Jedi Temple Mafia - Day One

[swils]

No. You first made a statement that was basically roleplaying explaining to Ahsoka how the Sith infiltrated us, and then stated that you had no idea who to lynch. Ahsoka took that as reason to say that we didn't need to vote at all. At that point, Ahsoka is the suspicious one who has suggested something which is pretty much useless for the Town and done so with your roleplaying as reason. But, then, you come in and expand the idea of how to not lynch anyone.

And you say that you were clarifying what you had said when you decided to expand on Ahsoka's idea. If you were clarifying an original idea from before Ahsoka's statement, then you, in fact, suggested the idea of not voting first, so you lied when you reminded us that you were only giving your thoughts on what you say she had first suggested.

And you say you did all that to avoid an accusation. Again, this feels very defensive to me.

Ahsoka suggested a no-lynch through unanimous no-vote, and asked for thoughts. I suggested that if we were to go for a no-lynch, we do it through a non-majority tie rather than accruing penalties for tomorrow. I didn't actually suggest we do it; rather, I suggested we vote based on what happened today, as there was plenty of time left. Then Master Secura blew everything out of proportion and accused me of being a Sith. In turn, I countered her points and explained (or at least, tried to do so) how she was mistaken, and her proposed scenario poorly established.

Now, I'd expect that you are going to tell me that, by not simply discouraging my padawan's suggestion in its entirety in the first place, I wasn't doing the Order any favors, and I would agree with you. It was a mistake on my part to delve into the matter at all, I realize this. But yes, I stand by my statement that I clarified my words in order to avoid a second accusation, of the nature I mentioned. If Aayla was so quick to jump on me over a misunderstanding, is it so far fetched to believe that she would attempt to stir up more trouble for me, if I had simply shrugged off her initial accusation?

And you say that you were clarifying what you had said when you decided to expand on Ahsoka's idea. If you were clarifying an original idea from before Ahsoka's statement, then you, in fact, suggested the idea of not voting first, so you lied when you reminded us that you were only giving your thoughts on what you say she had first suggested.

My bad, I confused Ahsoka with Aayla. Confusing Clone Wars Jedi.

The point stands, however, that you supported Ahsoka's idea of not voting, and you did more than just offer your thoughts.

Ah, name-confusion would explain why your second paragraph was a bit difficult to follow.

[TheBoyWonder]

This is interesting. Anakin seems defensive and people are suggesting a no lynch. We should Lynch, as not may help the Sith.

[Scubacarrot]

Hmpf, why did no one feel the need to wake me up, when this all started?

Anyway, to the issue at hand, I propose we are all as active as we can, that meaning no useless statements AKA "This is terrible!" Must I remind you the Jedi-Code? Such blattering is not helpful to our case of finding the Sith among us. I also am pleased to see that we all HAVE to vote or suffer a penalty, this should make it harder for the Sith to hide among us in the shadows... Not so good is the No-Unvoting rule, I imagine it can be easy for a Sith to cast their vote as a "mistake", therefore not being able to held accountable for it. Keep this in mind, so be very careful when you vote...

Now, on the discussion already going on. Skywalker's proposition of not reaching a vote is not a good idea, I feel. I have meditated, and seen a similair case, among tophats and steam engines, where the same was tried, and they got lucky. Very lucky, not to mention, the situations are entirely different. If we would do as you say, we would give this scum free reign to kill at will, which can not be a good thing... I propose we do vote someone out, but that we do so carefully and responsibly.

Now, a minor thing, which could turn out to be nothing, but at the beginning, Corobb called our enemies Sithspawn. Was there a particular reason for this, or just a matter of speaking?

[swils]

I suggested that if we were to go for a no-lynch, we do it through a non-majority tie rather than accruing penalties for tomorrow. I didn't actually suggest we do it; rather, I suggested we vote based on what happened today, as there was plenty of time left.

Now, I'd expect that you are going to tell me that, by not simply discouraging my padawan's suggestion in its entirety in the first place, I wasn't doing the Order any favors, and I would agree with you. It was a mistake on my part to delve into the matter at all, I realize this.

