Jedi master Brick Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I have to say, not voting today will make it worse
Brickdoctor Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I must confess myself a bit confused, Baby Doll. Are you saying that, Tomorrow, god will tell us publicly what your allegiance is, even if you're alive? I have to say, not voting today will make it worse We know. The rules of the situation don't say that voting is mandatory for no reason.
XimenaPaulina Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I must confess myself a bit confused, Baby Doll. Are you saying that, Tomorrow, god will tell us publicly what your allegiance is, even if you're alive? YES. That's why I'm confident saying all of these since I have nothing to hide and I can readily prove my innocence tomorrow. I could've waited until tomorrow, but I acted this early to "maximize" this and hoping this will somehow help us this early.
Brickdoctor Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 YES. That's why I'm confident saying all of these since I have nothing to hide and I can readily prove my innocence tomorrow. I could've waited until tomorrow, but I acted this early to "maximize" this and hoping this will somehow help us this early. I must say, that's certainly an unusual and unexpected revelation, at least in my (albeit, quite limited) experience. At this point in the situation, I don't see any reason not to trust you, especially since you'd be thrown on the chopping block with few, if any, second thoughts if your claims were disproved come Day 2.
XimenaPaulina Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I must say, that's certainly an unusual and unexpected revelation, at least in my (albeit, quite limited) experience. At this point in the situation, I don't see any reason not to trust you, especially since you'd be thrown on the chopping block with few, if any, second thoughts if your claims were disproved come Day 2. You should know by now that this dark city of Gotham has its own share of mysterious and unexpected twists. And there maybe some more depending on what others "can do". I simply did this with the hopes of rallying up the criminals this early since the more we know about each other the better for all of us in the long run. I know how hard it is to be uniformed and clueless in these early stages, not knowing who your could trust and who to turn to, that's why I'm stepping up to somehow give an avenue to those who'd like to say something privately, and act as a central organizer for all of us. I know this puts a HUGE target on my back, but I'm willing to pay the price if I don't make it out alive tomorrow, but I'm hoping I'll be making a difference for the overall good of the criminals.
def Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Well folks, I'm sorry I'm late to our little shindig, but now that I'm here, let the good times roll! And how exactly do we control who we vote for? The only organized block (that we know of) is organized against us, and at this point in time, they will have an easy time "controlling" the vote. I'm not saying we don't follow the obvious and logical procedure, and vote for someone who seems more traitorish then others, but at this time, an element of randomness might increase the chance of successfully rooting out the traitors among us, and could provide voting patterns that would prove informative in the future. I don't see why you think the agents care about the vote today. They're not going to care unless we luck into voting for them. If anything, say there are two people on the chopping block, they'll probably space their votes between the two. If it's a random vote, they won't care either way. Point being, they have no need to control the vote on day one. It's really better if they don't. Although it's true that these games books are not always the same, they do often follow a sort of 'balance'. Generally, around 1/4 to 1/5 of the people are scum. So five is a pretty reasonable guess.[/color] Again, what has me worried is how concretely he said it. Assuming this wasn't the real life situation it obviously is, were it a game, and hey, let's have fun and pretend it is... The criminal to agent+other ratio should be about 3:1... depending on the game we play. Meaning there should be a one in four chance of a successful lynch, meaning about three in four chance of one of the good bad guys. Still taking in all the baby dolls words. It's a super risky gambit for day one, so she's probably on the level... I'll be in touch, sweets
badboytje88 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Well what to do with Babydoll for now I have no reason to trust her, but I also have no reason not to trust her. Lets see what tomorrow might bring. Also Babydoll your first comment contradicts your second comment. In the first one (down below) you claim to not know what you are doing here. While in the second comment you exactly know what you are doing here. Not accusing you of anything, just pointing it out. Sheez, these bunch of bozos talk a lot, why do I even find myself in the company of these goons? All I wanted was to have my damned TV show back on air , and now I'm gonna be involved in some nuke business?? Finding these undercover agents will be a tough task for sure, especially in our first day as we've only gathered together just now, unless someone has a suspicious slip-up...
