Palathadric Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Wow, in light of the new information given by C-3PO, I really don't know who to vote for. Not that it will probably matter anyway, but, as scummy as it may look, I think I may need to hold back my vote for now. Keep talking 3PO. As of now you're still my most likely voting candidate, but it may change with time.
ADHO15 Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Hm, while it's not the strongest case in the world, it's too big of a risk to keep you around, C-3PO, if we are wrong, too bad. And then what? We vote off Coryn who turns out to be Jedi too who just made a mistake and Threepio was telling the truth the whole time? Then we've lost our two most useful, vocal, coordinating Templies, which I can't really see us shrugging off as 'too bad'. We'll be in trouble. In all honesty, the droid's defences do seem rather reasonable, and I don't think Coryn's case is as condemning as should be for such a quick vote off. It's highly possible that Hugar was a Sith framer and, if it went into that much detail, his role PM could have informed him off the lightsaber switching. I believe Master Corobb had mentioned a Shrink/Serial Killer before Hugar did and the private conversations between C-3PO and Coryn seem to imply some mixed thoughts coming from the latter, which weakens his case in my eyes and makes it seem that he isn't as confident as he makes himself out to be. I shall have to hold off voting for the time being.
Scubacarrot Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 And then what? We vote off Coryn who turns out to be Jedi too who just made a mistake and Threepio was telling the truth the whole time? Then we've lost our two most useful, vocal, coordinating Templies, which I can't really see us shrugging off as 'too bad'. We'll be in trouble. In all honesty, the droid's defences do seem rather reasonable, and I don't think Coryn's case is as condemning as should be for such a quick vote off. It's highly possible that Hugar was a Sith framer and, if it went into that much detail, his role PM could have informed him off the lightsaber switching. I believe Master Corobb had mentioned a Shrink/Serial Killer before Hugar did and the private conversations between C-3PO and Coryn seem to imply some mixed thoughts coming from the latter, which weakens his case in my eyes and makes it seem that he isn't as confident as he makes himself out to be. I shall have to hold off voting for the time being. What nonsense are you spouting this time, you are constantly going after me, laying words in my mouth, and I wish you would stop it, it's not cute, and to be honest, not helpful in any way either. I never said we would vote Coryn off if C-3PO is innocent, if you can find me saying that, you are magician. Voting Coryn off if C-3PO is innocent does not seem like a great idea, does it to you? How exactly would we be in trouble, We still won't be, give better reasoning for that. Of course it would 'too bad' if C-3PO turns innocent, are you dense, we would have lost a jedi, never a good thing. And you are saying because C-3PO does not go after Coryn, he might be innocent. Come on. Really? I mean, really?? In fact, the whole point you are making is useless, except for the fact that you think C-3PO might be innocent, and of course he might be, but if you have read my well underlaid posts in the past, he is probably our best bet. Think for half a second before you post next time, and DO NOT go after me with megablocks, if you have a problem with me, do some reasoning /rant over
ADHO15 Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 What nonsense are you spouting this time, you are constantly going after me, laying words in my mouth, and I wish you would stop it, it's not cute, and to be honest, not helpful in any way either. I never said we would vote Coryn off if C-3PO is innocent, if you can find me saying that, you are magician. Voting Coryn off if C-3PO is innocent does not seem like a great idea, does it to you? How exactly would we be in trouble, We still won't be, give better reasoning for that. Of course it would 'too bad' if C-3PO turns innocent, are you dense, we would have lost a jedi, never a good thing. And you are saying because C-3PO does not go after Coryn, he might be innocent. Come on. Really? I mean, really?? In fact, the whole point you are making is useless, except for the fact that you think C-3PO might be innocent, and of course he might be, but if you have read my well underlaid posts in the past, he is probably our best bet. Think for half a second before you post next time, and DO NOT go after me with megablocks, if you have a problem with me, do some reasoning /rant over What?! I never accused you of anything. Many others raised similar points but yours was the easiest to quote at the time. Don't get so defensive! And I'm not trying to be cute! This is a dangerous situation we're in, and besides, my famous grin is cute enough. I didn't say that you would want to vote off Coryn, but