Lady K Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 While I agree with Benito needs to go, wouldn't Katalina make a better lynch for today given the excuse scum stole her vote and poor explanation after that? Also if she was scum or town then recruited by Ferrari how does that affect the outcome of the game?
Calanon Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 If Benito is scum then why would the scum target him night one? If he is Ferrari it makes more sense. Given the number of players we started out with, how many Ferraris could we have and can they recruit? If he were a Ferrari then they would target him, but I'm unsure if he is. If there is a third party then with the size of the game there'd only be one, and I doubt they could recruit. If Benito isn't a third party that means the third party somehow killed tonight but not the previous night, and that Benito is the FBI killer.
Peanuts Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 While I agree with Benito needs to go, wouldn't Katalina make a better lynch for today given the excuse scum stole her vote and poor explanation after that? Also if she was scum or town then recruited by Ferrari how does that affect the outcome of the game? Yes, lynch the townie who got her vote stolen rather than the all but confirmed scum. Winning strategy Also, it doesn't make a difference which scum team you think I'm on. Also, I'm not on any scum team. If he were a Ferrari then they would target him, but I'm unsure if he is. If there is a third party then with the size of the game there'd only be one, and I doubt they could recruit. If Benito isn't a third party that means the third party somehow killed tonight but not the previous night, and that Benito is the FBI killer. Or there is no third party. We've seen one kill in two nights. That's indicating there is no SK. The size of the game tells us there likely is no cult. Other third parties are extremely rare. I'd say in all likelyhood there is no third party and we should focus on catching feds.
Lady K Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 If he were a Ferrari then they would target him, but I'm unsure if he is. If there is a third party then with the size of the game there'd only be one, and I doubt they could recruit. If Benito isn't a third party that means the third party somehow killed tonight but not the previous night, and that Benito is the FBI killer. Why is it that there were no kills the first night? What actions could stop it from happening?
Calanon Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Why is it that there were no kills the first night? What actions could stop it from happening? We know that the blocker blocked Benito on the first night.
Lady K Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 If he were a Ferrari then they would target him, but I'm unsure if he is. If there is a third party then with the size of the game there'd only be one, and I doubt they could recruit. If Benito isn't a third party that means the third party somehow killed tonight but not the previous night, and that Benito is the FBI killer. If Benito was blocked, I'll assume then blocked both nights and he is the scum killer, then why didn't the third party (we will use Ferrari here for connivence) kill the first night as well?
Calanon Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 If Benito was blocked, I'll assume then blocked both nights and he is the scum killer, then why didn't the third party (we will use Ferrari here for connivence) kill the first night as well? Who knows, unless they have a similar mechanic to what Paco lied about but with even nights.
def Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 While I agree with Benito needs to go, wouldn't Katalina make a better lynch for today given the excuse scum stole her vote and poor explanation after that? Also if she was scum or town then recruited by Ferrari how does that affect the outcome of the game? Benito voted for me while saying he knew I wasn't scum. Sounds like he's the best bet for today. One thing at a time.
Lady K Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Benito voted for me while saying he knew I wasn't scum. Sounds like he's the best bet for today. One thing at a time. If Benito is lynched today then wouldn't the kill role pass to someone else? At least if he is kept till last and blocked every night then the kill can't be used against town. If town turns up dead then we know we have a third party.
def Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 No idea, but I'd rather lynch the devil I know. If Benito was a third party, it would explain something about why he was happy to lynch Katalina day one. Possibly, Katalina and Paco were on one team, and Benito and Abbot on another. Perhaps it was Benito and Abbot's job to find the main feds. No idea, but once we see Benito's loyalty, we will have a clearer picture of the situation.
Lady K Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 No idea, but I'd rather lynch the devil I know. If Benito was a third party, it would explain something about why he was happy to lynch Katalina day one. Possibly, Katalina and Paco were on one team, and Benito and Abbot on another. Perhaps it was Benito and Abbot's job to find the main feds. No idea, but once we see Benito's loyalty, we will have a clearer picture of the situation. Your logic has been sound. However, scum would be happy to sacrifice one of their own wouldn't they? Benito is a lynch option but I'm still not comfortable with the possibility of that kill role being passed to someone else. How do you know for sure he is the scum killer? With no kills night one and one kill night two? Was Benito for sure blocked both nights?
Mencot Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Are we making this a bit too hard for us now, wondering about blocking both nights and that there wasn´t a kill night 1 and was on night 2. I don´t know why there was and what kind of killing role scum has, nor do I know is there a 3rd party! But what I do know is Benito looks scummy, today he is trying to be helpful to save himself. I agree with Da-Shen, he would be a great lynch candidate and lets work from there on the rest. Because he is scum or if there is 3rd party then he is that, nontheless I know what I will do. Has Abott been seen today? What´s up with him, has he given up?