[Brickdoctor]

Now, a minor thing, which could turn out to be nothing, but at the beginning, Corobb called our enemies Sithspawn. Was there a particular reason for this, or just a matter of speaking?

It's a common curse.

[Skull-Mark_Ladybug]

Now, on the discussion already going on. Skywalker's proposition of not reaching a vote is not a good idea, I feel. I have meditated, and seen a similair case, among tophats and steam engines, where the same was tried, and they got lucky. Very lucky, not to mention, the situations are entirely different. If we would do as you say, we would give this scum free reign to kill at will, which can not be a good thing... I propose we do vote someone out, but that we do so carefully and responsibly.

To be fair it was me who originally suggested not voting.

[Scubacarrot]

It's a common curse.

Ah, I did not know that, thanks for educating me, droid.

And I don't think it matters who said what first, I was not accusing any one, and even if I was, I don't think it would hold weight, as there seems to always be one or two misguided induviduals that suggest this, at least from holovids I have seen, that is.

[Jedi master Brick]

Sorry I am late to contribute in the discussion of this dreadful charity, I have been giving it much thought though. We must be quick and stay on target. Master Corobb ha been very quick to ask us minor jedi to tell him about ourselves, which 3-cpo say that may benefit the town. 3-cpo understood and helped. It could be Master Corobb is a sith and 3-CPO is also a sith trying to get master Corobb out of a sticky situation. It could be Master Corobb is sith and 3-CPO though his intentions were good. And it could be how 3-CPO say it is, Corobb is trying to start a dissuasion. Please not most of the above are just theorys and I am not making any serious accusations yet but we need to have our options clear to us

[Flipz]

Now, a minor thing, which could turn out to be nothing, but at the beginning, Corobb called our enemies Sithspawn. Was there a particular reason for this, or just a matter of speaking?

" Pardon my Corellian. In the intenseness of this situation, I seem to have discarded my proper decorm. Forgive me, Masters."

"As to the discussion about not lynching, though the idea itself is not helpful, the responses to it may very well be. It's not much to go on now, but in conjunction with other discussions later on in the day it may tip the balance in the favor of one candidate over another."

"Now, as something has come up in a discussion in private, I'd like to ask: does anyone expect any...extra insights from the Force during the Day today? If so, please contact me and/or someone you feel you can trust. I hope that my attempts to spark discussion have proved myself helpful and trustworthy, but if not I gladly offer myself up for scrutiny, I truly do have the best interests of the Temple, the Order, and the Republic at heart."

[Brickdoctor]

Sorry I am late to contribute in the discussion of this dreadful charity, I have been giving it much thought though. We must be quick and stay on target. Master Corobb ha been very quick to ask us minor jedi to tell him about ourselves, which 3-cpo say that may benefit the town. 3-cpo understood and helped. It could be Master Corobb is a sith and 3-CPO is also a sith trying to get master Corobb out of a sticky situation. It could be Master Corobb is sith and 3-CPO though his intentions were good. And it could be how 3-CPO say it is, Corobb is trying to start a dissuasion. Please not most of the above are just theorys and I am not making any serious accusations yet but we need to have our options clear to us

So, in other words, I might be Scum, and I might not be Scum, and Roron might be Scum, and Roron might not be Scum, and we might both be Scum, and we might both not be Scum, and you're not serious about any of it. Oh, yeah, that is helpful.

[Scubacarrot]

Sorry I am late to contribute in the discussion of this dreadful charity, I have been giving it much thought though. We must be quick and stay on target. Master Corobb ha been very quick to ask us minor jedi to tell him about ourselves, which 3-cpo say that may benefit the town. 3-cpo understood and helped. It could be Master Corobb is a sith and 3-CPO is also a sith trying to get master Corobb out of a sticky situation. It could be Master Corobb is sith and 3-CPO though his intentions were good. And it could be how 3-CPO say it is, Corobb is trying to start a dissuasion. Please not most of the above are just theorys and I am not making any serious accusations yet but we need to have our options clear to us

Now this strikes me as a bit odd. You are sticking up for someone else in your first post, you are insinuating someone is scum, and at the end saying its just theories.. You said "Most of the above" are theories, care to tell us what is not?

