TheBoyWonder Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Quite useful today are we? Do not think your 2 near-lynches will be forgotten; might I remind you that several people have voiced concerns over your behavioir which you have yet to answer to/correct! I see none today, Jack.
TheBoyWonder Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I see my name mentioned as a lynch candidate. That appears to be it.
def Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Looking at the number of people thinking I have anything to do with your win condition/that I'm scum/that I'm a second scum group.... Seriously, think about it. -I talked about my role day one, for no reason other than for fun. Nobody asked me to share it. That is not what a SK or scum would do. It is too dangerous for them, and for no reason. Pierre lied because he was afraid. -My third-party role is called Master Criminal. Does the town win condition state anything about that? Anything? No? Then you can ignore them. -If my winning affected the town, would I have blabbed it at all? No. The joke of it all is that I told that first person I told that, Here on EB it's dangerous to try to reason with people, or something like that. And sure enough, here we are. Generally, if all things point to someone not being a danger, and in fact they are helping the town, then generally, you should move on to something else From here on in, I'm not going to defend myself from paranoid, poorly thought-out accusations. If you want to lynch me, go ahead. Find out for yourself, and also piss off the town tracker by taking away the only person they're confiding in (we're not inviting Mary to the circle, since she's not even here in thread, so neither of us can see the advantage of it). And you won't get any other info from me, or the other Master Criminal. Totally your choice.
Palathadric Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 My theory is that Matthew was the SK when Mr.Necksnap is our vig ... but then again who is to say who's who!!!!! Um...what?!? How could Matthew have been a Serial Killer if he has been confirmed as a Townie?
def Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 The tracker looked in on Mary, and she didn't target anyone, which mostly clears her. I see my name mentioned as a lynch candidate. That appears to be it. That thing I told you about thinking before opening your mouth? That goes for listening and reading too. Will there be any confusion as to why you won't be invited to a town PM circle?
Scubacarrot Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Can we get the identity of the other master criminal, you know, just in case?
TrumpetKing Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Yes!!! We finally get some progress, although finally isn't a very strong word when it is only the start of the third day? I didn't really have an idea about Paul, but he didn't really talk a lot. I have a few suspicions, I find it incredibly odd that Mary has almost been lynched, not once, but twice, and has managed to survive the night! Seriously?! Has anybody else noticed this? Bristol, to be honest, I have some suspicions towards Michael, but I don't think I'll stress over them because he typically is a very quiet player, even as town.
def Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I don't reveal people's info. I don't even write shitty plays (and if I did have a kill action, I would consider killing Jonathan just to stop the goddamn plays). The other Master Criminal contacted me, and understood the role well enough that I'm sure they were being honest. It's not my place to out them when they've put faith in me. I find it incredibly odd that Mary has almost been lynched, not once, but twice, and has managed to survive the night! Seriously?! Mary was tracked yesterday, she did nothing. If you think I'm lying, consider I helped shift her lynch onto the scummy Pierre yesterday.
The Legonater Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 A shame such a vocal and perceptive fellow like Jonathon is dead - despite whatever annoyances he may have brought. Two dead scum are a great sign, however. As for Jonathon's last message, parts of that makes much sense. I too had considered the possibility of the scum using CITY number to try to sway the tide. His theories about 'Raymond' and 'Zangara' are also interesting, though I am confused - it may just be a slip-up, but I can't seem to find either of these names on the crew manifold. Are they just cover-names? I still have some confidence in Barbara, though the fact that Jonathon's death leaves her as the most vocal of the group unnerves me to some point. If she proves to be town, however, these fears will be all for naught. Mary had survived several lynches now, though. The fact that the lynch was averted for the lynch of a scum, however, seems to point away from her guilt - it would be foolish to simply avert attention from one scum to kill another, unless the former had an important role, or it was all some deception
Scubacarrot Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Does this other Master Criminal want to step forward? Realize that the easier we narrow people down, the sooner we see connections, the sooner we close in on scum, the sooner the Master criminals could potentially fullfill their winning conditions.
