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Beep bip booop dip dup doooop bip.

[i will say that I do think there's the possibility that the Sith targetted Corobb for reasons entirely unrelated to C-3PO, whether or not he's among them. It's also possible that they overruled him because they realized what a threat Corobb was to them.

None of this, IMO, gets us past the question of whether or not we should test some of these theories by voting for C-3PO. I think there are other highly suspicious candidates, too, and wouldn't have much problem with voting for Monn or most any of you. That said, I think that C-3PO is a divisive figure at this point. Regardless of whether or not he's a Sith, and I will confess that I think the odds of it are reasonably good, he's difficult to leave alive. His situation stands in the way of us learning more about everyone else.

For now, FoS: C-3PO (Brickdoctor). This is where my vote will most likely go unless some more substantial evidence comes forward later in the day.

Lastly, why did Sherlock investigate Corobb if he had already entrusted his role, results, and very life to him?]

I agree with that. I don't think the case against C-3PO is rock-solid, as Coryn seems to think (obviously, as one of them has to be scum), but I think his accusation is valid. We have to act on this situation, we can't risk having a scum that high in our townie organization.

And, Euna, it's more than a "gut feeling". Have you payed any attention to the case? I agree with Coryn, your distraction reeks of scum.

That is not to say, that I wouldn't like to lynch Master Monn. He's been around far too long now. But unless some evidence comes up, I consider C-3PO as best candidate for tactical reasons.

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Interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if C-3PO was actually Scum. I was wiling to believe it when Mace began claiming, but I was being gullible. I don't know now whether or nor not Mace was lying then, because his motivation for claiming is beyond my comprehension. :hmpf: I do however, trust Coryn. He and Roron are/were the only two I really trust. I'm not a trusting person, but off the bat, I got a townie read from Coryn, . He targeted Mace very early-on, and was a clear help to Coryn yesterday in Lynching Hugar. So, because I trust Coryn, I distrust C-3PO. Also, I find Nahdar Vebb's argument rather convincing and after his first day tirade, I'm inclined to trust him more too. I'm quite busy, so I'll talk more later. FoS: C-3PO (Brickdoctor)

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It was not "obvious that the no-kill pact had been broken". Another fact that your play omits: the pact applied to kills by Scum. At that point, you were as confused as I was as to who had done the killing. (and I don't know about you, but I still am)

Even if Master Corobb's death wasn't the work of the scum, the fact that he flipped town still meant that if one of us Three C's was scum, it's you. All other explanations for how Master Sith knew about the shrink and the lightsaber are incredibly far-fetched.

For the record, At this point, lynching C-3PO might be a good idea, to be honest, if he turns out Scum, not only would we have the benefit of the lynch, we also would have some interesting points for the coming days.

Exactly. If 3PO flips scum (which I think it's very likely he will), those who have been trying to distract us from him will be under scrutiny.

The conversation I had with C-3PO regarding Hugar on day 1 revolved around me suggesting to C-3PO that someone (I did not say who) was phishing for a protector for him. C-3PO later asked me if it was Hugar as he had recieved the same note. It was at this point I decided to go public with my suspicions on Hugar. For this reason, I lean toward C-3PO being templie on day 1.

There is the possibility that C-3PO saw the writing on the wall if he heard from Corobb and Coryn that they had gotten the same message from Hugar, and decided that to be safe, he would try to mislead me as well in the process by appearing super pro-templie and outing Hugar at the same time that Windu was being voted out. This seems pretty unlikely to me, though.

So my theory is, that if C-3PO is scum, he was converted.

Yes, I see no reason for him to bus two of his fellow scum in the same day, so it's very likely that he was converted. It actually makes perfect sense, to be honest. Was there anyone who really believed what Windu said? Anyone at all? I think his plan was to pretty much clear a townie with his accusations, and then to convert that townie. Obviously, someone who the scum tried to claw at as they were dying would become a trusted townie in no time, right?

Lastly, why did Sherlock investigate Corobb if he had already entrusted his role, results, and very life to him?

Corobb wanted him to check to see if he was insane. :facepalm: Please note for the future, guys, that sanity tests should only really be performed when you don't have someone being lynched whose affiliation will pretty much confirm your sanity. :wall:

Do both C-3PO and Coryn agree that Roron and Sherlock Holmes never shared information with anyone else? How sure are the two of you that the leak of information originated from the other?