XimenaPaulina Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Well what to do with Babydoll for now I have no reason to trust her, but I also have no reason not to trust her. Lets see what tomorrow might bring. Fair enough, I understand that doubts will come my way since technically I'm still not confirmed as a criminal today. But if I do survive tomorrow and my allegiance is revealed, you'll know that I speak the truth and I see no reason why the other true criminals won't trust me from then on. Also Babydoll your first comment contradicts your second comment. In the first one (down below) you claim to not know what you are doing here. While in the second comment you exactly know what you are doing here. Not accusing you of anything, just pointing it out. The first statement was simply "acting" (read: playing in-character), while the second one was my "ok-let's-try-to-work-hard-for-the-good-of-the-town-wearing-my-game-face-on". BTW, I love your flowers, though I would have preferred them in bright pink.
Rumble Strike Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Credit to Baby Doll for having the chops to put herself in the firing line like that. Most un-criminal-like! That's exactly what we criminals need though, someone bold enough to try and take charge. I'm just surprised it's a former child star.
Tamamono Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Mr. Happy Head and I have been debating about this throughout the morning whether to tell this to you goonheads or not. But in the best interest of the criminals (town) and hoping that this could somehow help us in the long run, we have decided to make this revelation. When The Penguin and the Joker summoned me to join this, they know already that I am faithful and loyal to them and that I would never betray them, so they know 100% that I am NOT an undercover agent. Tomorrow, if I make it alive through the night, they will reveal to all of you that I am only a mere criminal like the most of you here. I know this is a bold "suicidal" move on my part, but here are the reasons why I'm doing this instead of just flying under the radar and being content in "surviving" the day: Wait, so you're saying that Penguin and Joker will confirm your affiliation tomorrow if you don't die? Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical. I have to say, not voting today will make it worse Indeed. In the rules it says that voting is mandatory, so there could very well be a penalty for not voting. YES. That's why I'm confident saying all of these since I have nothing to hide and I can readily prove my innocence tomorrow. I could've waited until tomorrow, but I acted this early to "maximize" this and hoping this will somehow help us this early. So you're basically role-claiming tree stump/innocent child (no offense )? Will you still be able to vote after they 'reveal' you? I don't see why you think the agents care about the vote today. They're not going to care unless we luck into voting for them. If anything, say there are two people on the chopping block, they'll probably space their votes between the two. If it's a random vote, they won't care either way. Point being, they have no need to control the vote on day one. It's really better if they don't. That's true. In my (also limited) experience, the scum usually don't try to influence the Day 1 vote very much, egg-cept when one of their own gets accused. Still taking in all the baby dolls words. It's a super risky gambit for day one, so she's probably on the level... I'll be in touch, sweets Yes, I have to admit, no scum who wasn't already on the chopping block would try something like this on Day 1.
Masked Builder Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I don't see why you think the agents care about the vote today. They're not going to care unless we luck into voting for them. If anything, say there are two people on the chopping block, they'll probably space their votes between the two. If it's a random vote, they won't care either way. Point being, they have no need to control the vote on day one. It's really better if they don't. Yes that does make sense.
Brickdoctor Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Indeed. In the rules it says that voting is mandatory, so there could very well be a penalty for not voting. Rule 14 says there is a 5-vote penalty for breaking one of the other rules on first offense, death on second offense.
Peanuts Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Only a split vote can provide a voting pattern. I wonder why no one has pointed out my apparent error. I am perfectly aware some of you don't deserve the attribute "homo sapiens", but there should be some brighter ones among you. To clarify, not only a split vote, but also a scum conviction can provide evidence. And I agree with the Creeper that the scum certainly won't influence the vote, unless they are afraid of a conviction in their disfavor. But I still think we should refrain from a conviction, we can easily tie the votes under the minimun required for a letal end to the day. I am very surprised about Baby Doll's revealment. I doubt she'd be stupid enough to invent something that can be proven wrong so easily, but I won't trust her completely until tomorrow. But if this is true, it will be a good chance for the town to organize our actions. While I have also read about those odds Scarface mentioned in the paper I read before, I never believed they were applicable but under ideal conditions. Also I would have assumed at least 6 rats among us, but of course I'm only guessing based on the evaluation of standard procedure of the GCPD and the aforesaid paper about similar situations. I'll have to check this number back, though. But yet this is a special situation, so the number of scum can be different.