TheBoyWonder Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Diane, maybe I'm playing like an idiot, but I think you are the idiot. I think everyone's noticed it. Maybe, just maybe, Your not exactly as townie as your trying to be. Something's been screaming at me about you from the start. The most use I'm going to be for everyone here is dead. For the town it's leads. For the scum it's one of them not lynched. I implore you, unless something more concrete comes up, To vote for me. Maybe Dead I can be of use. But, when it is revealed I'm town, I ask you to investigate/lynch Diane. Diane is a fool. Whether just her nature, or a tactic, something's not right.
Scubacarrot Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 As for Jonathon's last message, parts of that makes much sense. I too had considered the possibility of the scum using CITY number to try to sway the tide. His theories about 'Raymond' and 'Zangara' are also interesting, though I am confused - it may just be a slip-up, but I can't seem to find either of these names on the crew manifold. Are they just cover-names? Yes, they are from that poor excuse of a play.
TrumpetKing Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Can we get the identity of the other master criminal, you know, just in case? She just said nobody would get information from either of the Master Criminals. I will presume that that includes names. I know I was curious to hear the name of the other claimed tracker, but now I'd rather not, because keeping their identity a secret might keep a rather valuable townie safe. And as hypocritical as it sounds for wanting to hear the more-so truthful tracker's name, it seems really scummy for you to want the other Master Criminal's name, because quite frankly, neutrals typically only help scum, but in this case, it seems that they are more helpful to the town, perhaps a reason you want the name?
def Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I still have some confidence in Barbara, though the fact that Jonathon's death leaves her as the most vocal of the group unnerves me to some point. If she proves to be town, however, these fears will be all for naught. I'm not Town She just said nobody would get information from either of the Master Criminals. I will presume that that includes names. I know I was curious to hear the name of the other claimed tracker, but now I'd rather not, because keeping their identity a secret might keep a rather valuable townie safe. And as hypocritical as it sounds for wanting to hear the more-so truthful tracker's name, it seems really scummy for you to want the other Master Criminal's name, because quite frankly, neutrals typically only help scum, but in this case, it seems that they are more helpful to the town, perhaps a reason you want the name? NO NO NO! If you lynch me, you will get no info... Neutrals do not help scum, they help neutrals... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I gotta get outta here. Too much faulty logic. I can't swell the tide of n00bishness My brain is breaking.
TrumpetKing Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Mary was tracked yesterday, she did nothing. If you think I'm lying, consider I helped shift her lynch onto the scummy Pierre yesterday. But it seems like Pierre was the scum's killer, unless he passed it on to Mary after his death (If he could), if she is scum. I don't think that you're lying, but I've seen vanilla scum before. I doubt he would pass it to Mary, though, as she is notoriously ditzy, but her possible scum team could help her, I guess. Really, the fact that she was tracked does help her, though.
Scubacarrot Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 She just said nobody would get information from either of the Master Criminals. I will presume that that includes names. I know I was curious to hear the name of the other claimed tracker, but now I'd rather not, because keeping their identity a secret might keep a rather valuable townie safe. And as hypocritical as it sounds for wanting to hear the more-so truthful tracker's name, it seems really scummy for you to want the other Master Criminal's name, because quite frankly, neutrals typically only help scum, but in this case, it seems that they are more helpful to the town, perhaps a reason you want the name? That was a threat she made if we wanted to kill her, a misplaced threat, since us killing her will not do much for us, but rob her of her chance to win. Your reasoning for why I am scummy for asking doesn't add up. How would a scum benefit from knowing the master criminal's identity? If I understand it right, the scum's don't care about the neutrals, the master criminals only need to steal their shit or something, I don't know. For the town however, it's one less person to waste time on. Plus the reasons I gave in my previous post. Poor contribution, from you, this. If you're going to accuse someone of being scummy, give a reason. Ok, the only thing I can think of for the scum is that they won't be able to accidentally kill a neutral, not helping them towards their win condition. I'd say the town's benefit is greater.
