Paul Boratko Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Considering that Barry has them posted online for Free..? This thief is also selling one of mine... I don't care if people build my models and sell them, but I draw the line with reselling instructions... Quote
OleBM Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 This guy is obviously taking some VERY unethical shortcuts to making money. Do you have any kinds of trademark in your instructions on your site Paul Boratko? Because this is a massive violation against copyright rules.. Quote
Paul Boratko Posted April 11, 2013 Author Posted April 11, 2013 Yes, we have a Copyright on every page... I am more concerned about Barry's because he has them here for free... Quote
Ape Fight Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Hi Paul Just a quick question; you've actually copy-righted every page?! As in, your pages are protected by law? Quote
skylinedan Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Some people just don't care, this could be a case of stupidity on his part not knowing this is not cool. Dan Quote
Paul Boratko Posted April 11, 2013 Author Posted April 11, 2013 Hi Paul Just a quick question; you've actually copy-righted every page?! As in, your pages are protected by law? Well, we have a trademark on every page... Quote
OleBM Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Hi Paul Just a quick question; you've actually copy-righted every page?! As in, your pages are protected by law? Everything you make, design, create, compose, etc. are protected by the laws of copyright as long as it is a registered trademark and you have proof that the "design" is yours. As the owner of the copyright, you're entitled to entirely control distribution of rights, including the right to decide general distribution. Quote
OleBM Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 As for Barry's engine instructions, it does not matter if his instructions are for free. He has the "right of origin" (dunno what this is called in english). I can see out of his brickshelf account that he can clearly state that this is his work, meaning that no one may redistribute this without his approval. He even has pictures of his engine in well-known magazines, making this quite easy for him to prove Quote
Someonenamedjon Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Oh those cheepos....trying to make quick money.. Quote
Technic Gearhead Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) He is selling Paul's instructions for his transmissions also. Shameless... It's listed under Technic instructions. Edited April 12, 2013 by Technic Gearhead Quote
Blakbird Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 He has 0 feedback rating (1 positive and 1 negative makes nothing). Report him to Bricklink and I'm sure they'll get rid of him. How did you find out about it? Quote
Paul Boratko Posted April 12, 2013 Author Posted April 12, 2013 He has 0 feedback rating (1 positive and 1 negative makes nothing). Report him to Bricklink and I'm sure they'll get rid of him. How did you find out about it? Someone from Germany sent me an e-mail and link earlier today... Quote
nychase Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 He has 0 feedback rating (1 positive and 1 negative makes nothing). Report him to Bricklink and I'm sure they'll get rid of him. How did you find out about it? Speaking of that... I wish there was an easy way to report a store. (If there is just tell me). But similar to how craigslist allows you to "flag" posts you should be able to easily and instantly get rid of these A$$ holes. On that note, I have built the V8 in Yellow and Orange (yeah) and its a fantastic model. Would have happily payed 10 dollars for the instructions. Quote
legolijntje Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 Wow, stupid me. I saw this guy (girl?) selling this instructions like 1 or 2 weeks ago and I thought "I should report this, because they are from Barman and free", but then I totally forgot it Quote
Balrog Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 Someone from Germany sent me an e-mail and link earlier today... That was me who told you. I also told Barry by sending him a message through the Forum. He already contacted the seller and told him to stop. This is really mean to make profit illegally from other people's stuff. That is why I notified you guys immediately. Quote
Krize Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 I reported both instructions. This link can be used: http://www.bricklink.com/problemInventory.asp Via admin@bricklink.com you can report shops. Quote
Strikeman Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 I sent him a message in Dutch and I've also reported him to bricklink. This is appalling Quote
Balrog Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) I reported both instructions. This link can be used: http://www.bricklink...emInventory.asp Via admin@bricklink.com you can report shops. If you report a lot item via this link, it cannot be reported again. Edited April 12, 2013 by Balrog Quote
TasV Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 You don't need to state anywhere that things you produce are covered by copyright laws. There are internationally recognised laws that prevent ANYONE from using ANYTHING that isn't their own intellectual property. The only reason people do print it is to remind people that it is wrong to take something someone else makes and distribute it as your own or for profit. The store is now closed to the general public but that does not stop anyone affected by this from pursuing any legal avenues to recover any lost revenue as a result of these actions. Bricklink would have records of any sales that occurred and the store owner's identity. Quote
Meatman Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 Unreal. It makes you wonder how many other crooks are doing this out there. Quote
S.I Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 I've seen the same guy regularly offer instructions on german ebay from juergen, and reported it both @ ebay and here by PM, but it hasn't stopped him from putting them back up a week later. Quote
Ape Fight Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) Well, we have a trademark on every page... Appreciate this is slightly off topic, but anyways... Yup, I see that, but I didn't think just putting the copyright symbol on a page actually makes something copy-protected. The symbol has to have something to back it up (not saying yours doesn't, but I've seen lots of MOCs with a © symbol in the corner and there is no way the owner has gone to the copy-right office!!). I thought, by law, that to get actual, stand up in court, copy right protection involves sending original material to the copyright office, proving it's unique, paying some money for the administration costs and getting a certificate etc etc. Or have I got that completely wrong?! The reason I ask is I see lots of people saying they have copy-righted their stuff, because when someone nicks it they get it taken down. In actuality all that's happened is the 'thief' has broken the 'user agreement' with Flickr, Cuusoo or whomever, by not posting their own work, and thus it has been removed. Legally, they have done nothing wrong, and have not broken any form of copy-right. What they have done is broken the Terms of Service. I'm not saying it's right that people take others' work at all, just that 'copy-right' seems to be used a lot on the internet for MOCs, and I'm 99% sure in almost all cases it doesn't exist at all except in the mind of the original creator. Edited April 12, 2013 by Ape Fight Quote
Blakbird Posted April 12, 2013 Posted April 12, 2013 I thought, by law, that to get actual, stand up in court, copy right protection involves sending original material to the copyright office, proving it's unique, paying some money for the administration costs and getting a certificate etc etc. Or have I got that completely wrong?! You've got it wrong, although I'm sure it varies by country. You are describing a registered copyright or trademark. For instance, I would have to trademark the name "Technicopedia" if I wanted to officially own it and prevent anyone else from using the name. I have done that with company names before, for example when I used to make telescopes. However, actual intellectual property and creative work is automatically copyright whether there is a symbol or indication of that or not. So, for example, you could not legally copy information from my web site without my consent. Same goes for instructions. No lawyer required. Now, actually enforcing a copyright does require lawyers. However, multinational companies like eBay are going to be pretty careful about reported cases because they could be held liable if they enabled illegal behavior through inaction. Quote
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