Mafia After Dark - Day 4: Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels

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I've been trying to avoid fighting, and Patricia has made up her mind, so there isn't a lot of of use in engaging her, especially when she's trying to get a rise out of me. That's just the way it is.

I postulated a plan to lynch Bryan, and then said I wanted to know his allegiance results. So she says I didn't want to know Shane's because I already knew it because I already knew it since I'm scum. That's inane, and I already explained my interpretation last night before she asked me to. I don't feel any need to tell her again, not with the attitude she's taken with me. If you act like an megablocks to someone, you can't be surprised if they drop out of the conversation.

I've been trying to help us take out these stupid Ferraris from the start of day one, a lot more than some, but feel free to lynch me since I didn't publicly wonder about Shane's allegiance

[Pandora]

I don't recall saying the investigator should out themselves. I certainly didn't expect anyone to be so stupid to out themselves just to tell us one result.

Then what did you think would happen with the investigator investigating Dogbreath? The second most suspicious person (you can take that on the votes if not on my opinion) is the one you want investigating, so you're happy to let the result quietly slide by while a big question mark remains over his head, not knowing if he's been investigated or what the result is? And you were posturing about action and about how we must catch the Ferraris, yet he's ok to go completely unquestioned by you and just be investigated and dealt with later when (which is never) it's "safe" for the investigator to come forward? You should know better.

but feel free to lynch me since I didn't publicly wonder about Shane's allegiance

Yes that's absolutely the only issue I have with you.

[Kristel]

I'm aware of everything you just told me. With that tone, though, I have half a mind to turn you over my knee. What I'm wondering is why aren't more people, besides the second most suspicious and horribly dressed person among us, wondering the same thing I am about how Dogfoodcan would know Kristina found Shane suspicious.

Yes, this is a possibility. Except I'm not acting like I haven't caught up, this is a new question. I have half a mind to turn you over my knee! Can anybody think of a way Dogfoodcan would know Kristina was suspicious of Shane without Person A and Dogfoodcan talking in private? I've already mentioned that if Shane knew Kristina felt that way, it's possible Shane told Dogfoodcan himself.

I did not review the days very well. Was their some other "skirmish" between Kristina and Shane as Dogfoodcan alluded to? Or was that the one sentence in question that Kristina posted.

If Kristina is suspicious of Dogfoodcan because he knew she was suspicious of Shane, then there is something missing in her analysis: the quest to find out how he would know that. We all lynched him on the basis that he knew more than he should, so why isn't everybody asking how he would know. Why aren't more people suspicious of Person A or trying to get to the bottom of it.

Unfortunately, I've got lectures to go to, so this will need to be quick.

A couple of things that need to be pointed out:

• I had found Dogukan suspicious prior to all this and had voted for him on Night 2. This vote was switched to Byron in the interest of getting a result for the night. This happened before the Dog's post about me having a bone to pick with Shane.
  
• I thought Shane was scum. The logical conclusion for me at that time was that Shane and the Dog were scum buddies and that is how he knew. The other option was that Person A had mentioned this to the Dog.
  
• Shane was killed by the vig (most likely), not scum.
  
• I don't know if I am the only one with the ability to start conversations.
  

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Yes that's absolutely the only issue I have with you.

I apologize formally, madam. I wanted Dogukan investigated too Really, in a no-PM game, lots of people should be suggesting possible investigations, rather than one person, and two people agreeing with it. That is why the people who agreed with me look a little scummy to me. As I said, start a lynch on me. When I come up town, you can say oops! And the scum will have a laugh. Will you be laughing too?

[Palathadric]

What I'm trying to ask is whether Dogfood is still the best lynch, since it seems like most of the suspicion surrounding him was based off of Kristina's case.

Dad, Doggy knowing about Kristina's conversations is exactly why we all think he's scum. What is with you today?

Eh? Most of the suspicion was because of Kristina? I beg to differ. I think most people would have gladly voted him over Byron on our second night here, but some were worried about us not getting any lynch at all. I think very few people found Byron more suspicious than Dogukan until some started suggesting that others were trying to get the lynch away from Byron.

Furthermore, I would find Kristina's testimony highly unconvincing if I did not already suspect Dogukan seriously. On another note, if Kristina was scum, she would have known that Shane was not, and would probably not have based a lying accusation on one scum blabbing to another if she knew that the suspected scum would turn up town before the voting got underway.