I've talked to Sherlock about it, and he said he's told no one. As for Roron, why would he accuse me and 3PO of being scum if he had told other people about the shrink and the lightsaber? :sceptic:

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We know Roron was Town, and I highly doubt that he would share the information. Sherlock might have let it slip out and doesn't realize it, but other than that small possibility, then the leak would have to have come from either Coryn or myself.

Badeep boop beeep sceeuuw.

[so you agree that it's most likely one of you two who let Hugar know, but you don't think it was Coryn? At least, I infer the latter from the fact that you have yet to accuse Coryn of anything other than misguided suspicion based on a coincidence of timing.]

The other possibility is that Hugar learned that we thought he was the SK and/or learned that we thought we had a Psychiatrist and got lucky with a guess. I don't know if any of the others told anyone that we thought Hugar was the SK, but the only one I told was Artoo, who I believe is Town based on his bussing of Hugar on Day One while we were focusing on Windu.

Bip beeeep badoop bip beep.

[Yes, you told me of that suspicion which I believe originated with Corobb. I have reviewed my correspondence data files and find no evidence that I even hinted at such a thing to Hugar, so he didn't learn of that suspicion from me. That said, I think approaching this from the perspective that Hugar knew of an SK suspicion is distracting from the original problem with Hugar's communication. Everyone knew of the shrink. Corobb mentioned it publicly prior to Coryn revealing that Hugar was the identified Sith. When you had a chance to reveal the name publicly prior to Coryn doing it, you mentioned issues with the role claim and didn't out Ssiht yourself. Was this discussed between you three or were you still hoping to get the result suppressed for another night?

The fact that Hugar knew of an SK suspicion on him or not doesn't change the fact that he was aware of the shrink and the red lightsaber. To me, the lightsaber is the smoking gun here. That was information that he shouldn't have had even though he knew about the shrink. The shrink had no reason to be aware prior to night 1 that his results would return information in the form of lightsaber evidence. None of the rest of us knew about the lightsaber until Coryn revealed it today. All we knew was that the result came up Ssiht=Sith. We didn't know the detail.

It's also worth pointing out that you haven't tried to deny that Hugar knew of both of these things without needing to. You have denied some things peripheral to the main accusation - that you told Hugar of the result details. The other things are distractions from that. You haven't even really denied that you told him. Everything you've said suggests that Coryn is telling the full truth but just misinterpreting it. IMO, if you agree that Hugar had information he shouldn't have, and don't seem to think it's worth attacking Coryn, then it must be you.]

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Well, MegaBloks. :sceptic:

Glad to see we got another one, but I'm quite upset that we lost Roron. If the killers are any indication, it was a Vig kill, too.

Why are you trying to distract us with this kind of theory? The Shadow Trooper I believe is the scum killer and he didn't use a saber because he hasn't been trained to equip or use one.

A newb or n00b Vig might've glanced over some of the things said against Corobb Yesterday and decided to kill him, but I agree. Why a clone, though?

Again why are you trying to push it as a vig kill on us? I have strong reason to believe that there is not a vig in this particular game. I was already suspicious of you after reading these comments. Trying to negate the fact that it was a scum who got Master Roron to clear yourself of being scum would be a good strategy, wouldn't it?

Especially once Coryn revealed the "Three C" pact had been violated, proposing the vig situation would have cleared you nicely. Unfortunately none of us fell for it. Then you turned attention to those who have been acting suspicious, which is granted, but I do think strongly you are the droid we are looking for.

Well, there you have it, folks. For those of you who don't like plays, I'll sum it up here: Hugar Sith revealed info yesterday that only us, the three C's, knew. Therefore, one of us must have been in contact with Hugar Sith, and therefore his scumbuddy.

So, 3PO, what do you have to say for yourself?

Yes, this is the most incriminating evidence thus far, I already had a strong Town read on you and Roron, and as I pointed out, how did Master Sshit know about the lightsaber as being the evidence for the investigator? One of you told him, and that person is obviously C-3PO.

At first, I was a bit unsure that it was 3PO who killed Master Corobb, but now I'm almost sure of it. His flawed arguments and WIFOM absolutely screams 'guilty'. I think we have another correct lynch for today. :thumbup:

I agree, and no matter what, I am voting for C-3PO today, the other scummy behavior by the other suspects can be investigated further the following days.