Calanon Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Are we making this a bit too hard for us now, wondering about blocking both nights and that there wasn´t a kill night 1 and was on night 2. I don´t know why there was and what kind of killing role scum has, nor do I know is there a 3rd party! But what I do know is Benito looks scummy, today he is trying to be helpful to save himself. I agree with Da-Shen, he would be a great lynch candidate and lets work from there on the rest. Because he is scum or if there is 3rd party then he is that, nontheless I know what I will do. Has Abott been seen today? What´s up with him, has he given up? He's been online. Otherwise, who knows?
Lady K Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Are we making this a bit too hard for us now, wondering about blocking both nights and that there wasn´t a kill night 1 and was on night 2. I don´t know why there was and what kind of killing role scum has, nor do I know is there a 3rd party! But what I do know is Benito looks scummy, today he is trying to be helpful to save himself. I agree with Da-Shen, he would be a great lynch candidate and lets work from there on the rest. Because he is scum or if there is 3rd party then he is that, nontheless I know what I will do. Has Abott been seen today? What´s up with him, has he given up? As do I. Abbott has not responded yet. At least some sort of defense or explanation is better than nothing.
Mencot Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Okay (not ok-ey), those not look good for Abbot. I think we should consider him after Benito.
Adam Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Has Abott been seen today? What´s up with him, has he given up? I’ve been reading all these threads and working up a post - no, I have not given up! From what I can tell, you guys are suspicious of me because I’m quiet and I didn’t vote last night. I’m sorry about that - some IRL business got in the way, but that's over and I'm back. Bernard and Tam pulled me aside to warn me about the dangers of not voting, so you can rest assured that won't happen again (I'm town, by the way). I think that Tiffany (TrumpetKing) was probably killed by a third party. There's absolutely no reason for the scum not to kill on Night 1. Benito (Bob) was blocked then, and he was apparently blocked last night, so I personally believe that he's the scum killer. Thus, we should lynch him tonight. As I'm sure many of you also believe, I feel like we pretty much have our scum team based on who voted for Da Shan (Speedy) yesterday - Paco (Piratedave), Benito (Bob), and Katalina (Peanuts). Paco (Piratedave) is already confirmed scum, which shows that everything he said yesterday about being a third party - and all the crap that came afterward - was simple bluffing which he was trying to use to throw off the town. That said, I think his posts deserve reexamination to see if he was trying to point the finger away from anyone, so I'm looking through what he said now.
jluck Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 I wanted Benito gone yesterday, and my thoughts haven't changed. With such a strong majority, we will have time to locate whoever is left. We are in a strong position, let's not try to get fancy.
Lady K Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 I wanted Benito gone yesterday, and my thoughts haven't changed. With such a strong majority, we will have time to locate whoever is left. We are in a strong position, let's not try to get fancy. I've wanted Benito gone since day 1( I voted for him on day 1 indecently), do we have a majority right now to do it? To clarify I voted for Benito on day one till 10:33pm when I changed my vote to Katalina( in reviewing all posts it was obvious that Katalina had only posted once then came back to vote and then changed her vote with no explanations or reasons given).