To me this seems like you are trying to spread discord... I'll keep my eye on you. And I think it is a very viable question to ask to tell us more about the ones we don't have a history on the Wookiepedia Holonet, for all we know, the ones we don't know are the sith, and they are hiding in plain sight...

[Flipz]

Now this strikes me as a bit odd. You are sticking up for someone else in your first post, you are insinuating someone is scum, and at the end saying its just theories.. You said "Most of the above" are theories, care to tell us what is not?

To me this seems like you are trying to spread discord... I'll keep my eye on you. And I think it is a very viable question to ask to tell us more about the ones we don't have a history on the Wookiepedia Holonet, for all we know, the ones we don't know are the sith, and they are hiding in plain sight...

"This was indeed my line of thinking. That, and I couldn't stand the thought that they might be major characters that I inexplicably knew nothing about. "

[Fred Daniel Yam]

And this is why I hate Coruscant.

It seems that there has already been much debate on whether we should vote or not. At this point we have to take everything seriously and be certain as to who to vote. Any ideas anyone?

[Flipz]

And this is why I hate Coruscant.

It seems that there has already been much debate on whether we should vote or not. At this point we have to take everything seriously and be certain as to who to vote. Any ideas anyone?

"Unfortunately, there are still several of us who have yet to speak--and even more who have spoken without saying anything of substance. Until we can narrow down the field, it will be difficult to pick one target for our votes when the time comes."

[Brickdoctor]

...and I see that Euna had started to post opened her mouth and then logged off left the room and gone to sleep without responding to us.

[Flipz]

...and I see that Euna had started to post opened her mouth and then logged off left the room and gone to sleep without responding to us.

"I was just about to point that out, but then though better of it. I've been criticized in the past for pointing out those sorts of things, and didn't want to repeat my mistakes."

"I also am rather annoyed that, even after I spoke to everyone about the need to speak up, R2-D2 rolled into the room, stayed here silently for quite a while, and rolled right back out without saying anything. Speak up, people! We need you, R2-D2!"

[swils]

It is getting to be late midday, I'm sure everyone is asleep out sating their hungers before they commit to the coming trials we face within our temple. But yes, please, speak your minds (and be judged on your follies! ), let's keep things interesting at least until the voting begins!

[ADHO15]

Hmm I see there has been much discussion while I was meditating, but not much of it useful. I'm afraid I have nothing to contribute, but I feel that those who have been marked as 'suspicious' already by others have not earned a lack of trust from me. In my opinion, they seem like people who are trying to help and spark discussion rather than untrustworthy characters out to deliberately stir trouble. I know this is not particularly helpful, but those are my thoughts, and I don't think I could chose anyone who stands out as a worthy candidate for lynching at this time.

[Nightshroud99]

"I too read that story in the Archives, it is a happy fantasy but one I doubt we will see repeated, unfortunately."

"And indeed, perhaps I am jumping to conclusions, but if you recall my history, I have always been prone to doing such. I learned from the best. *cough*Hinckley*cough* "

"So, has anyone else observed any suspicious behavior today? I urge you, even if you have no specific suspicion, to step forth and make comment upon our dillemma. Any and all behavior is vital information, and until tomorrow will be our ONLY means of discerning the identities of the Sith scum."

You're quick to dismiss the accusations on yourself by changing the topic. But at the same time you seem to be trying a very pro-town game, so I am still not sure about you.

Sorry I am late to contribute in the discussion of this dreadful charity, I have been giving it much thought though. We must be quick and stay on target. Master Corobb ha been very quick to ask us minor jedi to tell him about ourselves, which 3-cpo say that may benefit the town. 3-cpo understood and helped. It could be Master Corobb is a sith and 3-CPO is also a sith trying to get master Corobb out of a sticky situation. It could be Master Corobb is sith and 3-CPO though his intentions were good. And it could be how 3-CPO say it is, Corobb is trying to start a dissuasion. Please not most of the above are just theorys and I am not making any serious accusations yet but we need to have our options clear to us

This isn't very useful in my opinion, but ok. In fact, although you are trying to be helpful (maybe) it sounds more like a deliberate tactic to confuse. Which, makes you a little more suspicious than other people right now.