Accept that, I'm different, as in that I'm spectacular, but anyways...I don't think my attitude/activity in the early days nights was terrible, not perfect but not terrible. Frainkly thus far it seems like there's no activity from anyone, so yes a bit hypocritical. Though I will admit, that waffely-ness does seem to run in my family (As does townieness--though really your meta-gaming me off of three games, one of which I lived one day, the other four, and the third I just scrapped by; so this pattern is not very good), and I do change opinions quick, based off of new information that I find out about--I don't see why that makes people think I'm scummy, if anything it just shows that I'm a townie whose trying to choose right. On the Jamie thing, it seems I was mixed up on who he placed his emphisis towards. There's lots of stuff going on, and I mess up some times. Ergo, spectacular Candy is not so spectacular (But still a little).

On the Kristina note, I am interested in who Person A is, and I don't know why others are not. The entire situation, with the exception of one off hand comment from Dogfoodbowl (Like all of his comments), was brought about and told to us by Kristina. We know only what she is telling us from the events, and we know that some person, whoever A is, also knows something. That Person A is the only person who can add in new information and perspective to what Kristina is telling us. We only have one side of this puzzle rather than two. And frainkly I wasn't even thinking about the protector thing, since it was only mentioned in passing by Kristina that she was told by Person A that said person was a protector (I cannot be sure about that, and you don't seem sure about it either); though obviously outing the protector would be a bad thing, we are still getting little information.

Metagaming? I'm not metagaming anything. I don't recall having even been in a similar situation as this with you before.

I don't know how much perspective we can get from Person A. Either Person A told Dogukan or not. If Person A did tell Dogukan he must be scum, if not then chances are that he's town, and if he's town he's more than likely the protector.

So Patricia is suspicious of Dogukan, Dexter, Colin, Rolfe, Terrence and Candy, and Penelope did not even say how similar her list is compared to Patricia. 0-100% similar?

I would like to think Penelope is buying time as to who she should suspect. Penelope's hesitance doesn't sit well with me.

Penelope finally listed Rolfe, Candy and Colin as his suspects. Taking all her suspicions together, we can see that Penelope is suspicious of Dogukan, Dexter, Colin, Rolfe, Terrence and Candy. Rolfe, Terrence and Dexter voted for Byron and the other 3 did not vote for Byron.

Penelope, care to explain why you said "Oddly enough, most of my suspects did not end up voting for Byron" when it is rather clear that half of your suspicions voted for Byron?

Yeah, I'm relatively suspicious of all of those fellows. Some less than others. I didn't really think of Dexter as being scum at all until his suggestion of the investigator targeting Dogukan, but I still don't really think he's scum. Most of my list was also based on what I saw before Night 3, and I would've possibly added Bernard to the list for his ultra-quietness until he had his mental turnaround.

Still, I did find it odd that out of five suspects, three were from the five that did not vote for Byron, and only two were from the nine that did.

Well, it wasn't actually very clear, but okay...

Nice use of the words 'ever' and 'but'.

I'm sorry, I don't follow at all. Is this supposed to be telling somehow, or do you just like the way I used the words?

I would like to think you made up your list along the way after seeing the lists of others but can you clear that up for me? Also what is your opinion on Dexter and Terrence? I don't think I have read your opinions on them, perhaps you could point them out to me?

Why would you like to think that I made up a list? I have not gotten around to talking about Dexter and Terrence, I've been on duty, but in case you didn't realize I was just working my way through people in alphabetical order. When I first listed that my list was similar to Patricia's it wasn't that I had seriously contemplated much, but I looked at her list and I thought, yep I do find most of those people pretty suspicious. Later on I decided to take a more in-depth look at each person to clarify my mind a bit. I got through the first couple and decided to post my thoughts so everyone else could benefit.

Thanks for working on my section.

[Pandora]

Really, in a no-PM game, lots of people should be suggesting possible investigations, rather than one person, and two people agreeing with it.

We could suggest everybody! That might happen if lots of people suggest possible investigations.

Or... we could just let the investigator get on with their business without indicating to the scum what they should do, and thus allow them to be able to interpret their result with a higher degree of confidence. This is even assuming they're still alive, of course. And ignoring how they'd get their results to the rest of us to make use of them.

And just because you state something as how things "should" be, doesn't make it so. People read what you write (and you know this very well) and think 'oh, that Dexter, he's very knowledgeable about this stuff, so what he says must be correct', but it isn't, there are fundamental flaws in your logic. I know you don't like it, or me, for it, but my job is to point that out.

