CorneliusMurdock Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 She was on a few suspect lists and I agreed with the points made against her. She wasn't a forerunner, though, and I figured she wouldn't be protected if the scum have a protector. I could have gone with Doggy, but he was already lynched. By the time my kill takes place, there isn't a lot of time to switch votes around. I was the other lynch suspect at the time. And I'm not sure killing myself is even possible.
Cecilie Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Whoa whoa, Colin, why are you claiming? Nobody has even placed a vote for you yet? A little rushed, don't you think? Well, not that you haven't been hinting your guts out that you have a night action all day night.
CorneliusMurdock Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 But Dad asked so very nicely. I also realized that there were enough candidates today that it would probably be in our best interest to get me out of the way now so we can focus on lynching scum. Sound good? Oh, we can also discuss who I can kill or if I should at all.
Kristel Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Good point about Dexter, but why did you not raise it up before until I decided to probe further into it? You were here and even responded to his post. And with regards to why only 4 and not Dexter, I suppose Terrence is the best person to answer that, he had contact with the hippie and he should know exactly how the list came about. I missed it the first time round. It was you leaving Adelaide off the list that prompted me to double check. Still begs the question, though, you did such a thorough analysis, yet missed that he hadn't included Dexter. So, do we even have an investigator? Kristina, did you have any contact with anyone that had a role other than protector? I'm getting the feeling, unless scum were pinpoint precise in their kills (scum roll cop?), that town was unusually weak to begin with. Believe so. Yes. Don't bother asking what and who. I'm not sharing that with the scum. Kristina, let me clarify. Was Patricia Person A? Sorry if you've already said. I'm in a hurry right now. No. Pay attention Dad. I've already clarified that Person A is still alive. 1. Kristia (On the hippie list, and everyone she contacts dies) 2. Peter (He's on the hippie list, and seems to be slidding by) 3. Dexter (While he's not on the hippie list, it may just be because he didn't say he was suspicious of Terrence. He was fighting with Patricia, who ended up dead yesterday. I think he may have killed her to shut her up. He seemed to be on the chopping block today, but I think the hippie list shiffted focus. If we don't nab the scum on the hippie list tonight, maybe Dexter will be on the block tomorrow) Why would you suggest that Dexter wasn't on the list because he wasn't suspicious of Terrence. I quoted the post where he said he was suspicious of Terrence. I guess it's convenient for you to ignore that. Also, why are you calling it the hippie list? Isn't it Terrence's list? We still don't know who Person A is/was. Why is it that the people I find the scummiest are asking the most for the identity of Person A? Why should Dexter be on the list? I asked how many scum listed me as their top three suspicions. I realize that I forgot to say that at first, but it should have been clear when I listed the five who listed me in those positions. Yes or no - did you write out a list of people for the hippie? Dexter should be on the list because he had you in his top three. I quoted that post above. Again, why did you leave off Dexter? I assume you prepared the list for the hippie. I find it hard to believe that you just asked the hippie how many people that were suspicious of you were scum. That would have required the hippie to go back and check who said what. If I was the hippie and you asked me to do that, I would have told you where to stick it. To the others' ideas, about Patricia being killed for being part of Kristina's group, maybe that's the case, and I'm just too up on myself. But without a wacky new role, I can't see how the scum knew she was part of the communications thingee. It really just strikes me as a ploy to delay the town one more day so that scum can claim victory. Who said the scum knew? Patricia thought that the scum might think Jamie or her were my person A. I've explained this before. I'll let you find that post yourself. I'm not prolific a poster so it shouldn't be too hard to find.
Cecilie Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 But Dad asked so very nicely. Speaking of Bernard, did he suddenly disappear? Oh, we can also discuss who I can kill or if I should at all. Not sure that is wise... I would assume scum have some way of countering the kill, either by a block or a protection. If it's a block, you're going to be useless now anyway, but if it's a protection, we don't want to give them any hints as to who to protect. Although I can appreciate how hard it is to make wise vig kill decisions alone. I'd suggest just looking at who's been highly suspected lately, and preferably by people you feel you can trust, wether they had to die to give you that trust or not, and go with that. Unless you think it's safer not to with our numbers the way they are right now... If we mess up our lynch and our vig kill today, I fear there won't be a tomorrow . But if we get two right, we'll be in a much better position than we are right now... Well, that was helpful, right? In any case, I think you should inform us of your target when there's no longer time to change it (when's your deadline, anyway?), assuming whatever counteractions scum might have will have the same deadline, so that we won't start a lynch on a person with death written all over them... Speaking of Bernard, did he suddenly disappear? Never mind, I see he's back
CorneliusMurdock Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 At first I was told the first 24 hours but that was later amended to anytime during the night. I imagine if I procrastinate enough, it will be in the conclusion of the night. So not really a firm deadline. If the scum have a way to counteract it, Tam probably waits for that too.