The slightly more likely option (in my mind) would be that Master Windu was telling the truth, and the droid has indeed been the cybernetic brain behind the evil in this temple all along. It would mean Windu was an incredibly selfish person, you would say, but is that really the case? His supposed role, the Usurper, is basically a solo role, would mean that he would only win if the Godfather was killed, a scum victory with the Godfather alive would still mean he would not have won. Plus, if Monn's slip-up is anything to go by, the scum's number would allow for such a role to exist. Looking back, what did C-3PO really do, to add to the conversation? He added a lot, sure, but does that rule him out to be scum, not at all, I think. The lynchee was not brought forward at first by him, and he could have decided to cut Windu loose. It's also even a possibility Windu mentioned that he was the usurper to his Sith-mates, which would for sure be a reason to cut him loose. All in all, I think it's a definite possibility that Windu just decided, you know what, there is the off-chance this way I still win.

That theory is very likely providing that the Blocker blocked C-3PO (Godfather) on Night 1. If not, the scum converted C-3PO or decided to convert another loyal Jedi because most likely the scum knew that C-3PO was going to have quite a few night actions targeted at him. He would have been killed already if there was a vig, further reason to find odd his pushing the vig theory on us.

It's also worth pointing out that you haven't tried to deny that Hugar knew of both of these things without needing to. You have denied some things peripheral to the main accusation - that you told Hugar of the result details. The other things are distractions from that. You haven't even really denied that you told him. Everything you've said suggests that Coryn is telling the full truth but just misinterpreting it. IMO, if you agree that Hugar had information he shouldn't have, and don't seem to think it's worth attacking Coryn, then it must be you.]

I agree with R2-D2, the information he has provided and logic are clearly pointing to C-3PO being a scum.

FoS: C-3PO (Brickdoctor)

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Distraction? Unlikely? Come on, guys, try to think how a Sith would think for a second. If someone made a slip-up like that, what would the others tell the Sith in private? To play it off as a mistake or a joke. I believe he meant what he said, and that he meant that there are seven Sith, which would be a distinct possiblity. Since almost no one seems to think I'm right, I'll drop this for now, so we can focus on the matter at hand, because let's face it, I am afraid C-3PO would be a greater threat, if he really was Scum.

Sorry, where did you get the "seven Sith" from? I was just a bit confused by this. :look:

Guys, don't forget about Ili Seosty who has been acting scummy for the last couple days... inactive and scummy...

This reeks of scumminity! Don't worry, you'll get your chance to be lynched once C-3PO has had his. :grin:

:hmpf: Inactive, definitely, why has she not been replaced by someone else yet, exactly? But not the matter at hand.

For the record, At this point, lynching C-3PO might be a good idea, to be honest, if he turns out Scum, not only would we have the benefit of the lynch, we also would have some interesting points for the coming days.

If he turns out innocent, what would we have lost? An active townie that as a result of recent events was under constant scrutiny, limiting possibilities for cooperation.

It is really harsh, but it is something to consider.

I didn't think I'd agree with you on this, but you do bring out some very good points. I don't really see how lynching C-3PO can be too much of a loss for the town at this point.

[The conversation I had with C-3PO regarding Hugar on day 1 revolved around me suggesting to C-3PO that someone (I did not say who) was phishing for a protector for him. C-3PO later asked me if it was Hugar as he had recieved the same note. It was at this point I decided to go public with my suspicions on Hugar. For this reason, I lean toward C-3PO being templie on day 1.

There is the possibility that C-3PO saw the writing on the wall if he heard from Corobb and Coryn that they had gotten the same message from Hugar, and decided that to be safe, he would try to mislead me as well in the process by appearing super pro-templie and outing Hugar at the same time that Windu was being voted out. This seems pretty unlikely to me, though.

I'm just wondering, did anyone else get this PM from the dead Ssiht? If no one, or few did, then I don't think it is unlikely that C-3PO just made up that he got it. :oh:

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Middle of the day and accusation are thrown around again.

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Coryn believes that C-3PO is scum, and come up with an unnecessary play to explain it. Since Coryn is Coryn, everyone follows him. The creator of FoS is apparently awesome (Seriously, why haven't we mod-killed him for that yet, Masked?)