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Or... we could just let ...

Got it. I say 'should' when suggesting things, you say 'could just let.' The problem was grammatical. My strategy in a no-PM game is to be a little more public. Why, Bernard even suggested everyone outing themselves! But that didn't raise an eyebrow with you

[Pandora]

Got it. .... snip....

And that definitely rings a bell.

The problem isn't grammatical, Dexter.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

I apologize formally, madam. I wanted Dogukan investigated too Really, in a no-PM game, lots of people should be suggesting possible investigations, rather than one person, and two people agreeing with it. That is why the people who agreed with me look a little scummy to me. As I said, start a lynch on me. When I come up town, you can say oops! And the scum will have a laugh. Will you be laughing too?

Your quarrel with Patricia aside, I do think it's a fair question: "What did you learn from Byron's affiliation being revealed?"

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Your quarrel with Patricia aside, I do think it's a fair question: "What did you learn from Byron's affiliation being revealed?"

I already explained my interpretation last night before she asked me to.

It's in the early part of day three.

I was hoping he was scum, as it would leave a trail to some suspicious voting. He wasn't, and it didn't tell us much, other than that Byron has a bad habit of getting lynched. Therefore, I was much more interested in those results. It seems common sense to me, but I realize opinions will vary.

Back to work. We can continue the Great Byron Debate later if need be.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Then what did you think would happen with the investigator investigating Dogbreath? The second most suspicious person (you can take that on the votes if not on my opinion) is the one you want investigating, so you're happy to let the result quietly slide by while a big question mark remains over his head, not knowing if he's been investigated or what the result is? And you were posturing about action and about how we must catch the Ferraris, yet he's ok to go completely unquestioned by you and just be investigated and dealt with later when (which is never) it's "safe" for the investigator to come forward? You should know better.

And I never said we should let him slide. At the time, I didn't find him suspicious enough to lynch. A few of us obviously agreed or he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did. And even if a vote were to start on him, Doggy had a habit of squeezing his way out of things. He could be sly when he tried. It was not a guarantee that he'd be lynched. An investigation result on someone as slippery as him would have been useful later.

And I explained in my previous post when I envisioned that later time to be: when the investigator had several results to give us that could sway the game or he or she could be assured of protection.

Do you think if we didn't have Kristina that an investigator should never, ever come forward? What would be the point in having one if they never actually let anyone else know of their results? I understand the difficulties brought about by the lack of privacy in this situation, but eventually they would have come forward or resign themselves to remain useless to us.

[Tamamono]

August 26th, 2005

New Brickland, Florida

Noon.

It's lunchtime again, and a hungry Patricia sits on a park bench, unsure of what to do with her life now.

"Man, what am I going to do now that Byron's dead!?" she asks no one in particular, "Sure, he was a pain in the megablocks and a complete moron, but I loved the man!"

She doesn't notice the well-dressed dark figure walking slowly behind her.

"Well hello there, young lady!" the figure greets, surprising her.

"Hello... what's with the wrench?" Patricia replies cautiously.

"Wrench?? What wrench?? I don't see a wrench here!" the figure says nervously, hiding the wrench behind its back, "I sure would like a wrench right now!"

"Why?" Patricia asks, certainly not soothed by the figure's demeanor.

"Who knows!!" the figure blurts out.

"Hey, you know what you should do about your lost beau?" the figure begins, "Throw a coin in the fountain and make a wish for him to come back to life! That'll help, I'm certain of it."

"Wow, even though you're a pretty shady individual and I probably shouldn't turn my back to you, that's a great idea! I should totally do that." Patricia exclaims, hopping off the bench.

"Man, all I have is this $100 dollar bill I stole from Dogfoodcan's corpse. I wonder if this will buy me more Byr-Byr's??" Patricia wonders aloud. "What if it brings him back to life!?"

Although what Patricia needs right now is to be brought back to life herself.

The dark figure lands a solid hit on the back of Patricia's head, knocking her right out.

She lands in the fountain, and, being unable to move, drowns quickly.

That is the end of Patricia Lillium (Pandora).

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24 hours until Sunset.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

I think this leaves certain people at the top of the suspect list. Yes, yes. There's always the possibility that the Scum team wanted to implicate Dexter by taking out Patricia, but she had a pretty solid list of suspects with sound reasoning.