Captain Nemo Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Why would you suggest that Dexter wasn't on the list because he wasn't suspicious of Terrence. I quoted the post where he said he was suspicious of Terrence. I guess it's convenient for you to ignore that. Also, why are you calling it the hippie list? Isn't it Terrence's list? I wasn't suggesting that Dexter was not on the list--I know he wasn't on the list, and was just saying it since the other two people on my tri-list of suspects were on the Terrence list. Although, like you later say this is false, so Terrence may have supplied the names to the hippie rather than the other way around--which could be a reason why Dexter was not on the Terrence list. Either way, had I not missed your post about that, I would have just ammended my statment to say that Dexter was suspicious of Terrence--he'd still be a suspect of mine; like you are. I was calling it the Hippie list because it was not actually Terrence's list--all those names were provided by the God Hippie (According to Terrence); and Terrence is only relaying that info to the general public; for us to discuss/look over. Also its faster to type out, just saying. However you do point out that Dexter was also suspicious of Terrence, but didn't show up on the list--so I guess it is correct to call it the Terrence list--since it's his list of names; with one being verified as scum by the hippie. Obviously, Terrence is not telling us everything about the situation. Why is it that the people I find the scummiest are asking the most for the identity of Person A? I can't speak for everyone elses reasons, but I want to know about Person A because they are the only other person who can collaberate your claim as true. Everyone else who could collaborate your claim, is dead. That's what makes me suspicous of you. You can see me as scummy because of this, but I cannot understand how everyone can just follow along with this and not have even the slightest of doubts or desire to know complete picture.
Chillax Darth Frodo Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Speaking of Bernard, did he suddenly disappear? It's called work and class. Was there something specific you needed? I can't speak for everyone elses reasons, but I want to know about Person A because they are the only other person who can collaberate your claim as true. Everyone else who could collaborate your claim, is dead. That's what makes me suspicous of you. You can see me as scummy because of this, but I cannot understand how everyone can just follow along with this and not have even the slightest of doubts or desire to know complete picture. Guess what? I can corroborate her claim. I'm in communications with her behind the scenes now so leave Person A alone.
Captain Nemo Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Guess what? I can corroborate her claim. I'm in communications with her behind the scenes now so leave Person A alone. Good. There's now some evidence that that Kristina is telling the truth. I'm sure you know all about Person A.
Chillax Darth Frodo Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 I don't know any more than anybody else needs to know about Person A.
def Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Dexter and Candy, you just read all that and had no comment? Just flittered off to the writeboard to discuss? ...He wrote at 12:50 am on a Tuesday... apparently unaware of how names can show 'reading' for a while after leaving the page. Really? Bernard didn't know that? Let's wait for the vote to open.