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Someone shouts "Why waste a lynch on him? We can just pull some wires!"

Someone else yells "This white one looks important!"

"Half of these wires are white, how do we tell which is which?" says the first person.

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Gree pushes through the crowd, shoving C-3PO out of the way. "You can't just kill him now! It screws up the whole purpose of the game!" The Jedi give him weird looks. They then shake of the thought of this being a game. Obviously a cloning mishap.

You may now vote. You have 48 hours to reach a conviction.

Posted

Chirp tweet chirp chirp whistle. (Ditto. Vote: C3PO (Brickdoctor) Also, technically I did the FoS: Gibberty (Gooberty) thing first. You should modkill me. :tongue: )

Posted

It's time to vote, and nothing else has come up. The lines seems to be drawn, and either Coryn or C-3PO must be scum. So, therefore, I'll vote: C-3PO (Brickdoctor).

May the force be with us and help us continue our streak :sweet:

Posted

I'll see how this plays out. I'll vote for C3PO because I trust Coryn, but if this goes sour, he looses my trust. Coryn lead the attack on Mace, and helped stick it to Ssiht, So, I'll trust him now. Also, I'm not entirely sold by C-3PO's defense. If there was indeed this no-kill pact which was supposed to come out at Roron's death, I don't see why C-3PO didn't come out with it too or even first. The only reason that makes sense to me is, that accusing Coryn, and getting him lynched would result in an innocent dead.

Vote: C-3PO (Brickdoctor)

Posted

Even if Master Corobb's death wasn't the work of the scum, the fact that he flipped town still meant that if one of us Three C's was scum, it's you. All other explanations for how Master Sith knew about the shrink and the lightsaber are incredibly far-fetched.

That's not the point. The point is that the pact specifically mentioned that those on the no-kill list were not to be killed by Scum, and I believed the Shadow ARF to be the Vig.

Badeep boop beeep sceeuuw.

[so you agree that it's most likely one of you two who let Hugar know, but you don't think it was Coryn? At least, I infer the latter from the fact that you have yet to accuse Coryn of anything other than misguided suspicion based on a coincidence of timing.]

I think it's most realistic that the leak came from one of us. That being said, Coryn's behavior Today doesn't strike me as Scummy, and I know I'm not Scum, so my conclusion is that the leak came from one of the, as Coryn says, far-fetched possibilities.

Bip beeeep badoop bip beep.

[Yes, you told me of that suspicion which I believe originated with Corobb. I have reviewed my correspondence data files and find no evidence that I even hinted at such a thing to Hugar, so he didn't learn of that suspicion from me. That said, I think approaching this from the perspective that Hugar knew of an SK suspicion is distracting from the original problem with Hugar's communication. Everyone knew of the shrink. Corobb mentioned it publicly prior to Coryn revealing that Hugar was the identified Sith. When you had a chance to reveal the name publicly prior to Coryn doing it, you mentioned issues with the role claim and didn't out Ssiht yourself. Was this discussed between you three or were you still hoping to get the result suppressed for another night?

I didn't know until the result came in that the Psychiatrist and the Cop were the same, and I didn't even know who that being was, so I assumed that we would be discussing it and if I had to do it, I didn't want to bring out the result until I knew for sure what was going on.

The fact that Hugar knew of an SK suspicion on him or not doesn't change the fact that he was aware of the shrink and the red lightsaber. To me, the lightsaber is the smoking gun here. That was information that he shouldn't have had even though he knew about the shrink. The shrink had no reason to be aware prior to night 1 that his results would return information in the form of lightsaber evidence. None of the rest of us knew about the lightsaber until Coryn revealed it today. All we knew was that the result came up Ssiht=Sith. We didn't know the detail.

Actually, Roron's private message to us said that the Cop uses the color of lightsaber to determine alignment, so I assume that the Scum team has/had a Framer, and the Framer's role PM mentioned swapping 'sabers in order to confuse the Cop.

It's also worth pointing out that you haven't tried to deny that Hugar knew of both of these things without needing to. You have denied some things peripheral to the main accusation - that you told Hugar of the result details. The other things are distractions from that. You haven't even really denied that you told him. Everything you've said suggests that Coryn is telling the full truth but just misinterpreting it. IMO, if you agree that Hugar had information he shouldn't have, and don't seem to think it's worth attacking Coryn, then it must be you.]