This is, of course, assuming she's Scum. Hopefully Patricia had drawn the attention of our Watcher by being so vocal. Does this mean all Actions have been submitted and the new Night can start??

Argh!!! It is almost the 24 hour mark. That means the day's about to start. My CP was all messed up and I couldn't tell what time anything was happening, but I've corrected that. I'm on Central Time now, whatever that means. Now I can see the Day is almost over.

Someone came to me, they know who they are, and offered me my choice of invention. I could either protect myself or choose a Watching Action. I'm glad I didn't protect myself.

[TrumpetKing]

Bernard, so you were given a watching ability? What were you able to deduce from that that's so helpful? I'm honestly quite confused, would you mind clarifying?

Now, to start my analysis of Priscilla.

Night One

"Mr. Nuccitelli, it's your ever so hardworking secretary Priscilla. I hope you didn't forget me because today is the Tuesday 23 August and I am supposed to get my pay check on Monday. My nails need some tender loving manicure and lots of retail therapy after a hard day's work in office."

Those Ferrari moles better not get in my way because I get upset and cry easily and there goes all my expensive foundation, eyeliners and mascara!

The warranted fluffy beginning of the night post.

So you are not for policy lynch but is willing to do it anyway?

A question to Adelaide, providing nothing else, though I suppose the was nothing else to provide.

What information can we gain from the voting patterns if we were to policy lynch tonight?

I think the keyword here is 'policy' which I am not a great fan of. Policy lynching will lead us nowhere, because we will be back to the same situation the next night with nothing to go on. I am definitely all for lynching tonight because it sets us up for vote and behavioural analysis in the future.

Now, I'm personally not for a policy lynch either, but here she suggests we'll have no behavioral analysis for the future, which I don't see true at all. Priscilla didn't give us much to learn from her at all night one, and she said that she was all for a lynch, but didn't bother to vote or list any suspicions.

[TrumpetKing]

Day Two

Oddly, Priscilla didn't speak at all Day Two.

Night Two

I did not receive any suggestions from Tam that I should sleep during the day. The reason why I did not post over the course of Day 2 is because Tam moved us along to Night 2 before I had a chance to post in Day 2.

I have been keeping my eye on Colin, after a tiff with Shane, Colin summed it up on Night 1 by saying he was suspicious of Shane,

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But sat by and did nothing over the course of Day 2, only making the first post that doesn't mean anything to me.

So Colin, are you still suspicious of Shane?

Just a quick explanation of her strange absence, and a question to Colin.

It's speculation at this point and I am taking all possibilities into consideration. Since Donny turns out to be a Malone, did he spot something that we didn't in the midst of all the discussion about policy lynching last night? Donny didn't get a chance to reveal what was 'really happening' but I would guess that if Donny was killed because of that, it might be something for us to work with.

I don't quite understand this. Did I miss something when Donny said he saw something? She's just speculating, but this has been the best post we've seen from her that she's made when she said this. (Note this comes after the former quote).

Right now, the person that doesn't sit well with me is Colin. Colin called Byron out during Night 1 for roleplaying and then justified his actions by stating that he intended to get everyone to talk so as to weed out scum. Colin said he was suspicious of Shane but just sat around, did little to justify his initial suspicions. I feel more justified if my vote goes to Colin but seeing how he wouldn't get lynched tonight, and we need to lynch, I Vote: The Great Byron (Bob)

As for Shane's death, looks like we have to deal with a zombie killer now, which makes me think that it is more likely to be a sk/independent kill.

Another useful post she's made, she decides to make a case towards Colin. It's not a terrible case, but I don't see how pursuing everybody to talk more to weed out scum is a bad thing. Priscilla spent this night being rather quiet but still more helpful than the previous night. I'm not sure what to think as of this triad of posts.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

Where's the new night thread? Are my calculations off?

[Tamamono]

Where's the new night thread? Are my calculations off?

Days last for 48 hours, Dad.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

Um...what?

I thought I checked and someone told me specifically that it was the 24 hour mark.

[TrumpetKing]

Day Three

I was suspicious of you yesterday because it seemed to me that you had a soft finger point at Shane to make it look like you are 'doing something'. It's your behaviour, Colin, that caught my attention, nothing to do with Shane.

Just to clarify, Kristina, this Person A is a 'they'?