Palathadric Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 How many scum claimed to he suspicious of me? I got my answer, and that there was only one scum supporting a Terrence lynch. The following people claimed to be suspicious of me: Bernard, Adelaide, Peter, Kristina, and Cebastien. We've got a scum in there, folks, and I think Kristina is the most likely one. Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Hold it there. You're approaching this all wrong. Assuming we have five or six scum and only one is on your list (which I believe should include Dexter as others have mentioned), why would you look for the one scum in a group of five, when there's likely 3 or 4 scum hidden in the remaining group of six. We should be looking for the scum not in the list, because our chances of getting them would be much better. Am I wrong? I think not. But feel free to prove it to me, if you can. That's an interesting riddle to start day four with. But at least it's pointing us in the right direction, being that one of those names is a scum person. On that list of names (Bernard, Adelaide, Peter, Kristina, and Cebastien) are some people I've suspected before, along with some other less suspicious people to me. Kristina has been on my list for a bit. I know I'm most likely on the outside of the majority here, but I could never really trust her communications ability, since it seemed almost too good to be true. Plus, it also seems that for some reason whoever she talks to ends up dead--so it could be a farse and she's in some kind of scum doublecross, or perhaps this Person A is scum? We still don't know who they are. Bernard is perhaps one of the most suspicious rude people on the list; that's for sure. Though he does quite honestly come off as an aggressive jerk townie to me, I can't say much towards his scumminess. Hopefully his watcher ability saw something last day, since it seems like it's a better lead then what Kristina is giving us. On the topic of Bernard, from his earlier post, I think I'm now open (As I wasn't previously) to his "full disclosure" idea--frainkly, what we've been doing for the past few days has not gotten any scum, so we need to try a new tactic. Peter is most likely the most suspicious person to me on that list. To be quite honest I almost forgot what he looked like--I haven't seen him say anything for a while. Which is strange since I remember him being more active early on but now he's trying to slide by? And finally there's Cebastien. He has not come off as scummy to me thusfar, and actually I think he's the most town like of those on the list; so I wouldn't want to lynch him while there's other more suspicious people on my mind. 1. Kristia (On the hippie list, and everyone she contacts dies) 2. Peter (He's on the hippie list, and seems to be slidding by) 3. Dexter (While he's not on the hippie list, it may just be because he didn't say he was suspicious of Terrence. He was fighting with Patricia, who ended up dead yesterday. I think he may have killed her to shut her up. He seemed to be on the chopping block today, but I think the hippie list shiffted focus. If we don't nab the scum on the hippie list tonight, maybe Dexter will be on the block tomorrow) You know, you're not making a lot of sense. Only one person on the list is scum, so why are you including in your list of top suspects, three people from the list? Do I agree with some of the points you made about the people? Maybe. But if you're going to believe what Terrence is saying then why would you put three people who voiced suspicions of him when only one can actually be scum? I have no qualms voting for you, and I think I will. So folks, the question is, are we going to believe Terrence or not? If so, then I think we should look for the three or four scum hiding in the group of six (not counting Dexter). This group consists of: Myself Cap'n Rolfe Candy Priscilla Colin Terrence Now I know that I'm not scum, and if we're trusting Terrence we can assume he's not scum. So that means that three or four out of the remaining four, are scum. Genius, aren't I? Sorry, I meant to say four or five scum at the beginning not five or six. So my suggestion would either be to lynch Terrence or lynch one of the other four mentioned as, as I see it, either he is scum or they are.
Peanuts Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 The only other person who was even around when the riddle was posted was Peter. It is, of course, possible that his account was idle and he didn't read it until later but he and I were the only ones here when the riddle was first posted. Yep, I was around. I also got the answer in correctly. But being drugged and sleepy, I wasn't allowed to solve the riddle. I have to read the whole crystal ball/hardhat story again more thoroughly to get through what you actually said, but I didn't receive any item. Apparently I was wrong about the kills; the day kill seems to be the scum kill, and the night kill the vig/SK. Which Colin has claimed, if I understand it correctly. He claimed vig, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was the SK. His behavior definitely has been odd. So according to Terrence one of me, Bernard, Kristina and Cebastian is scum. I believe Kristina, and Bernard gives me a town read most of the time, so I'd lean on Cebastian. And Terrence of course. I still don't trust him. I'm still suspicious of Rolfe. It's convenient that his two suspicions are me and Kristina, and he avoids the hyper-aggressive head of the family and the person I think to be most likely scum out of the lot. I am inclined to believe Dexter is town, but there's no way of being sure of that. Even though he kept arguing with Patricia, who is now confirmed to be town. I am also suspicious of Candy. Her general fluffiness and lack of elaboration on the topics she talked about make me think she is scum, not ever trying to say too much of substance that could be used against her. I don't have a read on Penelope right now. I used to eb suspicious of her, but now I think she might be town. Her suggestion to focus on the rest that contains more than one scum is a fairly good one. My read on Priscilla is neutral to town, she seems to be genuinely trying to help. Of course, I might be wrong about that, it's a very weak read. My top three: 1. Cebastian 2. Terrence 3. Rolfe
CorneliusMurdock Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Even if we believe Terrence to be telling the truth, I don't think anyone besides yourself would think you're in the clear, 5-0. I think we have better leads than voting off someone just to test out your theory. Though it is likely that we'll be getting rid of at least one person from your list today. Oh, hey Pete. You want to talk about odd behavior, let's talk about someone lurking all the time and when he pops in, his list of suspects includes just about everybody. Covering your bases?