I assumed it was obvious. Fine, I didn't tell him. Does that make things any better?

But since you mention it, I was actually the one who first pointed out in our private conversation that Hugar knew about the lightsaber:

Did you guys notice badboy's second point in his 'defense'? He mentioned a Framer replacing his green lightsaber with a red one. How'd he know that that was how the investigator received his results?

Oh wow, I didn't even notice that. :oh: This is what I get for trying to read quickly while I'm tired. :laugh:

Well, I highly doubt that it was just a lucky guess, so we're going to need to ask Sherlock who else knows his results. So far only the three of us do (and possibly Zane, but that's another story), so if nothing else, then it's probably safe to assume that one of us is scum. :sceptic: Damn it, I really thought I had put together a trustworthy group here. :wall:

Or badboy is the Scum Framer and his role PM mentions the use of lightsabers to determine identity.

Oh, that's definitely a possibility as well.

So, yeah, I don't deny that Hugar shouldn't have known about it, because I was the one who brought it up in the first place.

Why are you trying to distract us with this kind of theory? The Shadow Trooper I believe is the scum killer and he didn't use a saber because he hasn't been trained to equip or use one.

Again why are you trying to push it as a vig kill on us? I have strong reason to believe that there is not a vig in this particular game. I was already suspicious of you after reading these comments. Trying to negate the fact that it was a scum who got Master Roron to clear yourself of being scum would be a good strategy, wouldn't it?

Well, I didn't believe that the Shadow ARF was the Scum killer. And I still don't really know what to think of the killers. Even Coryn's initial thought was that it was a Vig kill:

No! Flipz! :cry_sad: We'll miss you, buddy. :cry_sad:

Well, Doc, I don't know what to say to you. :sceptic: Normally I'd think that you were scum because of this, but the fact that it's probably a vig kill confuses everything. :wall:

Oh, and I Vote: Voolvif Monn (JackJonespaw). If you need a reason why, they you seriously aren't paying enough attention to this situation.

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Well, I should have waited 30 minutes before Voting. I was critical of Lli, and Foul on day one for having voted early, and now I'm worried I made the same mistake.

That's not the point. The point is that the pact specifically mentioned that those on the no-kill list were not to be killed by Scum, and I believed the Shadow ARF to be the Vig.

This is getting crazy! I REALLY want to know if this was a scum kill or a vig kill. Would the Vig, if there is one, please talk to someone trusty!? Or something.

There's so much talk of a leak and this "no-kill pact," But isn't it possible, or even probable that the scum killed Roron because he was usefull to the town? Incredibly so? Yesterday, Roron lead the lynch against sSiht, with obvious collaboration with one or more of the special roles. He was killed because he was a leader to us, and their goal is to throw us into chaos and keep us in the dark. I don't think you need a no-kill pact to explain his murder.

Actually, Roron's private message to us said that the Cop uses the color of lightsaber to determine alignment, so I assume that the Scum team has/had a Framer, and the Framer's role PM mentioned swapping 'sabers in order to confuse the Cop.

This is reasonable. This is a reasonable explanation for why they would know about the lightsabers without anyone "leaking info." They may very well have been told in their role PMs that their lightsabers show up red under investigation, which would explain the whole thing. That's what I thought when I pointed out that Ssiht mentioned light-sabers yesterday.

Well, I didn't believe that the Shadow ARF was the Scum killer. And I still don't really know what to think of the killers. Even Coryn's initial thought was that it was a Vig kill:

I don't think it's a vig. I admit, I expected a red lightsaber wielding cloaked figure, but there's also a bloody commando droid wielding a vibro-sword for the force's sake. I didn't expect that at all. One of them's a SK, I think. and I definitely think that the gun wielding Shadow Arc trooper is Scum. Why? He/She killed Roron.

Oh, and I Vote: Voolvif Monn (JackJonespaw). If you need a reason why, they you seriously aren't paying enough attention to this situation.

Fair enough. He's been acting scummy.

So, C-3PO, just to clarify, are you saying you don't think Coryn is scum?

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So, C-3PO, just to clarify, are you saying you don't think Coryn is scum?