Capt. Redblade Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Haven't been following much, have you? Pierre killed Scott. He thought Jonathan saw him target Scott on Night One, so he made up the lie that he was a tracker. We saw through it, and lynched him. Lo and behold, no axe-killings last night. There's still two killers around, though, one of which is most likely scum as well. I guess I could have been clearer. My point was more that, given the different kill methods, it looks to like me like we started this cruise with no less than four killers: a SK, a vigilante (whom popular opinion seems to indicate was Mattew), and two scum killers. If, as you say, Pierre was the axe-man, then where was Bottle Guy that night? My guess is blocked. We think we know what happened to our vig, so NeckSnap is probably SK. I am guessing 'Mr. Necksnapper' was just a slip of the tongue? They could always be female. Hey, I'm not the only one with bad habits... So either the neck snapper is our vigilante who had been tipped off about Paul being a thief, or he is a serial killer who targetted the somewhat quiet Paul and 'accidentally' helped us. I am hoping the first. Looks like our neck snapper was on to the right track when he went after Paul! It looks more likely that neck snapper is a vigilante, but he could still be an SK.
TheBoyWonder Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Finally someone else has seen how much of a tuckfard Diane is. The same could be said about me, but at least I don't swing around random accusations at everyone on the damn cruise.
TrumpetKing Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 NO NO NO! If you lynch me, you will get no info... Neutrals do not help scum, they help neutrals... I do not know if you understood what I said here. I never said we should lynch you. I meant that neutrals usually help scum, because if they are lynched, another scum stays, and another townie can also be killed. Mary, I'm not sure if you read this yesterday, but Babs mentioned that she had heard some things that appeared to clear me. It seems she is very trustworthy at the moment. And I did later say that your apparent tracker results cleared you at the moment. Really, I don't think that I'm the scummiest here. Lauren and Michael have had a lot more said about them, and Lauren has been fishing for results on who the second Master Criminal is, possibly just for the fact that she can kill one. Something is not right about Lauren or Michael, and I feel like one of them would be a stronger lynch option today.
Palathadric Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I know I was curious to hear the name of the other claimed tracker, but now I'd rather not, because keeping their identity a secret might keep a rather valuable townie safe. And as hypocritical as it sounds for wanting to hear the more-so truthful tracker's name, it seems really scummy for you to want the other Master Criminal's name, because quite frankly, neutrals typically only help scum, but in this case, it seems that they are more helpful to the town, perhaps a reason you want the name? What?!? Seriously, you're confusing even me. Not that I don't confuse easily. I don't think anyone was asking for the name of the tracker, so how would revealing the name of the other Master Criminal make a valuable townie "unsafe?" I also think she already stated why she wanted the name. But it seems like Pierre was the scum's killer, unless he passed it on to Mary after his death (If he could), if she is scum. I don't think that you're lying, but I've seen vanilla scum before. I doubt he would pass it to Mary, though, as she is notoriously ditzy, but her possible scum team could help her, I guess. Really, the fact that she was tracked does help her, though. Where are you getting this nonsense from? Who said anything about him passing his action on to Mary. We now know, that Pierre was, in fact, the scum killer unless two scum really did target Scott on night one. How does this implicate Mary in any way?
Scubacarrot Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Why would I want to kill a master criminal? If I was in any faction? All assuming they are telling the truth.
Palathadric Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I guess I could have been clearer. My point was more that, given the different kill methods, it looks to like me like we started this cruise with no less than four killers: a SK, a vigilante (whom popular opinion seems to indicate was Mattew), and two scum killers. If, as you say, Pierre was the axe-man, then where was Bottle Guy that night? My guess is blocked. We think we know what happened to our vig, so NeckSnap is probably SK. There is nothing, really to make us assume that Matthew was the vig, except that he was carrying a baseball bat and had an action, presumably. For Bob's sake, he said there were no clues in the picture. The weapon they use, likely enough, doesn't even matter. I seriously doubt there were four killers, especially since on both nights there have only been two persons killed. Of course, Pierre's killing action was probably passed on to someone else, but I am not sure if they'd already be able to kill tonight.
Piratedave84 Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Um...what?!? How could Matthew have been a Serial Killer if he has been confirmed as a Townie? True true, this was written in haste; I retract my statement! Although 2 other have said the same thing .... Just sayin'
The Legonater Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I'm not Town I gotta get outta here. Too much faulty logic. I can't swell the tide of n00bishness My brain is breaking. I swear I thought I said neutral I meant that neutrals usually help scum... Since when?
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