Alopex Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Mr. Happy Head and I have been debating about this throughout the morning whether to tell this to you goonheads or not. But in the best interest of the criminals (town) and hoping that this could somehow help us in the long run, we have decided to make this revelation. When The Penguin and the Joker summoned me to join this, they know already that I am faithful and loyal to them and that I would never betray them, so they know 100% that I am NOT an undercover agent. Tomorrow, if I make it alive through the night, they will reveal to all of you that I am only a mere criminal like the most of you here. I know this is a bold "suicidal" move on my part, but here are the reasons why I'm doing this instead of just flying under the radar and being content in "surviving" the day: Hmm... This sounds a bit insane!!! I don't know if I can trust you or not (What do you say my darling Pudin'?!?), but I guess you would be really, really STUPID to lie about this since if it is not announced tomorrow, then you will have a LOT of explaining to do... I think she's probably telling the truth!!! The question of voting is still here... I agree with some of you that those traitors probably wont manipulate the first day vote. (Unless we are lucky and start voting for one of them day 1)
Tamamono Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Rule 14 says there is a 5-vote penalty for breaking one of the other rules on first offense, death on second offense. Yes, but we don't know if that applies to the voting. Usually, rule like that only come into effect when someone breaks one of the other rules.
Brickdoctor Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I wonder why no one has pointed out my apparent error. I am perfectly aware some of you don't deserve the attribute "homo sapiens", but there should be some brighter ones among you. To clarify, not only a split vote, but also a scum conviction can provide evidence. No need to call us ignorant; we're all busy here. I think any vote except a unanimous bandwagon can provide patterns; they just aren't as helpful or as easy to analyze. Yes, but we don't know if that applies to the voting. Usually, rule like that only come into effect when someone breaks one of the other rules. But one of the rules says that voting is mandatory.
Peanuts Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I think any vote except a unanimous bandwagon can provide patterns; they just aren't as helpful or as easy to analyze. And what kind of a vote do you try to achieve on day one? If you manage to get a conviction, you'll most likely get an aunanimous one. a conviction on Day 1, as much as I hate to admit it, is in the the favor of the scum. So why are you advocating a convcition on day 1 if you think it's scummy?
Brickdoctor Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 And what kind of a vote do you try to achieve on day one? If you manage to get a conviction, you'll most likely get an aunanimous one. I just realized that by 'spilt vote' you were referring to any non-unanimous conviction.
Tamamono Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 So why are you advocating a convcition on day 1 if you think it's scummy? I'm not advocating just 'any old conviction', I'm trying to get people to actually work on Day 1 for once. If we did that, we would have a much better chance of finding a scum.
TheBoyWonder Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Baby Dollssss Comments were bold. If she is lying, on day 2 if we did not get an allegiance or a scum reading,she would be convicted. If she is telling the truth, the scum would kill her. We have to vote soon, so we need to start thinking.
Peanuts Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I'm not advocating just 'any old conviction', I'm trying to get people to actually work on Day 1 for once. If we did that, we would have a much better chance of finding a scum. You're of course right, we shouldn't just sit around and wait for the day to end. That way we wouldn't be likely to gain any information at all by tomorrow. But right now we already have come forward a bit thanks to Baby Doll's reveal.
Brickdoctor Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 We have to vote soon, so we need to start thinking. That's what we're doing right now. You're of course right, we shouldn't just sit around and wait for the day to end. That way we wouldn't be likely to gain any information at all by tomorrow. But right now we already have come forward a bit thanks to Baby Doll's reveal. Agreed, though her revelation helps us trust her in private and adds some credibility to her public statements, but doesn't really help us towards Today's vote.
CMP Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 A bold move, Doll. But as Mask said, it doesn't particularly help in today's vote. That leaves us not much farther than when we started, in terms of who's getting lynched tonight, if we don't somehow decide not to.
Nightshroud99 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Baby Dollssss Comments were bold. If she is lying, on day 2 if we did not get an allegiance or a scum reading,she would be convicted. If she is telling the truth, the scum would kill her. Yeah her move was pretty bold, but at the moment it doesn't help us decide who we should vote for.
sok117 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 To be honest fellow criminals, I don't know what to make of the dolls insight. I've never heard of a host being able to confirm allegiance without... a lobotomy. So whats the dolls angle? Could she be telling the truth or a childish fib. Something is making her act the way she does, something thats giving her an edge, or a reason to have the conclousions that she has presented. May I ask Babydoll, does this identity confirmation have anything to do with your skill or action? Assuming there all unique, it seems logical that her identity is related to her ability.
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