Mencot Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 I’ve been reading all these threads and working up a post - no, I have not given up! From what I can tell, you guys are suspicious of me because I’m quiet and I didn’t vote last night. I’m sorry about that - some IRL business got in the way, but that's over and I'm back. Bernard and Tam pulled me aside to warn me about the dangers of not voting, so you can rest assured that won't happen again (I'm town, by the way). I think that Tiffany (TrumpetKing) was probably killed by a third party. There's absolutely no reason for the scum not to kill on Night 1. Benito (Bob) was blocked then, and he was apparently blocked last night, so I personally believe that he's the scum killer. Thus, we should lynch him tonight. As I'm sure many of you also believe, I feel like we pretty much have our scum team based on who voted for Da Shan (Speedy) yesterday - Paco (Piratedave), Benito (Bob), and Katalina (Peanuts). Paco (Piratedave) is already confirmed scum, which shows that everything he said yesterday about being a third party - and all the crap that came afterward - was simple bluffing which he was trying to use to throw off the town. That said, I think his posts deserve reexamination to see if he was trying to point the finger away from anyone, so I'm looking through what he said now. Okay (not ok-ey) Okay (not ok-ey) fair enough, not saying that we shouldn´t turn our eyes from you but lets concentrate making benito regret the day he joined the bureau. I have a hard time think about this scum and 3rd party thing and how they have night killed, would it be 2 scum, 1 3rd party or 2 scum and 2 3rd party or just 3 scum. Because why would the 3rd party still join the scum and not change over to town when they see that we already know who the scum is? ( I haven´t really played much games with 3rd party so I don´t know so much about their winning conditions and what is their purpouse when they exist)
Lady K Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Okay (not ok-ey) Okay (not ok-ey) fair enough, not saying that we shouldn´t turn our eyes from you but lets concentrate making benito regret the day he joined the bureau. I have a hard time think about this scum and 3rd party thing and how they have night killed, would it be 2 scum, 1 3rd party or 2 scum and 2 3rd party or just 3 scum. Because why would the 3rd party still join the scum and not change over to town when they see that we already know who the scum is? ( I haven´t really played much games with 3rd party so I don´t know so much about their winning conditions and what is their purpouse when they exist) Is it possible that one of their conditions might be to convert as many townies and scum as possible and then get rid of those townies and scum that wouldn't convert over? By siding with scum at first (and lying to both sides) while taking over townies either by direct recruiting or by gaining their trust the third party most likely Ferraris will out live everyone else. Just a thought, because to me a kill on Tiffany made no sense. Sure she was annoying at times but she didn't pose a threat. So why? Unless... she wouldn't convert over or found out something about someone being a third party.
Bob Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 I'm voting for Bebe, since I believe she's scum. I urge all like minded townies to vote with me and lynch Bebe. Clearly, she is the smartest lynch target. Plus she's secretly a crossdressing FBI Agent.
Adam Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Is it possible that one of their conditions might be to convert as many townies and scum as possible and then get rid of those townies and scum that wouldn't convert over? By siding with scum at first (and lying to both sides) while taking over townies either by direct recruiting or by gaining their trust the third party most likely Ferraris will out live everyone else. Just a thought, because to me a kill on Tiffany made no sense. Sure she was annoying at times but she didn't pose a threat. So why? Unless... she wouldn't convert over or found out something about someone being a third party. Speculating about third parties is always a slippery slope: we don't know if they're there in the first place, and even then, what kind of third party is it? A serial killer? A jester? A cult? Whatever this third party's goals, we still have the scum to worry about. There's not much I can talk about, since I don't know more than any other townie here. I voted for Paco, but when the vote tally was made public, it said I had voted for Da-Shen. I tried to change my vote after that, but that got no result. No townie in their right mind would vote for Da-Shen, and I know the scum stole my vote, so they probably can't do that twice. Benito voting for Da-Shen is the last nail in his coffin, together with his obviously scummy behavior from yesterday. Did anybody else find that their vote was changed? If the scum did somehow steal your vote, why do you think they singled you out? How do you define "no result?" Was your claimed attempt to switch your vote to Paco (Piratedave) outright denied, or just ignored entirely? Your argument that your vote was “stolen” is a little hard to believe. I’ve been thinking about what Paco (Piratedave) said yesterday when he realized that he was doomed and began lying to save his skin and screw with us. There was nothing really illuminating, except maybe when he suggested that Benito (Bob) was actually the town vigilante. That was before he claimed to be a Ferrari serial killer, so it was probably an attempt to vouch for one of his scum buddies.
Peanuts Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 Did anybody else find that their vote was changed? If the scum did somehow steal your vote, why do you think they singled you out? How do you define "no result?" Was your claimed attempt to switch your vote to Paco (Piratedave) outright denied, or just ignored entirely? Your argument that your vote was “stolen” is a little hard to believe. I doubt they actively singled me out, I just don't think they could use that action more than once per night, or else our votes would be too powerless. No result means that nothing happened. There was no response at all and my vote stayed where it was in the public vote tally. Just a thought, because to me a kill on Tiffany made no sense. Sure she was annoying at times but she didn't pose a threat. So why? Unless... she wouldn't convert over or found out something about someone being a third party. Tiffany was an experienced player, who has been doing well in past games. It's very likely that's why she was killed. If she had found something out, she hopefully would have mentioned it to someone. And how would she have found out anything about third parties?
Calanon Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 I'm voting for Bebe, since I believe she's scum. I urge all like minded townies to vote with me and lynch Bebe. Clearly, she is the smartest lynch target. Plus she's secretly a crossdressing FBI Agent. You said earlier that you did stupid things yesterday because you were scared you were going to die. What now?
Bob Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 You said earlier that you did stupid things yesterday because you were scared you were going to die. What now? Same thing, except this time a clarification.
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