lots of other people have said he would be an obvious choice for a lynch if C-3PO turns out to be innocent. It was related to what I was saying, so I didn't think I'd have to go back and find someone who raised such a point to stop you getting so touchy. And judging by what I just said: no, I obviously don't think that would be a good idea. That was the whole point of my last post. You need to calm down and stop being so aggressive, my old Padawan. Just because I have been suspicious of you for things you did on Day One doesn't mean you need to get so angry with me. I've done nothing wrong. Those suspicions were starting to fade, so you don't have to have such a go at me. If you listened to what I said, you'll find I said "shrugged off as 'too bad'", meaning I thought the situation would be worse than just giving a couple of disappointed words, and I also said that about having potentially lost two active Templies, not just C-3PO, and so we would of course be in trouble compared to if we still had both working to destroy the Sith. And just so you know, this: 'Come on. Really? I mean, really??' is, as you say, 'not helpful in any way either'. Not so simply, as I said that all of the droids defences combined seem more convincing than Coryn's suspicions, but yes, I think that could be possible, and I don't need you trying to force your views on me. C-3PO possibly being innocent was my whole point. Maybe he is the best bet, as I can't find anyone who has seemed overly suspicious to me. Master Monn's slip up about saying there were five, or seven, or however many Scum you confused yourself into noticing was suspicious, sure, so there are other options. It seems my vote won't do much to sway the bandwagon that's already formed on Threepio anyway, so why are you so concerned where I place it? I have done all my reasoning and stated it all on Day One. Like I said, those suspicions were starting to go, but I'm perfectly entitled to go after whoever I think may be Scum in the interests of protecting my beloved Jedi Order, so I don't need you telling me what I can and can't do, young one. You really are an unpleasant little fish and I hope Grievous does you in again soon.
Masked Builder Posted May 19, 2012 Author Posted May 19, 2012 Vote Tally: C-3PO (Brickdoctor) 8 Votes - Macoco, Tamamono, Kadabra, Peanuts, Dannylonglegs, Scorpiox, Scubacarrot, TheBoyWonder Voolvif Moon (JackJonespaw) 2 Votes - Brickdoctor, Zakura
Scubacarrot Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Again with the assuming and laying words in my mouth, it's not anger, but annoyance. I am annoyed that there are people making useless posts like the one two statements up. Honestly, your post really looks like having a go at me, and no, I don't appreciate that, especially not from you. If you misunderstand something, it's your fault, and now you are trying to write it off as me being 'touchy', seriously? I honestly don't care if you think I am suspicious or not, what I DO care about is people contributing to the discussion in a helpful way, the way you are doing it, is not it. You calling me "unpleasant" "touchy" "angry" after pointing out the flaws in your post is uncalled for, yes, I could have been "calmer", but does that really matter, I think not. But to be honest, the post I am writing right now is not helpful either. Because it has little to do with the matter at hand. I say we stop this, because it's pointless, you stop being useless, I will stop writing rants about your behaviour, deal? Now to the matter at hand, it may be worth thinking about who to lynch depending on what the droid flips as, depending if he gets lynched.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 With all due respect, 3PO, the only thing you can do at this point is try to take me down with/instead of you. I find it absolutely hilarious how you're trying to take the 'high road' and not FoSing me. Not if you're both innocent. I'm of the opinion that there's a massive failure in the logic of your argument. You say he must be Sith because of the suspicions of a dead townie who was by no means infallible, and the insider knowledge a sith who might have gotten that info from a Sith framer or his own role post. I'm sorry, but this argument just doesn't cut it, and I really shouldn't have voted. Is this your entire argument or have I left something out? I think you're probably both townie, and you will not be an obvious vote when C-3PO turns up good.
Jedi master Brick Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Master Mundi makes a very good point, the logic behind the bandwagon against 3PO is deeply flawed. Surely anyway it is worth waiting anyway to investigate 3PO instead of lynch him straight away. If we are wrong on this lynch we lose a very helpful townie. It could be the case 3PO has been converted but it is worth checking first. I also think we should take a look at people like Plo Koon who have decided to turn up see there is a bandwagon forming and just voting not trying to look deeper into the claims.