She's staying with her case on Colin, and it makes sense, except since her suspicion is on Colin for his supposed "soft point" on Shane, then I'd say it does have to do with Shane, but I also feel I'm looking too far into it.

Oh, and as Kristina explained, "they" can be used as a singular word. I'm very unsettled by your quietness, and while I'm no place to say that, it seems like you have little substance so far other than maybe 2 posts

[TrumpetKing]

Night Three

Here's the three I am suspicious with:

Colin - As I've outlined earlier in previous days.

Dogukan - I am not going to repeat what others have said before, but I am going to add this:

I am not sure why as to he would post in the day thread if he was told to go to sleep. The lynch only occurs in the night so he always have the opportunity to come by night time to say whatever he wanted to say. He said he would be back later but I guess we are still waiting.

Rolfe -

Interesting to note that change in position.

Now you list him as one of your suspects. What changed? Twice?

The only new thing she adds here is her case against Rolfe, which I'm not 100% is new either, I think a few people brought up his scumminess beforehand as well.

Bernard asked for a list of suspects and why so that's the whole purpose of the post. Bernard is basically asking everyone for a nice summary of their own suspicions i.e. to repeat themselves and repeat what has been already said.

Well, not everyone repeated themselves, because I am surprised to say Terrence had me on his list for some metagame reason. I don't really know who Terrence is, I don't think he called my name or talked to me for the past few days and he is suddenly suspicious of me. I believe the reason he had for being suspicious of me is because of me being one of the people here whom he never really noticed.

Terrence had a lot to say about Adelaide and Cebastian, but I managed to somehow made it to his list of suspects even though I can't find anywhere he explained why I was suspicious, other than some metagame reason and "people here whom he never really noticed". Can you fill me up on this Terrence? Also, at this point into all the discussions, you are still metagaming?

I guess everyone listed their suspicions except for Dogukan. But while revisiting what had happened, I realised that Penelope's behaviour is rather interesting.

Her first post is this:

So Patricia is suspicious of Dogukan, Dexter, Colin, Rolfe, Terrence and Candy, and Penelope did not even say how similar her list is compared to Patricia. 0-100% similar?

Second post:

I would like to think Penelope is buying time as to who she should suspect. Penelope's hesitance doesn't sit well with me.

Nice use of the words 'ever' and 'but'. Penelope seemed to agree with Adelaide's list as well (Dogukan, Terrence, Rolfe).

Penelope finally listed Rolfe, Candy and Colin as his suspects. Taking all her suspicions together, we can see that Penelope is suspicious of Dogukan, Dexter, Colin, Rolfe, Terrence and Candy. Rolfe, Terrence and Dexter voted for Byron and the other 3 did not vote for Byron.

Penelope, care to explain why you said "Oddly enough, most of my suspects did not end up voting for Byron" when it is rather clear that half of your suspicions voted for Byron? I would like to think you made up your list along the way after seeing the lists of others but can you clear that up for me? Also what is your opinion on Dexter and Terrence? I don't think I have read your opinions on them, perhaps you could point them out to me?

I forgot to respond to you, and I'm sorry for that. Frankly, yes, the post was meta, but it's not like I'm lying. I feel you're acting very similar to your last scum game, and you're reeking to me. I'm analyzing your posts and I'm starting to think you are scummy too, so it's not entirely meta anymore, if it pleases you. It's also meta, but I'm surprised that you say you don't know me, considering the last two games I played we were on scum teams together, surely you'd know me by then. I an assure you, I've gotten to know your scum behavior, and you're starting to smell of it. And is there anything wrong with meta at this stage? There isn't really anything wrong with meta ever if it leads to a successful scum catch. Oh hmmm, look at that. Your second and third paragraphs (both about me) are basically the exact same thing, phrased differently.

As for your case on Penelope, I don't currently see anything wrong with it at the moment.

I'm really not liking Priscilla right now. Very quiet, very repetitive, and not a lot of substance to her speeches.

I had to be away on Saturday (AEST) for the whole day. Sorry that I forgot to vote, my vote was going to be on Dogukan along with my post.

I was catching up and I realised something interesting. Seemed like someone attempted to cast suspicion on someone who was defendless at that time.

That's helpful.