But this is just an observation.

"Now, as something has come up in a discussion in private, I'd like to ask: does anyone expect any...extra insights from the Force during the Day today? If so, please contact me and/or someone you feel you can trust. I hope that my attempts to spark discussion have proved myself helpful and trustworthy, but if not I gladly offer myself up for scrutiny, I truly do have the best interests of the Temple, the Order, and the Republic at heart."

Hmm, on day one I think that really the only info people would have is their character details. Which, is kind of an odd thing to ask for right now when everyone is suspect imo.

Unless people are messaging others and role claiming already. Or just acting scummy behind the scenes, which would be rather daft.

[Tachyon]

Generally a commander would use day 1 to make stratagies and go over what people have been saying to deduce who's the infiltrators instead of throwing wild accusations.

[badboytje88]

Oh no, this is horrible! Master Ssiht, is it really possible that the Sith have influenced several members of the Order? It saddens me to think that any of our Jedi brethren would really betray us and go over to the Dark Side.

Why are you asking me? Why would you doubt Master Yoda's judgement.

May I also remind you guys that discussing tactics in public might not be the smartest move since everyone can hear what you say.

[JackJonespaw]

So, in other words, I might be Scum, and I might not be Scum, and Roron might be Scum, and Roron might not be Scum, and we might both be Scum, and we might both not be Scum, and you're not serious about any of it. Oh, yeah, that is helpful.

I had no idea that droids had sarcasm programmed into them. But your point is a good one. We can't randomly base accusations on just anyone based on discussion here, if not suspicous.

May I also remind you guys that discussing tactics in public might not be the smartest move since everyone can hear what you say.

I agree. It might be time for some conversations in private.

[Flipz]

Hmm, on day one I think that really the only info people would have is their character details. Which, is kind of an odd thing to ask for right now when everyone is suspect imo.

Unless people are messaging others and role claiming already. Or just acting scummy behind the scenes, which would be rather daft.

"Normally, yes, our insights from the Force would be limited to the nighttime hours, but in private the topic of day-time insights came up, and so I thought I'd address it. In any case, that was not the main point of that statement, the point is, if any of us can sense the motives of the others, I welcome their scrutiny, so that we may work together to root out the Sith in the days to come."

"Also, I must ask Master Yoda: there appears to have been an exceptionally long time in which the site was down time itself seemed to stand still. Will this affect the deadline for our voting in any way, or should we continue as normal?"

[Jedi master Brick]

...and I see that Euna had started to post opened her mouth and then logged off left the room and gone to sleep without responding to us.

"I was just about to point that out, but then though better of it. I've been criticized in the past for pointing out those sorts of things, and didn't want to repeat my mistakes."

"I also am rather annoyed that, even after I spoke to everyone about the need to speak up, R2-D2 rolled into the room, stayed here silently for quite a while, and rolled right back out without saying anything. Speak up, people! We need you, R2-D2!"

Sorry I was going to be late for work had other dutys. What I was doing was looking through possibiltys bases on actions so I am sorry if I caused confusion. I know this makes me a suspect on people list but I assure you I was just trying to analyse and look at how it could be. We have no solid evidence that anyone is scum so we must look at all the options and broaden our minds

[Nightshroud99]

"Normally, yes, our insights from the Force would be limited to the nighttime hours, but in private the topic of day-time insights came up, and so I thought I'd address it. In any case, that was not the main point of that statement, the point is, if any of us can sense the motives of the others, I welcome their scrutiny, so that we may work together to root out the Sith in the days to come."

Exactly my thoughts Master Corobb, and what I was doing. None of us can sit idly by and expect the sith to root themselves out; usually Day 1 is an easy day for most scum. As many people have yet to speak up, I hope they do soon and try to add something to this discussion as a whole.

"Also, I must ask Master Yoda: there appears to have been an exceptionally long time in which the site was down time itself seemed to stand still. Will this affect the deadline for our voting in any way, or should we continue as normal?"

I second this question.