Peanuts Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Oh, hey Pete. You want to talk about odd behavior, let's talk about someone lurking all the time and when he pops in, his list of suspects includes just about everybody. Covering your bases? I wasn't here since the night started, and I took some time to catch up on the 83 posts that had happened. Also, my suspicions were Cebastian, Terrence, Rolfe and Candy. How's that "just about everybody"? I said you might be the SK, but I can't say I believe you to be scum.
Palathadric Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Even if we believe Terrence to be telling the truth, I don't think anyone besides yourself would think you're in the clear, 5-0. I think we have better leads than voting off someone just to test out your theory. Though it is likely that we'll be getting rid of at least one person from your list today. In any case, if we believe Terrence, you have three or four chances out of five of getting scum by voting according to my list. That's pretty good odds. Besides, most of them are pretty darn suspicious. Personally, I think Candy is the most suspicious, but I may vote Priscilla first. Frankly, it seems likely that she's scum whether or not Terrence is telling the truth. If he's lying, then she seems a party to his lie, by also leaving out Dexter, who by rights would probably be their scummy buddy. If Terrence is town though, then she's still in the list of more likely scum (if you are going by my 3 or 4 out of 5 thing), probably wasn't paying attention to Terrence's mistake because of a lack of interest, and has been unhelpful all throughout this period. I think Priscilla would make a pretty good lynch candidate.
CorneliusMurdock Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Well, I suppose it might not be obvious to everyone, but how likely is it that there are two killers and neither is town aligned? I tried to be as responsible as possible with my action. Who do you think a SK would have gone after?
Palathadric Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Well, I suppose it might not be obvious to everyone, but how likely is it that there are two killers and neither is town aligned? I tried to be as responsible as possible with my action. Who do you think a SK would have gone after? I do tend to agree with you. I've always thought of the zombie kills as being more "vig-y" than "SK-y." I just don't know if we can really take your word for it that you are the zombie killer.
CorneliusMurdock Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 It'd be easy enough for the vig to come forward if it wasn't me. Why would I make such a bold claim? I could also prove it by revealing my target early. It's been pointed out that the scum may have a way to prevent it in that case. I could promise not to kill tonight and then you'd know as well. Of course, that wastes an opportunity if we have a good suspect. Oh, or how about this: "Urgharghunnh!" See! I sound just like him. Pete, about your list, why isn't Candy in your top three? You said for Cebastian and Terrence that you "lean on" them. You didn't even give each a full paragraph like you did for Candy. Why are you less suspicious of Candy than the other two?
Captain Nemo Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 You know, you're not making a lot of sense. Only one person on the list is scum, so why are you including in your list of top suspects, three people from the list? Do I agree with some of the points you made about the people? Maybe. But if you're going to believe what Terrence is saying then why would you put three people who voiced suspicions of him when only one can actually be scum? I have no qualms voting for you, and I think I will. Well while there is only one confirmed scum on the Terrence list (Which you are right, is only true if believed, though I'm starting to feel like it's false--get to that in a minute), I still don't know who is the scum is--I'm suspicious of those three, and even if multiple people I'm suspicious of are on the Terrence list, that doesn't mean I'm just going to pick one of them and leave the others assuming I've snagged the right person. I'm suspicious of them all, and since I cannot yet determane which of the three is the scum, they stay on my list. However, just recently, from talks here, I am more inclined to question the Terrence list, since Dexter, who was also suspicious of Terrence for some reason did not show up on the list. I'm not sure I can trust his list; since it now appears that he was the one who provided the names rather then being given them by the hippie.
Palathadric Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 I may have missed your writing it, Terrence, but could you post the exact wording of what you asked the hippie. You don't need to quote. If he's already done so, could somebody direct me to the place, I must have missed it.
Chillax Darth Frodo Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 I do tend to agree with you. I've always thought of the zombie kills as being more "vig-y" than "SK-y." I just don't know if we can really take your word for it that you are the zombie killer. Why not? Even I believe him. Colin, your game has sucked sorry, but I won't be voting for you.
CorneliusMurdock Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Colin, your game has sucked I did apologize for that earlier and I remember someone oinking. How am I doing now? Honestly, though, I don't think this has been your best game either. So I guess we can just move on now? sorry, but I won't be voting for you. Aw, now I'll never be mayor.
Palathadric Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 Honestly, though, I don't think this has been your best game either. Funny, I don't recall him ever "playing" before now.
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