No, he wasn't trying to cast suspicion on you, he was saying he thought it was odd that even though you knew you were going to be gone the rest of the night, you didn't cast a vote, and frankly, I agree.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

Terrence, while your Priscilla story is nice, and I agree with a good portion of what you're saying, because she is different from normal and you're pointing out valid suspicions, you're only adding substance now that you've been called out for posting fluff. Although my suspicion of you does wane a little. However, I need to look more closely at what you're saying about Priscilla before taking you off of my list. You were pretty fluffy early on here.

We need to look at Dexter, Rolfe and Colon now that Patricia has been murdered.

Also, would it make any sense to see who is being the quietest while the others argue. How easy would it be to implicate three Townies is Patricia was wrong about all three? Or would the Scum need to go after the threats now and feel more comfortable doing so with their small lead. Unless Adelaide and Dogfoodcan both turn up Scum, then they'd really need to remove the smarter threats.

Still, we need to consider the fact that Patricia was killed just to implicate innocent Townies. I don't know though, I trust Patricia's judgement and agreed with her suspicions. Perhaps we should lynch Colon today. Maybe the Night Actions will bring us some results. Since mine was an invention, I certainly don't mind sharing it. I checked with God and it's too late for Night Actions to change, so unless I was already blocked, they can't switch their block to me after I announced that I had it.

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Gah. I honestly have mixed feelings about this. Patricia must have been town (or SK) since the tuxedo killer has to be the scum, but at the same time, she was really goddam annoying. Her accusations weren't the most annoying thing, but her attempt to do it in an annoying way. The intent always hurts more than the action. Today was the closest she came to having an ounce of courtesy with me. Regardless, if someone had to die last night, better her than me.

The numbers are getting low, and the first thing that comes to mind is Colin. He is next up for lynch, unless something drastic draws attention away from him. Patricia's endless need to squabble with me might be what the scum were looking for.

[Cecilie]

Still, we need to consider the fact that Patricia was killed just to implicate innocent Townies. I don't know though, I trust Patricia's judgement and agreed with her suspicions. Perhaps we should lynch Colon today. Maybe the Night Actions will bring us some results. Since mine was an invention, I certainly don't mind sharing it. I checked with God and it's too late for Night Actions to change, so unless I was already blocked, they can't switch their block to me after I announced that I had it.

Wait, are you saying you watched Patricia? Then maybe we will have caught us a killer!

I have no doubt Patricia must have been on to something if the scum chose to kill her. The question is just how much she was on to... And the fact that she was having quite a bit of a disagreement with Dexter is interesting. Argh, scum are playing tricks with our minds, aren't they?

The numbers are getting low, and the first thing that comes to mind is Colin. He is next up for lynch, unless something drastic draws attention away from him. Patricia's endless need to squabble with me might be what the scum were looking for.

Is he now? If Dogukan turns up scum, then the whole shenanigans with you wanting him investigated certainly becomes more interesting... Although the same applies to Colin... Hmm...

I need to think this over...

And Terrance suddenly coming out and making a case against Priscilla now that he's being scrutinized makes me uneasy. I've seen this kind of scenario before. A scum member is getting heat for not contributing much or only fluff, then they suddenly make a more convincing case about someone, and bam, all suspicions on them disappear, "oh, ok, I see you're trying to help. You must be town after all". For all I know, Priscilla is your scum buddy and you've planned this all out... Yeah, better keep an eye on both of you...

[Kristel]

And I never said we should let him slide. At the time, I didn't find him suspicious enough to lynch. A few of us obviously agreed or he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did. And even if a vote were to start on him, Doggy had a habit of squeezing his way out of things. He could be sly when he tried. It was not a guarantee that he'd be lynched. An investigation result on someone as slippery as him would have been useful later.

I'm confused by this statement because I'm pretty sure he was lynched at the first opportunity. And you were the first to put a vote on him.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Why would I need to have Patricia killed? I think I was doing quite fine arguing away her points. Her own viewpoint had it's own holes that she didn't consider and that I pointed out in my last post.

I'm confused by this statement because I'm pretty sure he was lynched at the first opportunity. And you were the first to put a vote on him.

No, this happened the day before, didn't it?

I placed the first vote, yes. And that was because of your statements about him.

I'm sorry, I just looked back and you're right. The conversation happened Day 3 and we would not have had the opportunity to vote until the next night. Which is why the days and nights being backwards for no apparent reason is just confusing and doesn't really serve a purpose.

But as I pointed out, this was before your revelations about your role and Doggy's knowledge of stuff. I think a fair number of us wouldn't have found him half as suspicious before then.