Yes. At the beginning of the Day, I was pretty sure that one of us was, and I know it's not me, but seeing how hard Coryn has tried to get my lynched, I'm thinking that he's Town. I had claimed Vanilla to him in private. (and I don't see any reason not to tell all of you, so I don't mind mentioning that here) I haven't done enough to hurt the Scum to make me worth taking out at all costs. Coryn, I'm sure, knows full well how much suspicion he will be under if I am lynched and come up Town. If he's Scum, he would know that I'm Town, and also that I would probably be telling the truth when I claimed Vanilla. If he's Scum, he would know that I'm not worth enough to risk his getting himself lynched after I come up Town.
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*snip*

Well, I regret voting for you. I shouldn't vote while preoccupied. I think you're both innocent. None of the evidence presented is really damning of you.

Correct me if I'm wrong, here's what I think the evidence against C-3PO is:

*Roron began suspecting one of you because he believed that the Lightsaber color investigation thingy was leaked to the scum because Ssiht said what he said about the lightsabers.

*He made the "no-kill" pact that if he gets killed, it was one of you and one of you should come out with that info after his death.

*Coryn came out with that info.

*C-3PO mentions other suspects.

Is this all right?

I don't think that's nearly enough evidence to call him scum yet. I'm not saying I don't suspect C-3PO anymore. I'm saying I think I voted too soon and there's still much to talk about.

Posted

Vote: Voolvif Monn (JackJonespaw). he's just way too suspicious.

The way you voted with the person under the most scrutiny today is duly noted. :wink:

Yes. At the beginning of the Day, I was pretty sure that one of us was, and I know it's not me, but seeing how hard Coryn has tried to get my lynched, I'm thinking that he's Town. I had claimed Vanilla to him in private. (and I don't see any reason not to tell all of you, so I don't mind mentioning that here) I haven't done enough to hurt the Scum to make me worth taking out at all costs. Coryn, I'm sure, knows full well how much suspicion he will be under if I am lynched and come up Town. If he's Scum, he would know that I'm Town, and also that I would probably be telling the truth when I claimed Vanilla. If he's Scum, he would know that I'm not worth enough to risk his getting himself lynched after I come up Town.

With all due respect, 3PO, the only thing you can do at this point is try to take me down with/instead of you. I find it absolutely hilarious how you're trying to take the 'high road' and not FoSing me. :laugh:

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With all due respect, 3PO, the only thing you can do at this point is try to take me down with/instead of you. I find it absolutely hilarious how you're trying to take the 'high road' and not FoSing me. :laugh:

:hmpf: I'm not trying to take you down with me because I believe that you're Town, and I want to be able to win this thing with the Town.
Posted

I am going to hold off my vote for now, the case against C 3PO is not the strongest case. For me if we lynch 3PO and he turns out to be town we lose a valuable townie. Then again the way master Tiin just followed 3PO is sucspious, it suggests they are both scum and have acsses to a private room to decide who to vote. I need to think this over for an hour or 2.

Posted

Vote: C-3PO (Brickdoctor)

We have to be sure that there is no leak, and the easiest way to do this is to lynch C-3PO. The scum took Master Windu's flailing and finger-pointing at C-3PO as the perfect oppertunity to recruit him to their team, with any suspicion being dispelled by the fact that he was name as scum by a lynched Sith. This conversion would also explain the apparent lack of Sith kill night one. I'm happy about this one. :classic:

Oh and Master Vos? I will be taking record of the fact that you ignore C-3PO's Sithiness and Vote with him this late, I reckon you'll make a fair lynch for tomorrow. Sith.

Nahdar? Anyone? Why won't anyone at least let me touch them? :cry_sad:

(Damn I meant Master Tiin. Got characters confused sorry.) :blush:

Posted

Hm, while it's not the strongest case in the world, it's too big of a risk to keep you around, C-3PO, if we are wrong, too bad.

Vote: C-3PO (Brickdoctor)

Oh, and Coryn, I believe you haven't responded to my question about the blocker on night 1, care to awnser me, either in private or here? Thanks :sweet:

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(Seriously, why haven't we mod-killed him for that yet, Masked?)

I believe that "Peanuts" was the first one to suggest it...but I could be wrong. :laugh:

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