Marvel Cinematic Universe

[K-Nut]

Someone was saying that.

Red Skull was going to show up in the movie. Now directly he didn't but Hydra did.

I know many people expected the same, including myself. In the comics, Aleksander Lukin is controlled Red Skull. Robert Redford's character took inspiration from Lukin, but is controlled by Arnim Zola instead of Red Skull. Part of this is because I'm pretty sure Hugo Weaving doesn't want to come back for another film.

[Tanma]

Just saw Winter Soldier. Glad to see that I was close, though I didn't have the name.This may be my favorite MCU film so far, this or Avengers. I have to say Falcon was great, maybe favorite person in the MCU right now. I really hope

he gets his wings back, that Exo-7 Falcon was the last left, and it looked pretty damaged. Still, I'm pretty sure Stark could repair it and probably make it more durable. The other thing is I feel a little awkward about Falcon supposedly not being in Avengers 2. Because the way the film ended, there needs to at least be some line pointing out where he went.

Another thing is,

I'm not entirely sure Project Insight could have worked completely even if Cap failed. Like they could have taken out their first thousand or so targets, but the longer they are active the longer people will have time to react. And even if they snuck up on Bruce, I'm pretty sure he would Hulk out automatically to save his life like when he attempted suicide and when he fell in the Incredible Hulk. And even if he could be killed by the intense trauma, Thor is on Midgard, and I think he would notice the destruction. From there it is a quick jump for him getting Sif and the Warriors Three, and the heroes fighting back. Thoughts?

Edited April 6, 2014 by Tanma

[Faefrost]

Captain America 2 was SO GOOD!!! Loved the post credits scene!! Although

I wonder what they're going to do with Loki's sceptre? Try and bring back red skull using it?? Also, anyone think we'll see Zola get his head in a body? Pierce did say something like "Zola's gone." They also mentioned Dr. Strange twice in this movie!!

My take on that end credits scene. It just confirmed something that has been suspected since Thor the Dark World, and explained something that always seemed a plot hole in Avengers

The key thing with Loki's staff is not the staff. It's the big glowing gem in the head. Did you notice how in the Winter Soldier end credit it was the gem that was really standing out, and the staff just looked like something to hold it. Kind of like how the Cube looked in Avengers, and at the end of Thor? That blue gem is one of the Infinity Gems. Probably the "Mind Gem".

That explains why Fury allowed Thor to take the cube back to Asgard at the end of Avengers. He basically made a trade. "It is dangerous to keep 2 Infinity Gems in the same place."

And yeah regarding Zola. He's not dead. If you watch the shell game carefully Black Widow inadvertently freed him from the bunker. Remember in 1972 it took 200 yards of data banks to hold him. In an isolated bunker surely cut off or deeply restricted from anything else. But she just plugged in a modern state of the art sHIELD data drive right into his mainframe. Then yanked it out just before things blew up. What happened to that drive stick? Because surely it is big enough to hold Zola. When it next gets plugged in the genie is out of the bottle. That might be what corrupts a Jarvis AI into Ultron.

Much like Thor TDW does anyone else get the feeling that there were a few scenes cut that will be informative to see on the BluRay? Such as something felt missing with Agent 13. They never established her tie to Peggy Carter.

Oh and on an unrelated note. Did anyone else catch the news that Matt Gerald has been cast to play "a" villain in Ant-Man. Now what makes this kind of interesting is we have seen him in the MCU before.

Possible spoiler for Ant Man, maybe... Plus a few references to Cap WS.

In the Marvel mini episode on the Thor TDW BluRay, titled All Hail the King, Gerald plays a prison thug that threatens Ben Kingsleys Trevor "the Mandarin" Slattery. In that he is named or known as "White Power Dave". Now Ant Man does not exactly have a huge rogues gallery to play with. His traditional villains are mainly unknown save for "Egghead", "Ultron" and... David Cannon, the creepy politically incorrect dude who's nom du crim is "Whirlwind". (Generally found arrested for stalking the Wasp.)

Now where it might get interesting. Whirlwind is mostly a Hank Pym villain. But Scott Lang, Ant Man 2 has an even shallower villain pool. About the only major player he is known for is "Taskmaster". A guy who takes prison thugs, and trains and equips them to be henchmen for bad people and super villains. (Ie "where do these villains get all these henchmen?" They hire them from the Taskmaster school of Henching.

Now flip all of this back into the MCU, and specifically what we have just seen in Cap WS. Speculation has been that Michael Douglas's Hank Pym is a SHIELD super operative from the Cold War era 60-70's. So there may be some SHIELD / Hydra stuff going on in Ant Man. So where exactly does Hydra get all of these Henchmen and goons? Where did Brock Rumbelow /Crossbones and his men come from? How were they recruited into Hydra? Where did Batroc's men come from? Might there be a Taskmaster shaped hole waiting to be filled?

Edited April 6, 2014 by Faefrost

[Tanma]

I really don't want them to use Whirlwind, because as small as Scott and Hank's respective villain pools are, Jan's is even smaller. And as we all know I one day want a Wasp movie, and I think she would deserve her own villain.

[montgocloud]

I loved The Winter Soldier as well. It had the perfect balance between grit and fun, something that many comic book movies fail at. It was full of references and Easter eggs to satiate the initiated. Great twists, acting, plot. Everything just clicked.

[The Legonater]

I wouldn't mind Taskmaster showing up in the MCU. He's a pretty cool villain, and it would be interesting to see how they pull him off.

[Faefrost]

I really don't want them to use Whirlwind, because as small as Scott and Hank's respective villain pools are, Jan's is even smaller. And as we all know I one day want a Wasp movie, and I think she would deserve her own villain.

Sadly I don't think we will ever see a Wasp solo movie. Even with Evangeline Lily in the role.

Really the Wasp has always been an ensemble character. I can't recall her ever having a solo role or book. Maybe a story or two in the old "Avengers Presents" series? I think Sue Storm has had more solo time in the comics than Wasp. It's not that she doesn't have a large villain pool. She has a huge one. All Avengers foes. Because she really has never had a pool of her own.

As far as Whirlwind? Honestly I don't see where they have much choice. They are already using Ultron. There is no way they could ever reasonably use Egghead and have the movie succeed. And even if they could he dances a little to close to the Cap 1 take on Arnim Zola. Strange little nerdy dude. Far too many like him kicking around the comics world (Mad Thinker, Dr. Sylvanus, etc) Plus he looks like a Sonic the Hedgehog villain. There are some broader villains that might work. Maybe Jocasta, but that would require a lot of direct knowledge from Avengers 2 and Ultron, plus Ultron being created by Stark instead of Pym kind of eliminates her. Monica Rapacini might be an interesting way to go (That's actually where I thought the Maya Hansen character was headed in IM3), but still not really anything to do with Ant Man, Pym etc.

Which brings us back to some appearance of Whirlwind. He is one of the few villains Pym and Scott Land are known for. His presence opens the door (well wider) for a live action take on the Masters of Evil. (We already have a few pieces of which on the board from over at AoS. Which seems to be slowly introducing early Thunderbolts characters.) I just don't see many ways to avoid him if they are staying with a named known comic villain.

[Ultron]

Sadly I don't think we will ever see a Wasp solo movie. Even with Evangeline Lily in the role.

Really the Wasp has always been an ensemble character. I can't recall her ever having a solo role or book. Maybe a story or two in the old "Avengers Presents" series? I think Sue Storm has had more solo time in the comics than Wasp. It's not that she doesn't have a large villain pool. She has a huge one. All Avengers foes. Because she really has never had a pool of her own.

As far as Whirlwind? Honestly I don't see where they have much choice. They are already using Ultron. There is no way they could ever reasonably use Egghead and have the movie succeed. And even if they could he dances a little to close to the Cap 1 take on Arnim Zola. Strange little nerdy dude. Far too many like him kicking around the comics world (Mad Thinker, Dr. Sylvanus, etc) Plus he looks like a Sonic the Hedgehog villain. There are some broader villains that might work. Maybe Jocasta, but that would require a lot of direct knowledge from Avengers 2 and Ultron, plus Ultron being created by Stark instead of Pym kind of eliminates her. Monica Rapacini might be an interesting way to go (That's actually where I thought the Maya Hansen character was headed in IM3), but still not really anything to do with Ant Man, Pym etc.

Which brings us back to some appearance of Whirlwind. He is one of the few villains Pym and Scott Land are known for. His presence opens the door (well wider) for a live action take on the Masters of Evil. (We already have a few pieces of which on the board from over at AoS. Which seems to be slowly introducing early Thunderbolts characters.) I just don't see many ways to avoid him if they are staying with a named known comic villain.

As I've said a few times, black ant seems like an obvious choice for a first villain. He's not a huge villain or probably as well known as whirlwind but it seems more likely to me.

[Faefrost]

As I've said a few times, black ant seems like an obvious choice for a first villain. He's not a huge villain or probably as well known as whirlwind but it seems more likely to me.

And it's quite possible that he will be.

Matt Gerald has made a career of mainly playing assorted thugs, leg breakers, flunkys, henchmen, minions and characters that are more involved than a simple background thug, but typically are not the main foe. So high ranked minions with speaking parts. In this case he will be A villain but probably not the main one. If this was a Spider-Man movie I would tap him for playing the Shocker or one of the Kingpins 4 main named thugs (I never remember their names). Whirlwind seems sufficiently D list to fit the bill in an Ant Man movie. He's gone up against every major Marvel hero, and had his jockey shorts handed to him virtually every time. (And a member of not one, but two super villain teams, and still can't pay his rent.)

[Ultron]

And it's quite possible that he will be.

Matt Gerald has made a career of mainly playing assorted thugs, leg breakers, flunkys, henchmen, minions and characters that are more involved than a simple background thug, but typically are not the main foe. So high ranked minions with speaking parts. In this case he will be A villain but probably not the main one. If this was a Spider-Man movie I would tap him for playing the Shocker or one of the Kingpins 4 main named thugs (I never remember their names). Whirlwind seems sufficiently D list to fit the bill in an Ant Man movie. He's gone up against every major Marvel hero, and had his jockey shorts handed to him virtually every time. (And a member of not one, but two super villain teams, and still can't pay his rent.)

Do we really need spoiler tags for this anymore? It's interesting that he was in All Hail the King. What does White power Dave even mean?! He could be a white supremacist or something I guess. Maybe they're turning Eric O'Grady into a racist too since he wasn't an annoying twit already He may just be a henchmen but idk why they would put him in the one-shot if they were just going to do that.

[Tanma]

Sadly I don't think we will ever see a Wasp solo movie. Even with Evangeline Lily in the role.

Really the Wasp has always been an ensemble character. I can't recall her ever having a solo role or book. Maybe a story or two in the old "Avengers Presents" series? I think Sue Storm has had more solo time in the comics than Wasp. It's not that she doesn't have a large villain pool. She has a huge one. All Avengers foes. Because she really has never had a pool of her own.

As far as Whirlwind? Honestly I don't see where they have much choice. They are already using Ultron. There is no way they could ever reasonably use Egghead and have the movie succeed. And even if they could he dances a little to close to the Cap 1 take on Arnim Zola. Strange little nerdy dude. Far too many like him kicking around the comics world (Mad Thinker, Dr. Sylvanus, etc) Plus he looks like a Sonic the Hedgehog villain. There are some broader villains that might work. Maybe Jocasta, but that would require a lot of direct knowledge from Avengers 2 and Ultron, plus Ultron being created by Stark instead of Pym kind of eliminates her. Monica Rapacini might be an interesting way to go (That's actually where I thought the Maya Hansen character was headed in IM3), but still not really anything to do with Ant Man, Pym etc.

Which brings us back to some appearance of Whirlwind. He is one of the few villains Pym and Scott Land are known for. His presence opens the door (well wider) for a live action take on the Masters of Evil. (We already have a few pieces of which on the board from over at AoS. Which seems to be slowly introducing early Thunderbolts characters.) I just don't see many ways to avoid him if they are staying with a named known comic villain.

Listen, we all know why Wasp has never had her own book despite being a founding Avenger, maybe The Founding Avenger, its the same reason for the "interesting" artwork of female characters in comics. It can't have anything to do with her originally coming from Hank's pool of characters, not when there are War Machine/Iron Patriot and Scarlet Spider books, to name a few. You can say she is an ensemble character till you are blue in the face, but up until 2008 Tony Stark was a minor character in Marvel. Now his is one of the most important MCU characters and has a ridiculously fan base. The movies do not have to reflect comic history, otherwise Pym would make Ultron, Wasp would be in Avengers, Killian would have been a pawn who committed suicide, the movie portrayal of the Mandarian would have been "different"...ect. So excuse me while I trust Marvel to do the right thing and finally give her recognition that has been due for well over fifty years.

[Tom Jurassic]

The events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier have me extremely worried as to where Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D is going to go next. Without spoiling anything, the events of that film are going to have serious ripple affects on the series. What do you guys think will happen?

[Im a brickmaster.]

From what I hear, Shield has been disbanded, so maybe Coulson and his team continue to operate outside of shield, like agents of fortune!

Edited April 7, 2014 by Big Cam
Added spoiler tags

[Tanma]

It occurs to me I might have been too harsh. Wasp is just really important to me, the Wasp on Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes is the whole reason I like comics and superheroes in general.

On topic,

In Tahiti we saw that Fury has ties to secret facilities outside of the greater SHIELD. Maybe Coulson's team will use these sites for fuel and resources post Winter Soldier.

[Masked Builder]

There's also the possibility that the Avengers were only cleared for level 6, so maybe the level 7 secrets weren't dumped.

[montgocloud]

Michael C Hall (Dexter, Six Feet Under) has expressed interest in playing Daredevil for the Netflix series! That doesn't mean anything exactly, but I would love to see him in the role. It would go against the rumor that the series will follow a younger Daredevil though...

[The_Chosen_1]

There's also the possibility that the Avengers were only cleared for level 6, so maybe the level 7 secrets weren't dumped.

When Steve steps onto the elevator with Fury, the screen indicates that he's Level 8

[Ultron]

Michael C Hall (Dexter, Six Feet Under) has expressed interest in playing Daredevil for the Netflix series! That doesn't mean anything exactly, but I would love to see him in the role. It would go against the rumor that the series will follow a younger Daredevil though...

How old is Daredevil supposed to be?

[Freddy Bricker]

Drew Goddard (director of "Cabin in the Woods" has been confirmed to direct the Sinister Six film!

I'm on mobile, but a second Guardians of the Galaxy trailer has been released, focusing on Star Lord.

Those of you who watch the Amazing Spiderman in Imax get to go home with a wicked poster (wish I could link to that as well)

Captain America: The Winter Soldier was incredible! Just throwing that out there.

If you guys are curious though, all of this news and more can be found at comicvine.com or Google.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Freddy Bricker

[The Legonater]

Agents of SHIELD was again fantastic tonight.

It was definitely interesting seeing how they dealt with the HYDRA conspiracy. This was very definitely a twisty episode, even after the Winter Soldier. They HYDRA logo at the end was pretty clever.

[Vindicare]

What a movie! Falcon was awesome!

I don't think this really needs to be in tags, but anyways...it could change how some watch the story unfold. It seems to me that they're not leading up to the Civil War arc like the teasers hinted at. Granted, it's been awhile since I read the story. I don't remember Hydra playing a part.

[Faefrost]

How old is Daredevil supposed to be?

he's a Law School graduate and a well respected well known attorney who owns his own famous law practice in NYC. Ben Affleck was probably about the right age. He should be substantially older than spider-man. At least 30.

What a movie! Falcon was awesome!

I don't think this really needs to be in tags, but anyways...it could change how some watch the story unfold. It seems to me that they're not leading up to the Civil War arc like the teasers hinted at. Granted, it's been awhile since I read the story. I don't remember Hydra playing a part.

Did you ever read Secret Warriors? Which came out of Civil War. There have been a few other "Nick Fury and a small team alone against Hydra, SHIELD and the world" comic runs.

[SandMirror38]

just finished whatching Winter Soldier, great movie! Enjoyed both after credits scenes and was wondering aboyt 3 smaller characters who might end up being big..

Sorry if these are considered spoliers...

1- Rogers personal guards appeared to have very strong connections to Miss.Marvel, see where I'm going?

2-That villan that kept showing up everywhere and ends up alivw but burnt looks to me like perfect villan meterial

3- Sharon, that girl B.Widow want's Cap to date. Continuously shoved in the viewers face makes me think that theres more to Sharon then what appears to be, prehaps future Wasp?

Anyway just me and a couple of my buds 2 cents :)

sidered spoliers....

[rodiziorobs]

When Steve steps onto the elevator with Fury, the screen indicates that he's Level 8

I had read that somewhere, too, but I thought that

Pierce later says that he's got two sixes on the loose (i.e. Cap and Widow). I guess regardless of their levels, there are probably still some secrets that didn't get revealed, such as Fury's non-death, especially if he's about to go on a mission in Europe (solo movie, perhaps? Which is presumably why Widow testified at the Senate hearing, not Fury--they didn't know he wasn't actually dead.

[Mr Man]

Well bugger me, They weren't lying when the said that everything would change were they.