ADHO15 Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Again with the assuming and laying words in my mouth, it's not anger, but annoyance. I am annoyed that there are people making useless posts like the one two statements up. Honestly, your post really looks like having a go at me, and no, I don't appreciate that, especially not from you. If you misunderstand something, it's your fault, and now you are trying to write it off as me being 'touchy', seriously? I honestly don't care if you think I am suspicious or not, what I DO care about is people contributing to the discussion in a helpful way, the way you are doing it, is not it. You calling me "unpleasant" "touchy" "angry" after pointing out the flaws in your post is uncalled for, yes, I could have been "calmer", but does that really matter, I think not. But to be honest, the post I am writing right now is not helpful either. Because it has little to do with the matter at hand. I say we stop this, because it's pointless, you stop being useless, I will stop writing rants about your behaviour, deal? Now to the matter at hand, it may be worth thinking about who to lynch depending on what the droid flips as, depending if he gets lynched. Again? I made it quite clear that I was not specifically referring to your statement alone, but all similar statements said today. I didn't think I would have to quote every single one, but apparently I will in future to avoid 'annoying' (not sure how; my point seems like a perfectly valid counter to the common opinion) sensitive people such as yourself. In case you weren't aware, not everybody shares your point of view. People are able to question another's beliefs without 'having a go at them', if not simply to point out flaws in such a plan. Maybe the entire plan was not intended by you, but after reading through many comments all suggesting that we lynch Threepio and then Coryn if that turns out to be a bad move, I thought simply quoting the most recent post relating to that topic would be acceptable. I apologise if that upset or offended you. And there's no need for you to hold a grudge against me purely because I raised your name as a suspect. That is the aim of all the Templies here, and so I was only trying to help my team by doing so. How am I not being helpful? I'm trying to help people to see the bigger picture: that Threepio is not a confirmed Sith by any means and he could well be telling the truth. Sheepishly voting with everyone else would not be nearly as helpful. It does matter. There are these things called 'manners' and 'respect' which most people usually use when communicating with others. I do not like the way you are being unnecessarily aggressive towards me. How hypocritcal of you to call me 'useless'... Really? We should look at the droid's allegiance and think of lynching somebody tomorrow too?! I had never thought of that! Thank you so much for bringing that to the attention of the group!
Peanuts Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Not if you're both innocent. I'm of the opinion that there's a massive failure in the logic of your argument. You say he must be Sith because of the suspicions of a dead townie who was by no means infallible, and the insider knowledge a sith who might have gotten that info from a Sith framer or his own role post. I'm sorry, but this argument just doesn't cut it, and I really shouldn't have voted. Is this your entire argument or have I left something out? I think you're probably both townie, and you will not be an obvious vote when C-3PO turns up good. While the point of the lightsaber switch could easily be because of a framer's knowledge or even roleplay, what worries me, when I look at Hugar's post, that he said 'Cop/Shrink'. How would he know the cop is the shrink as well, I wonder? Or that the shrink might have an investigative ability? Or that the shrink was involved at all in his investigation result? I didn't notice at that point, but it is strange. If he hadn't been told by one of the C's, why would he say Cop/Shrink?
ADHO15 Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 While the point of the lightsaber switch could easily be because of a framer's knowledge or even roleplay, what worries me, when I look at Hugar's post, that he said 'Cop/Shrink'. How would he know the cop is the shrink as well, I wonder? Or that the shrink might have an investigative ability? Or that the shrink was involved at all in his investigation result? I didn't notice at that point, but it is strange. If he hadn't been told by one of the C's, why would he say Cop/Shrink? Interesting. Do you have this quote to hand, Master Luminara?
Tamamono Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 I'm not trying to take you down with me because I believe that you're Town, and I want to be able to win this thing with the Town. Well, thank you for your trust, but from your point of view, I must be scum. The fact that you're ignoring that means that you're not trying to find scum which means you are scum. Game, set, and match. However, if you truly are town, I promise that I will do everything in my power to go on and win this thing for the town. I am going to hold off my vote for now, the case against C 3PO is not the strongest case. For me if we lynch 3PO and he turns out to be town we lose a valuable townie. Then again the way master Tiin just followed 3PO is sucspious, it suggests they are both scum and have acsses to a private room to decide who to vote. I need to think this over for an hour or 2. I find it laughable how you think you're in a position to call others scummy for buddying 3PO. Aren't you the one who's been insisting that he get investigated before lynched? I think it's likely that 3PO is the Godfather after all, or the Sith have a Tailor that will make 3PO appear innocent to investigation. Don't be so obvious next time, Euna! Not if you're both innocent. I'm of the opinion that there's a massive failure in the logic of your argument. You say he must be Sith because of the suspicions of a dead townie who was by no means infallible, and the insider knowledge a sith who might have gotten that info from a Sith framer or his own role post. I'm sorry, but this argument just doesn't cut it, and I really shouldn't have voted. Is this your entire argument or have I left something out? I think you're probably both townie, and you will not be an obvious vote when C-3PO turns up good. It's not just because Master Corobb suspected him, it's because Hugar Sith should not have known about the shrink. Knowing about the lightsaber, sure. The scum usually have an action that messes with informative actions, and it may be that lightsaber colors are the MO of investigation this game, and the scum knew that. However, it was never stated that the cop and the shrink were the same person until Hugar said it himself. Where could he have gotten such information? From me, Master Corobb, 3PO, Sherlock, or Zane. I certainly didn't give out the information, and Master Corobb said that he didn't either. Zane's a possibility, but Sherlock claims to have not told anyone - and I assume that includes Zane. So, who does that leave? That leaves 3PO.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Interesting. Do you have this quote to hand, Master Luminara? Wow I was really looking forward to hearing we found another scummy sith basterd. Then I heard I was the scummy sith basterd. Well I am not. Yesterday I've been working behind the screens with a number of our most outspoken townspeople. My intentions were pure. I am a pure Jedi. My mind isn't taken over by the darkside. Here are a couple of theories I have about the result: 1. The shrink/cop is insane. Only one way to find out unfortunately and that is to lynch me. 2. There is a framer amoungst us. He replaced my usually green lightsaber with a red one. 3. There is a redirector amoughst us. The cop targeted me but he got redirected to someone else, a member of team sith, thus my scummy result. 4. I am a member of the sith and I am lying to you. (which is not true) Well, it is odd that he connected the cop and the shrink, when all anyone ever said about how he was found out was he was visited by the investigator. At that time, I still thought the Shrink was distinct from the Investigator. In fact, I'm still confused. Are they one and the same? I contacted Roron early yesterday and asked him "Did you get conformation from the shrink yet?" to which he replied "Yeah, I got confirmation from the shrink, he did NOT successfully Shrink the SK." Which lead me to believe that the shrink was one thing specifically tied to the SK, and the investigator, another.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 I trust Coryn's judgement. Vote: C3PO (Brickdoctor)
Dannylonglegs Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 I certainly didn't give out the information, and Master Corobb said that he didn't either. Zane's a possibility, but Sherlock claims to have not told anyone - and I assume that includes Zane. So, who does that leave? That leaves 3PO. Well, that certainly is possible. More possible, I guess, than him guessing and finding out for himself. So let me get this straight. The Shrink investigates one person per night to find the SK, and then, once the SK is found he/she can Shrink the SK and make him sane? <That's all just my guess at how his role works, because I want to make sure I understand this guy correctly. Does that mean there is a regular cop out there too?
Tamamono Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Well, that certainly is possible. More possible, I guess, than him guessing and finding out for himself. So let me get this straight. The Shrink investigates one person per night to find the SK, and then, once the SK is found he/she can Shrink the SK and make him sane? <That's all just my guess at how his role works, because I want to make sure I understand this guy correctly. Does that mean there is a regular cop out there too? To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. Sherlock never explained it to me in great detail. All I know is that he's a shrink who finds red lightsabers. In any case, that's still useful, right?
