked!" or "…so locked!" I don't know why but I get a rise out of it so much! Also, just noticed the tag "1 quarter portion" :D I like puns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rollermonkey Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) Now, the first thing that I noticed straight away was the solar panels. They look too short. They should be extended by about 4 studs. And, the angles on the panels are wrong. They need to be a 45 degree angle. Notice that the old set got the panel shaping right, but is lacking a good border around them, which the new one does have. What's a 45-degree angle? The angle they curve inward or the angle of the shape of the wing in profile? Because neither was 45-degrees on the Revell models I've built, which tend more towards accuracy than LEGO builds do. Edited April 24, 2016 by rollermonkey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sucram Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) If you look at the ship from the front, you can see that the panels angle in at a 45 degree angle. http://vignette4.wik...=20150310124250 Edited April 24, 2016 by LEGODrongo01 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flandy Posted April 24, 2016 This is a pretty good pic showing multiple angles, it seems the inward slope of the upper and lower solar panel sections is close to 45 degrees, but the angle of the front and back sections is msteeper, but probably looks like 45 degrees when viewed at certain side on angles because they slope away from you and look more shallow: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sucram Posted April 24, 2016 Very useful, and good observations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites