LDRAW MOD: 10170 & 10219 Mash-Up

[kyphur]

Sadly my LEGO is all stored away for the time being but I still have LDraw/MLCad.

I have the TTX Intermodal Carriage and Maersk Sets.

I've been thinking of doing this MOD for a while and the newly posted review of 10170 has motivated me to actually do the design work so here are a couple of preliminary images.

I'm hoping to get the parts ordered and build it in real bricks within the next few weeks. Unfortunately I can't test how it navigates curves and points for a while.

Edited August 30, 2012 by kyphur

[mostlytechnic]

Looks nice - I might have to try building this. If I do I'll be sure to report how it handles. Gotta dig up some parts though...

[kyphur]

Here's another pic, slightly modified and this time it.s 3 carriages long...

As I make more pics (rendered and real) I'll post them in

this set.

I plan to start generating a parts list and reorganizing the MLCad file to create instructions this afternoon. I want to order the parts in the next few days and see how it works IRB (In Real Bricks), I'll either dig out my containers or just build a few more for this set.

Maybe I should Cuusoo this idea, what do you think?

[Nix Mills]

It's great. It's really great.

[JopieK]

Looks really neat indeed!!! Hope we will be able to afford a new large format printer at the end of the year so we can also print Maersk stickers in real Maersk colors :)

[kyphur]

Just waiting for 2 BrickLink shipments to finish it then I'll dig out some curved track to test it. I'm confident that using the two end cars (1 shared bogie) will make the curve but I hope the 3 car version will also

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[kyphur]

Here's an update:

Comparison shots with the Container Car from Maersk 10219 Set...

Here you can see the Lowered Deck is the same length as the whole 10219 Car which make the whole Car 10 studs longer for a Middle Car (uses shared bogies on both ends) and 11 studs longer for an End Car (shared bogie on one end and bogie with coupler on the other end).

Here you can see that on the bogies this Container Car rides at the same height as the lower deck of the Container Car from 10219

[Hrw-Amen]

Will be interesting to see how it runs around the curves and through points. I have seen some long passenger coaches and they seem to handle curves OK, so hopefully it will do so? For myself I made some copies of the cars from the Maersk train to run with the real ones but just in a cheaper colour, your longer ones look better though.

[roamingstop]

Looks great! The only issue i can see is that the wheel base of bogey is slighty too short. Perhaps space them slightly further apart as in the real versions?

[kyphur]

Will be interesting to see how it runs around the curves and through points. I have seen some long passenger coaches and they seem to handle curves OK, so hopefully it will do so? For myself I made some copies of the cars from the Maersk train to run with the real ones but just in a cheaper colour, your longer ones look better though.

Yeah once I get the last of the parts for this initial working design I'll dig out just enough track to test standard curves and switches.

I've also made alternate colored versions of 10219 Container Cars. I did them in Gray with Black trim and Black with Gray trim, I preferred the later as you can see in this pic...

Looks great! The only issue i can see is that the wheel base of bogey is slighty too short. Perhaps space them slightly further apart as in the real versions?

I used the exact bogie design of the Official TTX Intermodal Cars Set. Since those cars are 28 studs long and mine are 46/47 studs long it makes sense to bogies look too small. I'm hesitant to lengthen anything at this point because I don't know if the current length will negotiate a standard curve or switch so if I lengthen each bogie by 2 studs that could make it not fit.

As these are heavy duty cars designed to each carry up to 4 containers (double the Maersk design's capacity) it makes a lot of sense that heavy duty bogies would be used especially for the shared bogies which would support up to 8 containers each.

Based on this image:

I would say that the shared bogies are okay as they are as long as 3 wheels. The End bogies (which are the same as used in 10219 Container Cars) could be swapped-out for a modified version of the shared bogie with a singular mounting post and maybe even use the Yellow Bogie Plate and Tiles for the top of it.

Something like this:

[kyphur]

Here is a test negotiating a standard curve using MLCad (LDraw):

As you can see (especially in the full size image here) it is very close as to if the shared bogie connections will flex enough to make this curve. Hopefully I'll have the last of the parts needed to finish the real model and can test all 3 sections on a physical curve.

[kyphur]

Here's a slight redesign (Conceptual) of the Bogies.

I was already wanting to replace the Axles on the shared bogie with pins to give better stability around corners when double stacked.

This would lengthen the Bogie to be 9 studs from front to back. The additional stud in the center of the shared bogie would allow the two cars to navigate curves without touching.

I'm not really sure on this change yet. I can take one of 3 routes here:

1. Do nothing and continue using the 8 long bogies.

2. Only rebuild the Shared Bogies to 9 long to improve "curve flex".

3. Rebuild both Bogie designs to 9 long for consistency.

Looks like I'll need to make another BL order or 2...

[kyphur]

Here is is in "Real Bricks" on a curve:

It's long but it does fit around curves!

Now I'm just waiting for the Repo Stickers from JopieK to polish the look...

[Diamondback]

Never posted or screencapped, but I did something similar when 10170 came out in MLCad... a typical TTX articulated well-car like this is usually five units.

Nice work, glad to see another voice for "semi-prototypical" LEGO Trains! (I prefer full to-scale dimensions, ~10'/10-stud-wide railcars, but a single full-length standard American passenger railcar at 85 studs over couplers is big and heavy enough you could beat someone to death with it... still hasn't killed my MLCad renders of the great postwar Streamliners, just slowed them down with lack of parts and a sufficient power-source--a 17-car 20th Century Limited with two E8's and an E7B pulling it is six power-trucks for a train over thirty feet long with each car being into the thousands of pieces, but other than the lavatories they're room-for-room accurate.)

[kyphur]

Never posted or screencapped, but I did something similar when 10170 came out in MLCad... a typical TTX articulated well-car like this is usually five units.

If I wanted to I could easily just add 2 more "center" carriages which would give you a five unit group. If I remember correctly, I read that 3, 5 & 7 long are the most common configurations. Since a group of three is the same length as 4 of the Maersk Intermodal Carriages I figured that's plenty long enough for most layouts.

Thanks for the compliment.

BTW, those 10 wide monsters sound awesome, saw a few trains on that scale at Brickworld last year. I stick with 6 wide (for now) because it keeps the layout smaller. I've been considering 7 or 8 wide. Thinking that 7 wide would allow my 6 wide stock to remain unaltered and still look okay on the same layout but 8 wide would be too obvious.