Peanuts Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. Sherlock never explained it to me in great detail. All I know is that he's a shrink who finds red lightsabers. In any case, that's still useful, right? While this would sound extremely fishy under normal circumstances, well, we've already got Hugar only thanks to that shrink, so he is confirmed. So, as long as he keeps finding red lightsabers, he shall keep shrinking as much as he wants.
Tamamono Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 While this would sound extremely fishy under normal circumstances, well, we've already got Hugar only thanks to that shrink, so he is confirmed. So, as long as he keeps finding red lightsabers, he shall keep shrinking as much as he wants. My thoughts exactly.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. Sherlock never explained it to me in great detail. All I know is that he's a shrink who finds red lightsabers. In any case, that's still useful, right? Certainly! You could ask him, right? You've got his name. I trust you, but I don't think your argument is watertight. There's still the Zane loose end, and the possibility that he just guessed, or combined the two because they were the only roles being spoken of and some investigative ability of the Shrink was deducible.
ADHO15 Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Thank you, Master Mundi. I found it myself after I notice Luminara had left. Alright, I'm becoming convinced that Hugar did receive information about the cop/shrink as it seems he did not get that information in-thread. I assume that as Sherlock is said cop/shrink, you, Coryn, trust his word that he told no one but the three Cs? And Zane is the protector (?), who you trust as well, but you consider him a possibility, if he does know. So apart from you, that leaves two possible traitors and an unlikely traitor? So it seems like there is some room for leaks to appear.
Tamamono Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Alright, I'm becoming convinced that Hugar did receive information about the cop/shrink as it seems he did not get that information in-thread. I assume that as Sherlock is said cop/shrink, you, Coryn, trust his word that he told no one but the three Cs? And Zane is the protector (?), who you trust as well, but you consider him a possibility, if he does know. So apart from you, that leaves two possible traitors and an unlikely traitor? So it seems like there is some room for leaks to appear. Yes, I trust that Sherlock told no one but us about his results. No, Zane is not the protector, Totoro is the protector. I don't consider Zane a possibility because I find it unlikely that he was the source of the leak, because I don't think Sherlock would have told Zane anything if he suspected Zane was scum.
Flare Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Well, it seems the only way that we'll be able to move forward is if we lynch the droid, if he's Sith then we know that Coryn is telling the truth and apparently also Mace, and if he turns up innocent then we'll know who to go after next Vote: C-3PO (Brickdoctor)
Peanuts Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 Well, it seems the only way that we'll be able to move forward is if we lynch the droid, if he's Sith then we know that Coryn is telling the truth and apparently also Mace, and if he turns up innocent then we'll know who to go after next Vote: C-3PO (Brickdoctor) Actually, if 3Po is scum, doesn't mean that Windu was right, and if he is town, there's still plenty of possibloe other lynchees for tomorrow. I came to think about the SK. Should the shrink be actively trying to heal them? Okay, they have killed two of us in a row, but we have definitely been dominating the Sith so far, so the SK would be stupid to work with them. They could try and help us by going for more scummy people which would be useful for both us and the SK, if we manage to kill the Sith faster.
Tamamono Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 I came to think about the SK. Should the shrink be actively trying to heal them? Okay, they have killed two of us in a row, but we have definitely been dominating the Sith so far, so the SK would be stupid to work with them. They could try and help us by going for more scummy people which would be useful for both us and the SK, if we manage to kill the Sith faster. To be perfectly honest, I don't care if the SK keeps killing off quiet, inactive townies. He/she will probably even hit a Sith at some point. No, the Sherlock will be using his investigator action for the remainder of the game. If we need to kill/shrink the SK in order to win, then we can do that at the end.
Peanuts Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 To be perfectly honest, I don't care if the SK keeps killing off quiet, inactive townies. He/she will probably even hit a Sith at some point. No, the Sherlock will be using his investigator action for the remainder of the game. If we need to kill/shrink the SK in order to win, then we can do that at the end. Right, I forgot we had to take out all non-Jedi. Anyway, I'm glad the Sith ome first, but I wonder, can Sherlock use either shrink or investigation or does his night action do both at the same time? This sounds like he had to choose.
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